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Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed

Jun. 2 at 10:20 p.m.
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London pulled a Leafs
Jun. 2 at 11:14 p.m.
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https://x.com/Ben_Dowsett/status/1797463272553374011?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Looks at the TOR....YOU COULDNT SCORE MORE THAN 1 ****ING PP GOAL

Guys right EDM literally is doing what TOR should have done if their stars got their **** together and had good special teams lul
Jun. 2 at 11:56 p.m.
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London pulled a Leafs


They were playing for OT and just lazily throwing the puck away.

Fuxking stupid. It's a championship level game you don't play for FUXKING OT.

Refs swallowed whistles because they were too scared of our PP but the loss was entirely self inflicted. I'm still pissed
Jun. 3 at 1:53 a.m.
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They were playing for OT and just lazily throwing the puck away.

Fuxking stupid. It's a championship level game you don't play for FUXKING OT.

Refs swallowed whistles because they were too scared of our PP but the loss was entirely self inflicted. I'm still pissed


Anyways the real question will Cowen play the entire season in TOR or will it be the 9 games then sent back

For me it all depends on if Bertuzzi comes back

As if u think about it Cowen-Matthews-Domi could work an entire season
Jun. 3 at 6:51 a.m.
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They were playing for OT and just lazily throwing the puck away.

Fuxking stupid. It's a championship level game you don't play for FUXKING OT.

Refs swallowed whistles because they were too scared of our PP but the loss was entirely self inflicted. I'm still pissed


That muffin of a clear attempt before the gwg was BRUTAL
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Jun. 3 at 7:15 a.m.
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That muffin of a clear attempt before the gwg was BRUTAL


They did it like 3 times to. I was screaming about it and ofc it burned us. Lost multiple faceoffs, couldn't get it out. Just Lazy play after lazy play. They stopped playing hockey and thought OT was a given.

Frankly it was an embarassing showing from most of the team. They owe Simpson an apology because he was PHENOMENAL. Only reason they were even in the game at all
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Jun. 3 at 7:30 a.m.
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Anyways the real question will Cowen play the entire season in TOR or will it be the 9 games then sent back

For me it all depends on if Bertuzzi comes back

As if u think about it Cowen-Matthews-Domi could work an entire season


I think Cowen could make Domi irrelevant, Bertuzzi is more of a grinder while Cowen is more of a playmaker. Having two playmakers with Matthews isn't wise.
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Jun. 3 at 9:01 a.m.
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The Leafs need puck movers and to get younger on the Blueline. Liljegren absolutely should be kept and I also think a more straight forward north south game would greatly benefit Liljegren. He is at his best when he goes in straight lines. Giving up on him now so we can sign some aging offensive guy like Klingberg would be so bad. Liljegren may be able to be signed for 3 years at 2.5 or so. That could be immensely valuable if he clicks under Berube.


This^

The Leafs struggles can be directly correlated to their lack of scoring and defence (something Tre pointed out) and the best part about those 2 issues are: They can be fixed at the same time...

Would love to see a defence of:
Rielly-Pesce
McCabe-Montour
Eddy/Benoit-Lilly
Eddy/Benoit

With the Shutdown pair of: McCabe-Pesce and the all out offensive pair is Rielly-Montour or Rielly-Lilly

In this day of NHL, offence is a 5 player thing, so all 3 lines can shutdown someone and all 3 lines can create offence...
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Jun. 3 at 9:38 a.m.
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Anyways the real question will Cowen play the entire season in TOR or will it be the 9 games then sent back

For me it all depends on if Bertuzzi comes back

As if u think about it Cowen-Matthews-Domi could work an entire season


I think something like (assuming Marner gets dealt for picks):
Bert-Matthews-Cowan
Knies-Domi-Nylander
McMann-JT-DeBrusk
Dewar-Kampf-Grebonkin
Reaves-Holmberg if can't afford Debrusk, fill Holmberg in as 3RW until TDL

Rielly-Pesce
McCabe-Montour
Eddy-Lilly
Benoit

Woll
Stolarz
Jun. 3 at 12:18 p.m.
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I made an ACGM with Marner not being moved and I'm pretty happy with it, this what the roster looked like and cap compliant on 22 man roster

Henrique - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Holmberg - Nylander
Knies - Tavares - Hoglander
Steeves - Dewar - Jarnkrok

Rielly - Walker
McCabe - Montour
Benoit - Korzcak
Kylington

Gustavsson
Woll
Murray

What do you think
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Jun. 3 at 12:36 p.m.
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Just going to put it out there now: Mitch Marner is not getting traded this offseason. Im so confident in this that I will change my profile picture to a clown for the entirety of next season if I'm wrong
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Jun. 3 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Just going to put it out there now: Mitch Marner is not getting traded this offseason. Im so confident in this that I will change my profile picture to a clown for the entirety of next season if I'm wrong


So were gonna let him walk next offseason for nothing

Management has learned....nothing
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Jun. 3 at 1:10 p.m.
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I made an ACGM with Marner not being moved and I'm pretty happy with it, this what the roster looked like and cap compliant on 22 man roster

Henrique - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Holmberg - Nylander
Knies - Tavares - Hoglander
Steeves - Dewar - Jarnkrok

Rielly - Walker
McCabe - Montour
Benoit - Korcak
Kylington

Gustavsson
Woll
Murray

What do you think


Not bad at all. Obviously not entirely happy but can't have everything considering the situation.
Jun. 3 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Just going to put it out there now: Mitch Marner is not getting traded this offseason. Im so confident in this that I will change my profile picture to a clown for the entirety of next season if I'm wrong


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So were gonna let him walk next offseason for nothing

Management has learned....nothing


The thing is, Marner will be in a contract year so as much as some of us want him traded, he's not going anywhere if he doesn't want to.

Why would he want to be traded? Contract year, probably wants to have another 90-100 point season so he can get the contract he wants. None of that is probably happening on a new team with new team mates and more importantly new line mates.

Not ideal, just is what it is.
Jun. 3 at 1:24 p.m.
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The thing is, Marner will be in a contract year so as much as some of us want him traded, he's not going anywhere if he doesn't want to.

Why would he want to be traded? Contract year, probably wants to have another 90-100 point season so he can get the contract he wants. None of that is probably happening on a new team with new team mates and more importantly new line mates.

Not ideal, just is what it is.


You tell him your not giving him the 8th year

This will get his reps to go into panic mode and go oh **** were gonna lose money

Brad then goes but if you agree to us doing a trade I will talk with said team about a sign and trade and get you that 8th year

Like to me if you can get him to agree to a sign and trade it ups the value of him, lets us get what we want and him get his money
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Jun. 3 at 2:11 p.m.
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The name of the idea is fitting but honestly it crosses off so many boxes

We get a young 3c who can PK

A top 4 LD who can QB PP 1 and is not afraid of point shots

A top 9 RW who can bat 25 goals and is on a good contract


Jarnkrok goes to Pitt for Nieto whose not expected to play this year and so LTIR/Burry/whatever just free up that cap space lul


FA

Domi and Bertuzzi extend on 5 year deals

Roy 5.75m x 6 years

Tanev 4m x 2 years

Talbot 2.8m x 1 year

Was at a crossroads with Holmberg vs. Stenlund but Holmberg has shown he can be similar if not better and so I kept him
Jun. 3 at 2:24 p.m.
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You tell him your not giving him the 8th year

This will get his reps to go into panic mode and go oh **** were gonna lose money

Brad then goes but if you agree to us doing a trade I will talk with said team about a sign and trade and get you that 8th year

Like to me if you can get him to agree to a sign and trade it ups the value of him, lets us get what we want and him get his money


Well I'm with you on that...but what Mr. God Complex has to figure out is how much is the 8th worth of value to him vs just staying and probably getting 90-100 points and just leaving.

If thinks going to a new team means guaranteeing himself a 90 point season, that's a big assumption.

Part of why he stays is because he probably wants to sign that big contract next July 1st and his agent is quite famous for that too. Guess we'll see.
Jun. 3 at 2:28 p.m.
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Well I'm with you on that...but what Mr. God Complex has to figure out is how much is the 8th worth of value to him vs just staying and probably getting 90-100 points and just leaving.

If thinks going to a new team means guaranteeing himself a 90 point season, that's a big assumption.

Part of why he stays is because he probably wants to sign that big contract next July 1st and his agent is quite famous for that too. Guess we'll see.


Well its gonna cost him at min 11.5m-12.5m and thats not pocket change and losing that on the 8th year especially if its bonus stuff will suck

He also has no idea how long he may play for an injury could happen and so that 8th year comes in handy lul

Like I think if you can get him to agree to a nice sign and trade where he gets his term and money but goes elsewhere and that teams okay with it cause they want him I think its a win win

As for TOR they can get more if he's coming with an extension to said team like Tkachuck

For Marner he gets a fresh start elsewhere and does not have to worry about his money lul
Jun. 3 at 2:33 p.m.
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Gonna jump on the bold prediction wagon despite my team above

Marner will be a VGK 2024-2025

They will make us a crazy offer and Brad will convince him to waive in a sign and trade
Jun. 3 at 3:18 p.m.
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I made an ACGM with Marner not being moved and I'm pretty happy with it, this what the roster looked like and cap compliant on 22 man roster

Henrique - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Holmberg - Nylander
Knies - Tavares - Hoglander
Steeves - Dewar - Jarnkrok

Rielly - Walker
McCabe - Montour
Benoit - Korcak
Kylington

Gustavsson
Woll
Murray

What do you think


Henrique is likely too expensive for a 35 year old. Walker will get 4+ from someone and will be a highly overpaid 3rd pair guy. Just keep Liljegren. Also Gustafson won't supplant Woll.

Why is Hoglander on the team and where is Robertson?
Jun. 3 at 5:35 p.m.
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The name of the idea is fitting but honestly it crosses off so many boxes

We get a young 3c who can PK

A top 4 LD who can QB PP 1 and is not afraid of point shots

A top 9 RW who can bat 25 goals and is on a good contract


Jarnkrok goes to Pitt for Nieto whose not expected to play this year and so LTIR/Burry/whatever just free up that cap space lul


FA

Domi and Bertuzzi extend on 5 year deals

Roy 5.75m x 6 years

Tanev 4m x 2 years

Talbot 2.8m x 1 year

Was at a crossroads with Holmberg vs. Stenlund but Holmberg has shown he can be similar if not better and so I kept him


Pass on Chychrun hard.
Give me picks and prospects in place of him.
Jun. 3 at 5:38 p.m.
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Pass on Chychrun hard.
Give me picks and prospects in place of him.


Picks and prospects should be the last thing TOR should be eying rn unless they are NHL ready rn or are already playing big minutes on their respected teams

We have a small window and are in win now mode

If were trading 90-100 point marner we want guys to slot in and play now not 2-3 years

And Chycrun is a fine player who will help with the teams PP as the one thing TOR has been begging for is a proper PP QB to lower Rielly to unit 2

https://twitter.com/BR_OpenIce/status/1751735760598815123

Imagine that at the point for us cause yea this guys 26, can play over 20mins, and in previous showings was a good 2-way guy on 2 meh teams.

Basically this trade kills 3 birds with 1 stone
Jun. 3 at 5:53 p.m.
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Henrique is likely too expensive for a 35 year old. Walker will get 4+ from someone and will be a highly overpaid 3rd pair guy. Just keep Liljegren. Also Gustafson won't supplant Woll.

Why is Hoglander on the team and where is Robertson?


Somehow I missed Henrique age.
Walker I feel 4 million will be fair, term will be the determining factor on where he signs.

I traded Liljegren for Hoglander, I think Liljegren time is over Toronto just like Sandin's.
His underlying numbers don't support extending and what he might get in money, and on top of that he just hasn't taken the prior steps to 1st or 2nd pair.

I was a huge Liljegren supporter and even I can see he doesn't fit anymore, smart move is hockey trade.

Robertson was traded for D man,Korzcak
Jun. 3 at 5:55 p.m.
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Picks and prospects should be the last thing TOR should be eying rn unless they are NHL ready rn or are already playing big minutes on their respected teams

We have a small window and are in win now mode

If were trading 90-100 point marner we want guys to slot in and play now not 2-3 years

And Chycrun is a fine player who will help with the teams PP as the one thing TOR has been begging for is a proper PP QB to lower Rielly to unit 2

https://twitter.com/BR_OpenIce/status/1751735760598815123

Imagine that at the point for us cause yea this guys 26, can play over 20mins, and in previous showings was a good 2-way guy on 2 meh teams.

Basically this trade kills 3 birds with 1 stone


I remain unconvinced by you that Chychrun is good add.
He screams bad move from top to bottom.

I'd rather use the money Montour.
Jun. 3 at 6:12 p.m.
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I remain unconvinced by you that Chychrun is good add.
He screams bad move from top to bottom.

I'd rather use the money Montour.


So you say Chycrun screams bad move top to bottom but would rather spend on the older Dman Montour who is by all accounts and recentcy bias a FA overpay mistake waiting to happen

Montour's 30, worse defensively and is gonna want 6.5-7.5m x 4-5 years no thanks


Smarter move IMO is to spend the money on the younger player whose better defensively and who has put up similar offensive results
 
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