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Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed

Jun. 3 at 6:21 p.m.
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So you say Chycrun screams bad move top to bottom but would rather spend on the older Dman Montour who is by all accounts and recentcy bias a FA overpay mistake waiting to happen

He's 30, worse defensively and is gonna want 6.5-7.5m x 4-5 years no thanks


Smarter move is to spend the money on the younger player whose better defensively and who has put up similar offensive results


Yeah I'll take chance on Montour, more proven to me and RD over LD.
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Jun. 3 at 6:30 p.m.
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Somehow I missed Henrique age.
Walker I feel 4 million will be fair, term will be the determining factor on where he signs.

I traded Liljegren for Hoglander, I think Liljegren time is over Toronto just like Sandin's.
His underlying numbers don't support extending and what he might get in money, and on top of that he just hasn't taken the prior steps to 1st or 2nd pair.

I was a huge Liljegren supporter and even I can see he doesn't fit anymore, smart move is hockey trade.

Robertson was traded for D man,Korzcak


A North south style of game will benefit Liljegren. He'll be cheap and he's only 25. You literally want to pay Walker 4+ and he's never been more than a 3rd pair defenceman before his age 29 season. It's too early to give up on Liljegren, who I will add is bigger than Walker as well.
Jun. 3 at 6:31 p.m.
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You tell him your not giving him the 8th year

This will get his reps to go into panic mode and go oh **** were gonna lose money

Brad then goes but if you agree to us doing a trade I will talk with said team about a sign and trade and get you that 8th year

Like to me if you can get him to agree to a sign and trade it ups the value of him, lets us get what we want and him get his money


What's to stop him from saying, okay tough guy. Enjoy losing me for nothing.
Jun. 3 at 6:33 p.m.
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Well its gonna cost him at min 11.5m-12.5m and thats not pocket change and losing that on the 8th year especially if its bonus stuff will suck

He also has no idea how long he may play for an injury could happen and so that 8th year comes in handy lul

Like I think if you can get him to agree to a nice sign and trade where he gets his term and money but goes elsewhere and that teams okay with it cause they want him I think its a win win

As for TOR they can get more if he's coming with an extension to said team like Tkachuck

For Marner he gets a fresh start elsewhere and does not have to worry about his money lul


If Marner decides he wants to go, he will come with an extension. Why would he waive to go somewhere and not want to sign there? The whole "1 year of Marner" B's people use to lower his value to essentially pennies on the dollar is nonsense.
Jun. 3 at 6:58 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 3 at 7:05 p.m.
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If Marner decides he wants to go, he will come with an extension. Why would he waive to go somewhere and not want to sign there? The whole "1 year of Marner" B's people use to lower his value to essentially pennies on the dollar is nonsense.


Happens to a lot of NHLers

They go sure I can try this out, get traded, you know what they werent for me im gonna explore FA

Look at some TDL moves

Guys waive go somewhere then in FA end up elsewhere
Jun. 3 at 6:59 p.m.
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What's to stop him from saying, okay tough guy. Enjoy losing me for nothing.


You really think he would be that petty to vilify himself more so not only in TOR but the rest of the NHL

Doing that will make other orgs look at him badly and ruin his rep especially with teammates
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Jun. 3 at 7:11 p.m.
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A North south style of game will benefit Liljegren. He'll be cheap and he's only 25. You literally want to pay Walker 4+ and he's never been more than a 3rd pair defenceman before his age 29 season. It's too early to give up on Liljegren, who I will add is bigger than Walker as well.


Timothy Liljegren's lack of physical power is a weakness other teams can and do easily exploit, and they do that primarily when he is trying to defend at the net-front.

How much more do you want that to hurt us?
And you want him in the top4 when he can so easily exploited? It's not his other abilities are elite like say Bouchard who you can over look for his defensive play.
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Jun. 3 at 7:30 p.m.
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Timothy Liljegren's lack of physical power is a weakness other teams can and do easily exploit, and they do that primarily when he is trying to defend at the net-front.

How much more do you want that to hurt us?
And you want him in the top4 when he can so easily exploited? It's not his other abilities are elite like say Bouchard who you can over look for his defensive play.


All I'm going to say about Lily is that 2 things are true about him.

1) He's getting shipped out
2) If he were on another team, Leafs fans would be begging for a D like him and offering insane trades
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Jun. 3 at 7:48 p.m.
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All I'm going to say about Lily is that 2 things are true about him.

1) He's getting shipped out
2) If he were on another team, Leafs fans would be begging for a D like him and offering insane trades


But where are slotting him at this point? He's gonna more than a 3rd pair but doesn't play physical enough to warrant more.
I don't think he plays well enough of 2 way game to warrant top 2 pair role.

Convince he can clear the net please, I beg you.
He doesn't do the things he does well good enough to ignore the weakness he has
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Jun. 3 at 7:49 p.m.
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All I'm going to say about Lily is that 2 things are true about him.

1) He's getting shipped out
2) If he were on another team, Leafs fans would be begging for a D like him and offering insane trades


You want a pick for him or a player coming back kind of like Bear for Foegele

For me if we can get Hoglander I would be pretty happy

As for if were gonna beg for someone like him idk. As if Brad has his way his upgrade's probs coming this summer as to who idk

But im fully expecting 2-3 new Dman on this blue line next year as to who idk. Now if they **** up the replacement then yep we could see that scenerio

The Dcore I showed in my deal with the devil would be my ideal offseason but VGK is in on the big fish again Theodore coming then extending would arguably make Liligren a second thought
Jun. 3 at 7:54 p.m.
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But where are slotting him at this point? He's gonna more than a 3rd pair but doesn't play physical enough to warrant more.
I don't think he plays well enough of 2 way game to warrant top 2 pair role.

Convince he can clear the net please, I beg you.
He doesn't do the things he does well good enough to ignore the weakness he has


Who said anything about finding him a spot? He's getting traded

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You want a pick for him or a player coming back kind of like Bear for Foegele

For me if we can get Hoglander I would be pretty happy

As for if were gonna beg for someone like him idk. As if Brad has his way his upgrade's probs coming this summer as to who idk

But im fully expecting 2-3 new Dman on this blue line next year as to who idk. Now if they **** up the replacement then yep we could see that scenerio

The Dcore I showed in my deal with the devil would be my ideal offseason but VGK is in on the big fish again Theodore coming then extending would arguably make Liligren a second thought


Depends honestly. I'm expecting something like:

Lily +23 to CHI for Jones (2 mil ret) and 67 (or 72)
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Jun. 3 at 7:56 p.m.
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Who said anything about finding him a spot? He's getting traded



Depends honestly. I'm expecting something like:

Lily +23 to CHI for Jones (2 mil ret) and 67 (or 72)


NGL I can also see that happening

Im in the mindset of 2 trades

Something like what we saw between EDM and CAR to where Liligren gets shipped out for some nice swiss army knife top 9 guy

OR...

He and Marner are packaged together in some blockbuster deal as to where idk but that would make for a crazy summer lul


But yea I think most of us can agree he's probs gone
Jun. 3 at 7:59 p.m.
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Im in the mindset of 2 trades

Something like what we saw between EDM and CAR to where Liligren gets shipped out for some nice top 9 forward

OR...

He and Marner are packaged together in some blockbuster deal as to where idk but that would make for a crazy summer lul


Carolina would be a team in on Lily.
Not sure they have things that help us in return though, unless we are adding 23 to get Necas - who I am ambivalent about
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Jun. 3 at 8:03 p.m.
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Carolina would be a team in on Lily.
Not sure they have things that help us in return though, unless we are adding 23 to get Necas - who I am ambivalent about


I wonder about Drury for Liligren

Drury to me feels like a breakout candidate and with some more mins could shine here as our 3c. He's good in the faceoff circle and I think there's something there


If not you could try for a blockbuster also involving Marner


If no blockbuster I wouldnt be opposed to something like Necas + Drury for 23 OA + Liligren as a tier below blockbuster trade
Jun. 3 at 8:14 p.m.
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You really think he would be that petty to vilify himself more so not only in TOR but the rest of the NHL

Doing that will make other orgs look at him badly and ruin his rep especially with teammates


Yes
Jun. 3 at 8:15 p.m.
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I wonder about Drury for Liligren

Drury to me feels like a breakout candidate and with some more mins could shine here as our 3c. He's good in the faceoff circle and I think there's something there


If not you could try for a blockbuster also involving Marner


If no blockbuster I wouldnt be opposed to something like Necas + Drury for 23 OA + Liligren as a tier below blockbuster trade


Not a chance Carolina agrees to that
Jun. 3 at 8:25 p.m.
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Not a chance Carolina agrees to that


Which one the one for one or the bigger one

Cause yea the last one probs is to much on our side

But I think the one for one was fair
Jun. 3 at 8:25 p.m.
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Which one the one for one or the bigger one

Cause yea the last one probs is to much on our side

But I think the one for one was fair


2nd
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Jun. 3 at 8:29 p.m.
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Yea thats fair

But yea if they up for it Drury for Liligren would be something I think could work for both sides
Jun. 3 at 8:31 p.m.
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Yes


Well sadly then as I said before he's in for a very rude awakening from the rest of the league as that kind of attitude will get yah nowhere especially here

We all heard Berube "its about the team" and if he hears thats what Marner's up to have fun in the pressbox

Actually maybe thats best as then he will get sick of it and ask out himself lul
Jun. 3 at 8:40 p.m.
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Yea thats fair

But yea if they up for it Drury for Liligren would be something I think could work for both sides


ehh
Jun. 3 at 8:41 p.m.
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ehh


Is that a good ehh or a bad ehh

Or just using the classic Canadian expression for maybe we go for something bigger
Jun. 3 at 9:04 p.m.
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Is that a good ehh or a bad ehh

Or just using the classic Canadian expression for maybe we go for something bigger


means meh. Not all that interested
Jun. 4 at 1:40 a.m.
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You really think he would be that petty to vilify himself more so not only in TOR but the rest of the NHL

Doing that will make other orgs look at him badly and ruin his rep especially with teammates


He's already shown he's petty. The worshipper comment pretty much shows how full of himself he really is.

Can't put anything passed him at this point.
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Jun. 4 at 1:42 a.m.
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He's already shown he's petty. The worshipper comment pretty much shows how full of himself he really is.

Can't put anything passed him at this point.


I think yes Marner has shown it but that would make it on a whole notha level that nobody not even his father or agent would want him going there as it would ruin him

IMO I think both sides will work together on a move but its not gonna be July 2nd on the dot

Would not surprise me if its August or September we see something
 
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