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Replacing Val

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Team: 2024-25 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: May 14, 2024
Published: May 14, 2024
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Outside of MacK/Makar, Val is the most important player on the Avs roster. 73.8%Points with him in the lineup last 2 seasons. 50.9%Points without him. Have to find a way to replace him with a reliable 2 way wing.
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    FC - Utah takes a chance that a change of scenery and lower playoff expectations will help Val turn things around.
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    1. Marner, Mitchell
    2. Timmins, Conor
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    Marner will probably only waive for a contender and Toronto needs to retool the core. Avs need to find an elite 2way forward to replace Nichushkin in the event that Gabe can't return or isn't his normal self. Both players on expiring contracts.
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    May 14 at 1:06 p.m.
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    Don’t see Avs trading Rantanen ; leafs (if it even happens) are only moving Marner to free up cap to address / upgrade D corps. Doesn’t make sense on either side
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    May 14 at 1:08 p.m.
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    Gee, why the Avs trade the superior, cheaper Rantanen for Marner
    May 14 at 1:09 p.m.
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    You're probably going to lose more production making the Rantanen for Marner swap. They have the same PPG pace in the last 3-years but Rantanen is a better goal scorer. The change in chemistry and style might not translate well.
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    May 14 at 1:09 p.m.
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    The core of the trade is fair.

    I’m not sure Toronto does it though, simply based on wanting to spread the wealth of the team around. Seems like they may get away from idea of paying 4 players so much money
    May 14 at 1:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: SNipeSHowInc
    The core of the trade is fair.

    I’m not sure Toronto does it though, simply based on wanting to spread the wealth of the team around. Seems like they may get away from idea of paying 4 players so much money


    I don't think this is the route Toronto would go either. Honestly both teams would probably be smart to get away from that model and build more depth.
    May 14 at 1:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchJr
    Don’t see Avs trading Rantanen ; leafs (if it even happens) are only moving Marner to free up cap to address / upgrade D corps. Doesn’t make sense on either side


    If the Leafs want to shakeup their core, and not risk losing a Marner trade, it does make sense for them. Rantanen is a bigger Nylander in terms of being able to score and dish the puck but he's producing at the same rate as Marner or more. The Leafs would have no shortage of scoring, the PP would be lethal, and they would be guaranteed that they have a guy that can drive play on both lines. Doesn't hurt that he's a proven winner. What they lose in Marner's defensive capabilities would then have to be replaced with improving the bottom 6.

    Quoting: palhal
    Gee, why the Avs trade the superior, cheaper Rantanen for Marner


    They both need extension but it makes no sense for the AVS imo, other than the fact that they are replacing Nuke's defensive capabilities.
    May 14 at 1:23 p.m.
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    Ah yes, trade Rantenan for a guy who’s more expensive and inferior in every aspect of the game
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    May 14 at 1:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: GMBL
    If the Leafs want to shakeup their core, and not risk losing a Marner trade, it does make sense for them. Rantanen is a bigger Nylander in terms of being able to score and dish the puck but he's producing at the same rate as Marner or more. The Leafs would have no shortage of scoring, the PP would be lethal, and they would be guaranteed that they have a guy that can drive play on both lines. Doesn't hurt that he's a proven winner. What they lose in Marner's defensive capabilities would then have to be replaced with improving the bottom 6.



    They both need extension but it makes no sense for the AVS imo, other than the fact that they are replacing Nuke's defensive capabilities.


    Makes no sense; no one is denying Rantanen’s effectiveness - why I highly doubt the Avs trade him.
    But the Leafs only move Marner to change the balance of team & free up cap space to address d corps. They already have two guys that drive lines (Matthews & Nylander)
    May 14 at 1:31 p.m.
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    Edited May 14 at 1:44 p.m.
    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Ah yes, trade Rantenan for a guy who’s more expensive and inferior in every aspect of the game


    I think Rantanen is the superior player but Marner is a comparable player (they have the same production last 3-years and career-wise Marner is ahead). He's also objectively not inferior in every aspect of the game, he's better defensively and a better playmaker.
    May 14 at 1:36 p.m.
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    the avs are not trading rantanen. stop
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    May 14 at 1:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Ah yes, trade Rantenan for a guy who’s more expensive and inferior in every aspect of the game


    Rantanen is the better player. Hence why Toronto had to add. But Marner is a much better defensive wing. Something the Avs will be sorely lacking without Val - especially if Gabe isn't back to form. Going into the season relying on Lehky and LOC to be the best defensive wingers is asking them to have to outscore there problems even more than they already do.
    May 14 at 1:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: swissmontana
    the avs are not trading rantanen. stop


    Open to other ideas on how to replace Val's defensive acumen. Personally, I view what Val brings as more valuable to winning than what Mikko does. Love both, and in a perfect world, Val doesn't have any more off ice issues. But at this point, he can't be trusted.
    May 14 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchJr
    Makes no sense; no one is denying Rantanen’s effectiveness - why I highly doubt the Avs trade him.
    But the Leafs only move Marner to change the balance of team & free up cap space to address d corps. They already have two guys that drive lines (Matthews & Nylander)


    Leafs could trade Marner to change the balance of the team OR as part of a shakeup. So, if the Leafs go out there to try trading Marner for multiple pieces but selling him pennies on the dollars but have the chance to get Rantanen, it does make sense if they want to change their core. Or they could just sign Marner, and run it back and wait for Tavares' cap hit to drop,

    In other words if you have the options are:

    1) signing Marner
    2) trading him for Rantanen
    3) selling him for pennies on the dollar

    They should pick 1 or 2, and just be patient for a year. Trading Marner for Rantanen is similar to running back but no one is going to be upset because it is a change.

    If there is a 4th option available which is trading him fora quality RD and top 6F for example, then sure pick that.
    May 14 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: swissmontana
    the avs are not trading rantanen. stop


    Yes they are. This offseason is gonna be a big shake up. 2 back to back playoffs with disappointment. You got freaking landeskog uncertainty of his injury. Dude needs retire. He's not the same. Nuke is such a distraction he will be gone at TDL.

    Rantenen will be gone to bring back max value and to load better middle six players.
    May 14 at 1:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: bcooke
    Rantanen is the better player. Hence why Toronto had to add. But Marner is a much better defensive wing. Something the Avs will be sorely lacking without Val - especially if Gabe isn't back to form. Going into the season relying on Lehky and LOC to be the best defensive wingers is asking them to have to outscore there problems even more than they already do.


    Marner does have good defence yet for some reason doesn’t put it to its full use
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    May 14 at 1:46 p.m.
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    Yes they are. This offseason is gonna be a big shake up. 2 back to back playoffs with disappointment. You got freaking landeskog uncertainty of his injury. Dude needs retire. He's not the same. Nuke is such a distraction he will be gone at TDL.

    Rantenen will be gone to bring back max value and to load better middle six players.


    teams don't trade away top-10 players in their prime in this league unless there is some personal level of locker room toxicity requiring it. it is simply not happening.

    All your other points point to a team with either their captain coming back, or a significant amount of cap space available. Either is good.

    Just because this year doesn't seem to be our year doesn't make these kind of moves smart. Dallas is extremely good and has an insane number of rookie contracts helping them out.

    Step away from the keyboard, breathe in that colorado air, and look forward to next year.
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    May 14 at 1:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: GMBL
    Leafs could trade Marner to change the balance of the team OR as part of a shakeup. So, if the Leafs go out there to try trading Marner for multiple pieces but selling him pennies on the dollars but have the chance to get Rantanen, it does make sense if they want to change their core. Or they could just sign Marner, and run it back and wait for Tavares' cap hit to drop,

    In other words if you have the options are:

    1) signing Marner
    2) trading him for Rantanen
    3) selling him for pennies on the dollar

    They should pick 1 or 2, and just be patient for a year. Trading Marner for Rantanen is similar to running back but no one is going to be upset.

    If there is a 4th option available which is trading him fora quality RD and top 6F for example, then sure pick that.


    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt - maybe a gas leak or health issues or work priorities are interfering - but in what world are those the only 4 options 😂🤯🤦🏻?
    I’ll repeat - it’s far from certain the find a trading partner but if they do - imo at least - they will prioritize young, elc prospects + picks which frees up cap space to address priority needs at RHD. If they can obtain RHD as part of return on Marner trade, 👍
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    May 14 at 1:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: bcooke
    Open to other ideas on how to replace Val's defensive acumen. Personally, I view what Val brings as more valuable to winning than what Mikko does. Love both, and in a perfect world, Val doesn't have any more off ice issues. But at this point, he can't be trusted.


    there is 6mil available if they trade or terminate a contract for val, which seems most likely. I think they can probably sign a $6mil player with that $6mil.

    I like Marner but he is not going to be any better a player in denver than rantanen is. We are spoiled.
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    May 14 at 2:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: swissmontana
    teams don't trade away top-10 players in their prime in this league unless there is some personal level of locker room toxicity requiring it. it is simply not happening.

    All your other points point to a team with either their captain coming back, or a significant amount of cap space available. Either is good.

    Just because this year doesn't seem to be our year doesn't make these kind of moves smart. Dallas is extremely good and has an insane number of rookie contracts helping them out.

    Step away from the keyboard, breathe in that colorado air, and look forward to next year.


    It's highly unlikely that Rantanen is traded. Only way I see it as a possibility is if they get another top player in return that helps balance the roster. Marner is the only guy that I think meets the requirements to construct a trade around for the Avs. What you give up in goal scoring, you gain in shot suppression. Let MacK drive the offense, and give the Marner line a lot of defensive zone starts.

    Avs already have one of the top 2 centers in MacK, An elite top pair, and a solid young 2C (If they resign Mittlestadt). I liked Colton at 3C, so center depth isn't an issue. All that is missing is a Selke caliber forward for a well rounded core. Maybe Gabe can return to that, but I'm not willing to gamble on that yet. So I guess the question is, would you rather have an elite playmaking/goal scoring wing (Rantanen), or a Selke candidate (Marner).

    All that said, I don't think this happens because Toronto wouldn't want to just swap wings in their core. They would prefer to swap for a defenseman.
    May 14 at 2:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: swissmontana
    there is 6mil available if they trade or terminate a contract for val, which seems most likely. I think they can probably sign a $6mil player with that $6mil.

    I like Marner but he is not going to be any better a player in denver than rantanen is. We are spoiled.


    Best option for around $6 would probably be Teravainen. But I would view him as a downgrade from Val. Maybe a healthy Gabe plus a cheaper option similar to Teravainen would be the more likely option to fill what they need defensively.
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    May 14 at 2:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: bcooke
    It's highly unlikely that Rantanen is traded. Only way I see it as a possibility is if they get another top player in return that helps balance the roster. Marner is the only guy that I think meets the requirements to construct a trade around for the Avs. What you give up in goal scoring, you gain in shot suppression. Let MacK drive the offense, and give the Marner line a lot of defensive zone starts.

    Avs already have one of the top 2 centers in MacK, An elite top pair, and a solid young 2C (If they resign Mittlestadt). I liked Colton at 3C, so center depth isn't an issue. All that is missing is a Selke caliber forward for a well rounded core. Maybe Gabe can return to that, but I'm not willing to gamble on that yet. So I guess the question is, would you rather have an elite playmaking/goal scoring wing (Rantanen), or a Selke candidate (Marner).

    All that said, I don't think this happens because Toronto wouldn't want to just swap wings in their core. They would prefer to swap for a defenseman.


    Yep, and it assumes Marner works as well as Rantanen with the Avs team, systems and players. There's nothing to support that. There is good reason to believe that Mikko works well with Mack. A decent sample size.
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    May 14 at 2:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: bcooke
    Best option for around $6 would probably be Teravainen. But I would view him as a downgrade from Val. Maybe a healthy Gabe plus a cheaper option similar to Teravainen would be the more likely option to fill what they need defensively.


    I trust the front office to figure that out. Maybe there is a trade. Probably at least one! but it won't be rantanen unless he requests it, or the Avs know he won't extend with them. As he's won a cup here, and the number of Finns in the locker room only seems to grow, i doubt it.
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    May 14 at 2:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: swissmontana
    I trust the front office to figure that out. Maybe there is a trade. Probably at least one! but it won't be rantanen unless he requests it, or the Avs know he won't extend with them. As he's won a cup here, and the number of Finns in the locker room only seems to grow, i doubt it.


    Real question for me is what Mikko's extension looks like and if the front office thinks they can plan around that and Makar's pay raise coming.
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    May 14 at 2:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: bcooke
    Real question for me is what Mikko's extension looks like and if the front office thinks they can plan around that and Makar's pay raise coming.


    If that had been a concern, they simply would not have extended toews. They obviously have something cooking there.

    If Rantanen were to be traded, IF, bc it's NOT HAPPENING, the return would also probably include cap relief bc one of the player returning is probably on a rookie deal. Leo Carlsson kinda thing. Again, NOT HAPPENING.
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    May 14 at 2:54 p.m.
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    That make zero sense for COL
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