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Big Buch Trade

Created by: letsgoblues1967
Team: 2024-25 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: May 13, 2024
Published: May 13, 2024
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There are two concepts at work in this trade. First, Buchnevich is traded for 2 good prospects. A center, which the Blues sorely need, and a defensive prospect which the Blues will need in the future since the organization lacks depth at D prospects. BUF gets Buch which, in my view, would make them a force in the eastern conference immediately.

Also, the Blues trade their pick at 16 for BUF's pick number 11 and pay for it with their 2 second round picks. Salary is retained as a bonus for BUF.

I think this is a deal that helps both teams and is close to fairly valued.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
Trades
STL
  1. Novikov, Nikita
  2. Savoie, Matthew
  3. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. 2024 1st round pick (STL)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (STL)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$87,500,000$75,264,762$0$1,607,500$12,235,238
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
LW
RFA - 2
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$8,125,000$8,125,000
C, RW
UFA - 7
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$8,125,000$8,125,000
RW
UFA - 7
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$835,833$835,833
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$886,667$886,667 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$852,500$852,500
C
RFA - 2
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$870,000$870,000 (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$3,571,429$3,571,429
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
RW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6
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$775,000$775,000
G
RFA - 1
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$867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD
RFA
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$800,000$800,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1

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May 13 at 5:36 a.m.
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Seems like a lot for a rental
May 13 at 5:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Seems like a lot for a rental


BUF would have a year to sign him, at which point he is no longer a rental. What makes you think BUCH would hate Buffalo so much? They would be an excellent team, better than the Blues for sure and a legit cup contender.
May 13 at 5:49 a.m.
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BUF would have a year to sign him, at which point he is no longer a rental. What makes you think BUCH would hate Buffalo so much? They would be an excellent team, better than the Blues for sure and a legit cup contender.


Why are you putting words into my mouth? Whether he decides to sign an extension or not is irrelevant to his trade value.
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May 13 at 6:07 a.m.
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Quoting: letsgoblues1967
BUF would have a year to sign him, at which point he is no longer a rental. What makes you think BUCH would hate Buffalo so much? They would be an excellent team, better than the Blues for sure and a legit cup contender.

Still a rental…. It stops being a rental if there is a ready extension made before the trade. Also, now you want a lottery team to pay a top 10 draft pick in 2022 AND move down in the draft for an expiring top line forward with close to no playoff experience?
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May 13 at 6:13 a.m.
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Still a rental…. It stops being a rental if there is a ready extension made before the trade. Also, now you want a lottery team to pay a top 10 draft pick in 2022 AND move down in the draft for an expiring top line forward with close to no playoff experience?


It worked for the Blues when they did it for O'Reilly.
May 13 at 6:19 a.m.
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Quoting: letsgoblues1967
It worked for the Blues when they did it for O'Reilly.


He had 6 years left on his deal..
May 13 at 7:38 a.m.
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Quoting: letsgoblues1967
It worked for the Blues when they did it for O'Reilly.

Which time? When the Blues traded for him? And gave up less for ROR when he was signed for multiple years? Or when they traded him to Toronto and got way less than you expect to receive for Bush?
May 13 at 8:04 a.m.
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Quoting: letsgoblues1967
BUF would have a year to sign him, at which point he is no longer a rental. What makes you think BUCH would hate Buffalo so much? They would be an excellent team, better than the Blues for sure and a legit cup contender.


He has an NTC so well find out pretty quickly if he hates Buffalo or not
May 13 at 8:04 a.m.
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I'm okay with this price if theres an extension in place like a sign and trade. Also Ostlund is looking like the more well-rounded prospect than Savoie who is looking more offense focused. I could see STL being more interested in Ostlund personally. Thomas-Ostlund-Dvorsky is nasty down the middle going forward.
May 13 at 8:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Seems like a lot for a rental


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Why are you putting words into my mouth? Whether he decides to sign an extension or not is irrelevant to his trade value.


These two statements contradict themselves. Either it’s a lot to give up for a rental or there is relevancy to him having an extension…make up your mind
May 13 at 2:57 p.m.
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Mmmmm pass from buffalo
May 13 at 3:09 p.m.
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These two statements contradict themselves. Either it’s a lot to give up for a rental or there is relevancy to him having an extension…make up your mind


No those statements don't contradict eachother at all. Bunch has clearly not signed an extension so he is valued as a rental
May 13 at 3:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Chapee44
I'm okay with this price if theres an extension in place like a sign and trade. Also Ostlund is looking like the more well-rounded prospect than Savoie who is looking more offense focused. I could see STL being more interested in Ostlund personally. Thomas-Ostlund-Dvorsky is nasty down the middle going forward.


That's literally impossible as the draft is before July 1st. Also the only sign and trade in league history for a pending UFA was a 3rd for the expiring contract of Severson last year a few weeks before he hit the market. The only reason to ever have a player pre-signed prior to a trade is to get the 8th year of control.
May 13 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No those statements don't contradict eachother at all. Bunch has clearly not signed an extension so he is valued as a rental


Players can be traded with an extension as part of the arrangement. See PLD and Fiala trades. So yes that would be relevant to his value...
May 13 at 5:06 p.m.
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Players can be traded with an extension as part of the arrangement. See PLD and Fiala trades. So yes that would be relevant to his value...


PLD was traded pre-signed because Winnipeg was the only team that could sign him to an 8 year deal.

Fiala was literally signed to a new contract by LA so no.

Also Buchnevich is not allowed to sign an extension until July 1st and the draft is in June
May 13 at 5:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
PLD was traded pre-signed because Winnipeg was the only team that could sign him to an 8 year deal.

Fiala was literally signed to a new contract by LA so no.

Also Buchnevich is not allowed to sign an extension until July 1st and the draft is in June


An extension with the new team can be agreed to even if not signed prior to trade...happens all the time...Both Fiala and PLD were not going to LA unless they agreed prior...
May 13 at 5:42 p.m.
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An extension with the new team can be agreed to even if not signed prior to trade...happens all the time...Both Fiala and PLD were not going to LA unless they agreed prior...


PLD was signed before being traded. Just like with Tkachuk to Florida, Winnipeg was the only team that could offer PLD an 8 year contract due to the 2020 CBA rules where only the team that controls your rights at the deadline of the final year of your contract can offer you an 8 year extension.

Fiala was given permission to talk to LA about an extension prior to a trade. All that did was incentivize LA to make the trade more, him signing an extension after the trade was made did not change the value of the trade itself. He was also a pending RFA at the time of the trade

Due to the rules of the league Buchnevich is not allowed to negotiate with anyone but his own team prior to July 1st since he has not started the final year of his contract.
May 13 at 7:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
PLD was signed before being traded. Just like with Tkachuk to Florida, Winnipeg was the only team that could offer PLD an 8 year contract due to the 2020 CBA rules where only the team that controls your rights at the deadline of the final year of your contract can offer you an 8 year extension.

Fiala was given permission to talk to LA about an extension prior to a trade. All that did was incentivize LA to make the trade more, him signing an extension after the trade was made did not change the value of the trade itself. He was also a pending RFA at the time of the trade

Due to the rules of the league Buchnevich is not allowed to negotiate with anyone but his own team prior to July 1st since he has not started the final year of his contract.


Players negotiate with new teams before trade all the time. July 1st wouldn’t affect that. You think all free agents magically have their deals as soon as free agency opens?
May 13 at 7:10 p.m.
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Players negotiate with new teams before trade all the time. July 1st wouldn’t affect that. You think all free agents magically have their deals as soon as free agency opens?


How is this 1 year rule confusing to you? You cannot talk to anyone except your own team 1 year before you hit free agency. You cannot sign an extension until after you've started the final year of your contract. Once you are in that final year you can still only talk to your own team unless you are given permission to talk to other teams.

If your whole argument is based on players, teams, and agents breaking the rules of the league then how do you put that in a trade transaction? Every trade has to go through central registration.
May 13 at 7:53 p.m.
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How is this 1 year rule confusing to you? You cannot talk to anyone except your own team 1 year before you hit free agency. You cannot sign an extension until after you've started the final year of your contract. Once you are in that final year you can still only talk to your own team unless you are given permission to talk to other teams.

If your whole argument is based on players, teams, and agents breaking the rules of the league then how do you put that in a trade transaction? Every trade has to go through central registration.


How can you not comprehend that at the draft the Blues trade Buch to a team that he then has a prearranged salary extension that he signs on July 1st?
May 13 at 8:06 p.m.
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How can you not comprehend that at the draft the Blues trade Buch to a team that he then has a prearranged salary extension that he signs on July 1st?


So you are once again ignoring the rules of the league. Why would a team pay extra for this "prearranged extension" that they are negotiating with the player
May 13 at 8:13 p.m.
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How can you not comprehend that at the draft the Blues trade Buch to a team that he then has a prearranged salary extension that he signs on July 1st?


Actually how about this. Mitch Marner for Dvorsky + #16. Do you make that trade?
May 13 at 8:15 p.m.
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Actually how about this. Mitch Marner for Dvorsky + #16. Do you make that trade?


No - I wouldn’t trade #16 by itself for Marner. He’s not signing in STL and he’s already overpaid.

And according to your logic, an extension can’t be agreed to beforehand so wouldn’t want to trade for him regardless
May 13 at 8:17 p.m.
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No - I wouldn’t trade #16 by itself for Marner. He’s not signing in STL and he’s already overpaid


And how do you know that he won't sign in St. Louis? What if he has a "prearranged salary extension that he signs on July 1st?"
May 13 at 8:23 p.m.
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And how do you know that he won't sign in St. Louis? What if he has a "prearranged salary extension that he signs on July 1st?"


I think Marner might excel if he gets out of Toronto but it won’t be in STL. He’s also in the exact same contract situation as Buch so according to you, he can only be traded as a rental…which I bet if/when he gets traded there is already an extension in place.
 
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