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Jun. 4 at 2:10 a.m.
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I think yes Marner has shown it but that would make it on a whole notha level that nobody not even his father or agent would want him going there as it would ruin him

IMO I think both sides will work together on a move but its not gonna be July 2nd on the dot

Would not surprise me if its August or September we see something


Marners camp just came out and said they won't be helping facilitate a trade.

So Uhh, yeah they are THAT petty
Jun. 4 at 2:23 a.m.
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Do you guys think NY would trade Schneider for Liljegren?
Jun. 4 at 7:23 a.m.
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Do you guys think NY would trade Schneider for Liljegren?


I wouldn't think so
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Jun. 4 at 7:26 a.m.
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Well sadly then as I said before he's in for a very rude awakening from the rest of the league as that kind of attitude will get yah nowhere especially here

We all heard Berube "its about the team" and if he hears thats what Marner's up to have fun in the pressbox

Actually maybe thats best as then he will get sick of it and ask out himself lul


You are the entire league eh? Your way is the only way
Jun. 4 at 7:29 a.m.
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Who said anything about finding him a spot? He's getting traded



Depends honestly. I'm expecting something like:

Lily +23 to CHI for Jones (2 mil ret) and 67 (or 72)


Jones?!?! What a joke
Jun. 4 at 12:34 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 4 at 12:42 p.m.
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Who said anything about finding him a spot? He's getting traded



Depends honestly. I'm expecting something like:

Lily +23 to CHI for Jones (2 mil ret) and 67 (or 72)


What do you think of Chatfield and where he can be slotted
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Jun. 4 at 12:42 p.m.
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Marners camp just came out and said they won't be helping facilitate a trade.

So Uhh, yeah they are THAT petty


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Jun. 4 at 1:12 p.m.
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Marners camp just came out and said they won't be helping facilitate a trade.

So Uhh, yeah they are THAT petty


Sit him in the pressbox the whole season or till he demands a trade

He wants to play that kind of game well lets play.

Has every opportunity to do good by TOR and himself and he just ****s it over not just once, not just twice, more times than I can count lul

Management should tell Berube to sit him till he relents and his reps agree to do a trade
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Jun. 4 at 2:57 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 4 at 6:44 p.m.
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Do you guys think NY would trade Schneider for Liljegren?


Rangers gonna hard pressed on cap, Schneider probably will cost less to sign so no.
I think Rangers will trade Lindgren, sometime back I was doing Lindgren for McCabe trades.
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Jun. 4 at 2:59 p.m.
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Who said anything about finding him a spot? He's getting traded



Depends honestly. I'm expecting something like:

Lily +23 to CHI for Jones (2 mil ret) and 67 (or 72)


Jones salary way to high to absorb.
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Jun. 4 at 5:07 p.m.
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Rangers gonna hard pressed on cap, Schneider probably will cost less to sign so no.
I think Rangers will Lindgren, sometime back I was doing Lindgren for McCabe trades.


Trading McCabe for Lindgren would be a bad move IMO


McCabe can play both sides and did well at it keeping him despite the age is the smarter move

Lindgren's success has been mainly due to who he's played with as Adam Fox is a good defender. Away from him results have been iffy
Jun. 4 at 5:18 p.m.
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Lane Lambert is being soon gonna be hired for an associate coach position with TML and Dean Chynoweth (PK coach) not expected to return

Meanwhile were still stuck with Boucher and Marner's camp has 0 desire to let him be traded and would rather have him play out the season and probs walk for nothing (0 desire to pay him 12-13m)

Yea the era of change is once again not gonna be on the core but everyone around them when will they ever learn lul



Now things can always change between now and July but if his camps tune does not change then Leafs need to play hardball. Sit him in that pressbox till he goes I want out
Jun. 4 at 6:45 p.m.
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I wouldn't think so


Personally, I think Lily is much better (and so does Keefe for that matter, 20 mins a night vs 16 this year)

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Jones?!?! What a joke


Directly linked in rumours with Trev, which is why I have him included here.
Besides he is still a decent NHL D, just not a #1 worth 9.5. I'd put him in a 2nd pair minute munching role with a puck mover no problem.

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What do you think of Chatfield and where he can be slotted


I know he exists lmao

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Jones salary way to high to absorb.


We are about to re orient a lot of money towards the D core. We can do it with Jones at 7.5. It basically puts a cap on our D at 7.5 aav.

Stepping into Trev's shoes, I'm thinking something like:

Mo-Roy
Zadorov-Jones
Benny-McCabe
Raifai

Expensive for sure, but I think it would be okay
Jun. 4 at 6:47 p.m.
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Lane Lambert is being soon gonna be hired for an associate coach position with TML and Dean Chynoweth (PK coach) not expected to return

Meanwhile were still stuck with Boucher and Marner's camp has 0 desire to let him be traded and would rather have him play out the season and probs walk for nothing (0 desire to pay him 12-13m)

Yea the era of change is once again not gonna be on the core but everyone around them when will they ever learn lul



Now things can always change between now and July but if his camps tune does not change then Leafs need to play hardball. Sit him in that pressbox till he goes I want out


This is such a horrible take. We still have no idea what lies in store for Boucher. This Marner hate is just ridiculous, what does this team benefit by trading him? Just ride out the last year of JTs deal, this isn't the end of the world. Marner is the second best player on this team. Trading him would be a ginormous mistake. Can the team benefit from trading away Mitch? Absolutely, but does trading away Mitcth guarantee we will be better? Not even remotely. In fact, it's more likely we become significantly worse. There are ways to build out this roster even with Mitch.
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Jun. 4 at 6:48 p.m.
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Personally, I think Lily is much better (and so does Keefe for that matter, 20 mins a night vs 16 this year)


I also think Lily is better as of right now. Still don't think the Rangers would do that trade though.
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Jun. 4 at 6:48 p.m.
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Lane Lambert is being soon gonna be hired for an associate coach position with TML and Dean Chynoweth (PK coach) not expected to return

Meanwhile were still stuck with Boucher and Marner's camp has 0 desire to let him be traded and would rather have him play out the season and probs walk for nothing (0 desire to pay him 12-13m)

Yea the era of change is once again not gonna be on the core but everyone around them when will they ever learn lul



Now things can always change between now and July but if his camps tune does not change then Leafs need to play hardball. Sit him in that pressbox till he goes I want out


I don't understand the thinking on having Boucher back.
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Jun. 4 at 6:50 p.m.
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This is such a horrible take. We still have no idea what lies in store for Boucher. This Marner hate is just ridiculous, what does this team benefit by trading him? Just ride out the last year of JTs deal, this isn't the end of the world. Marner is the second best player on this team. Trading him would be a ginormous mistake. Can the team benefit from trading away Mitch? Absolutely, but does trading away Mitcth guarantee we will be better? Not even remotely. In fact, it's more likely we become significantly worse. There are ways to build out this roster even with Mitch.


Allowing him to play out this final year without a contract (which is also supposedly what they want to do) is a bigger mistake.
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Jun. 4 at 6:52 p.m.
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Personally, I think Lily is much better (and so does Keefe for that matter, 20 mins a night vs 16 this year)



Directly linked in rumours with Trev, which is why I have him included here.
Besides he is still a decent NHL D, just not a #1 worth 9.5. I'd put him in a 2nd pair minute munching role with a puck mover no problem.



I know he exists lmao



We are about to re orient a lot of money towards the D core. We can do it with Jones at 7.5. It basically puts a cap on our D at 7.5 aav.

Stepping into Trev's shoes, I'm thinking something like:

Mo-Roy
Zadorov-Jones
Benny-McCabe
Raifai

Expensive for sure, but I think it would be okay


I'm worried that Roy is not 2 way and will end up like Graves 2.0.

The other issue with Jones is that analytics have pointed towards him being defensive black hole.
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Jun. 4 at 7:01 p.m.
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I'm worried that Roy is not 2 way and will end up like Graves 2.0.

The other issue with Jones is that analytics have pointed towards him being defensive black hole.


Roy is very physical compared to a guy like Pesce which is why I have him there. He's been putting up decent numbers for awhile so idk, could be okay

In terms of Jones, not really?
Dom has him at +1 OF (54%) and +3 DF (72%)
Market value of 5.6aav. Like that is a solid 2nd pair Dman, especially on a team as bad as Chicago
Jun. 4 at 7:35 p.m.
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This is such a horrible take. We still have no idea what lies in store for Boucher. This Marner hate is just ridiculous, what does this team benefit by trading him? Just ride out the last year of JTs deal, this isn't the end of the world. Marner is the second best player on this team. Trading him would be a ginormous mistake. Can the team benefit from trading away Mitch? Absolutely, but does trading away Mitcth guarantee we will be better? Not even remotely. In fact, it's more likely we become significantly worse. There are ways to build out this roster even with Mitch.


Cap flexibility to build a proper contender

Have we not figured this out 3 guys making double digits does not work and come next year unless something changes were gonna have 4

53% of our Cap is gonna be spend on 4 forwards.

We have enough of a sample for Marner to know he get yah to the playoffs but then fumbles in the big moments especially when things get physical

BOS series last season, FLA series, MTL series, CBJ series all taught us that


Trading him would not be a ginormous mistake thats the bad take here. Were so scared of change we would rather keep these guys and give them big fat contracts then try and trade them and explore something new

No no change is bad lets keep everyone around and give them more money despite the results

We are ****ED

As letting him play out this season and walk for nothing is what not to do 101 and after the Gaudreau situation Brad cannot let that happen again. He and the organization need to put pressure on Marner and his camp he does not want to waive fine have fun in the pressbox
Jun. 4 at 7:38 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Allowing him to play out this final year without a contract (which is also supposedly what they want to do) is a bigger mistake.


Yep were in a lose/lose situation rn with him unless his camp relents and goes alright lets discuss a potential trade

As its either okay 12.5-13m x 8 years or Im walking for nothing ****es

Basically its Gaudreau or Sundin 2.0
Jun. 4 at 8:16 p.m.
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Roy is very physical compared to a guy like Pesce which is why I have him there. He's been putting up decent numbers for awhile so idk, could be okay

In terms of Jones, not really?
Dom has him at +1 OF (54%) and +3 DF (72%)
Market value of 5.6aav. Like that is a solid 2nd pair Dman, especially on a team as bad as Chicago


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Roy is fine 5.5m x 6 years is fine
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Jun. 5 at 1:52 a.m.
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This is such a horrible take. We still have no idea what lies in store for Boucher. This Marner hate is just ridiculous, what does this team benefit by trading him? Just ride out the last year of JTs deal, this isn't the end of the world. Marner is the second best player on this team. Trading him would be a ginormous mistake. Can the team benefit from trading away Mitch? Absolutely, but does trading away Mitcth guarantee we will be better? Not even remotely. In fact, it's more likely we become significantly worse. There are ways to build out this roster even with Mitch.


You can view it as Marner hate or choose to accept that in the 7-8 years of Matthews, Marner and Nylander (JT too since he has a big cap hit) have not worked when it really matters.

I want Marner traded as long as it works for the team but as of right now Marner has all the leverage and so as much as I would like to see change via a Marner trade, it's not looking good.

Also for those who think that people are picking on Marner when the failures in the playoffs is a collective failure and not just on Marner, that's fine I can accept that but Marner is set to be a UFA soon so it's natural to see/want change there.

Let me ask you guys...if not Marner, then who? Tavares? Sure as long as he's willing to help the Leafs.

Nylander? Certainly not Matthews right?

How many more years of running this core back before we can call it insanity? It's a serious question, not just poking fun at anyone.
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Jun. 5 at 3:11 a.m.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that Seth Jones is this generations Dion Phaneuf.

Solid 2nd pair D getting paid #1 money.
Blackhawks fans are totally delusional about his value on here but I wonder what a Dion Phaneuf esq trade would look like for us to acquire Jones.

Man I'm just looking at Chicago's roster, they have so many bad contracts that need to be half retained in order to get moved. Just awful management over there.

Foligno, Dickenson, AA, Mrazek, etc

Also I've mentioned this before but I'd totally bring back Connor Brown on a league min deal next year

Also, William Nicholl might be worth a flyer with one of our 5th or 7th round picks. Upside bet like Julien was for the Jets last year
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Jun. 5 at 6:37 a.m.
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If we can pick up a 2nd round pick, I'd really like to draft Stian Solberg. Dude is a mean and intense SOB on the ice.
 
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