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      May 16 at 9:48 a.m.
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      I like saros but trading batherson for him is just going to create another, arguably bigger hole for us to fill. I think id rather roll the dice with Korpisalo and another G if thats the ask for saros
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      May 16 at 9:53 a.m.
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      Quoting: Borocop
      I like saros but trading batherson for him is just going to create another, arguably bigger hole for us to fill. I think id rather roll the dice with Korpisalo and another G if thats the ask for saros


      I'd do that trade but only if Saros agrees to a contract with the Sens right away.
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      May 16 at 9:54 a.m.
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      Does stamkos really play center or is he more of a winger? If center, would love to add him.

      Personally, would save the money on marchessault and just roll nyquist up there with forberg and ror. Evangelista would look good with stamkos and batherson or novak converted back to wing. Brunette is going to want to run a grinder 4th line.
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      May 16 at 10:20 a.m.
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      I'd do that trade but only if Saros agrees to a contract with the Sens right away.


      eesh i dont know. Theres something to be said about having a historically consistently good-great goalie, but I think largely you can also get by on a year-to-year basis without one. Given the number saros would be extending around, and the challenge to find a productive cost-effective replacement for batherson I think i would be pretty far out on this swap
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      May 16 at 10:35 a.m.
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      eesh i dont know. Theres something to be said about having a historically consistently good-great goalie, but I think largely you can also get by on a year-to-year basis without one. Given the number saros would be extending around, and the challenge to find a productive cost-effective replacement for batherson I think i would be pretty far out on this swap


      The Sens could trade Chychrun for Ehlers as a lot of people are suggesting here. That would replace Batherson.
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      May 16 at 10:52 a.m.
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      The Sens could trade Chychrun for Ehlers as a lot of people are suggesting here. That would replace Batherson.


      it would, but then we would also be looking at a pretty significant jump in salary. They could be able to make it work, I just think it would be tough to maintain flexibility
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      May 16 at 11:07 a.m.
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      Quoting: herzausstein
      Does stamkos really play center or is he more of a winger? If center, would love to add him.

      Personally, would save the money on marchessault and just roll nyquist up there with forberg and ror. Evangelista would look good with stamkos and batherson or novak converted back to wing. Brunette is going to want to run a grinder 4th line.


      100% agree with that. Save the extra money and retain Fabbro and run him in the top 4. I also don't think Molendyk makes the team immediately. I could be wrong, but I think Ufko has a higher change of making the team day one compared to Molendyk.

      Lines look more like

      Forberg - ROR - Nyquist
      Batherson - Stamkos - Evangelista
      L'Herueux - Novak - Tomasino
      Smith - Parssinen- SIssons

      Josi - Ufko
      McD - Fabbro
      Statsney - Schenn/Lauzon

      My only big concern is with that Stamkos contract, that is a lot of term and money to be giving someone in their mid 30's. Yeah, it is Stamkos, and he could pull a Crosby and deny the affects of age for the next 4 years, and if that happens, then great. But I'd be hesitant to give him that term especially when we have Svechkov waiting in MKE and looking pretty good for his first season in NA. Not to mention we would then have Fabbro, Evangelista, and Askarov to sign the next season. Maybe more like 6.5-7M if we are giving that much term, but I'd rather see Stamkos signed to a 2-3 year deal at 8M if we are giving him that much money.
      May 16 at 11:19 a.m.
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      100% agree with that. Save the extra money and retain Fabbro and run him in the top 4. I also don't think Molendyk makes the team immediately. I could be wrong, but I think Ufko has a higher change of making the team day one compared to Molendyk.

      Lines look more like

      Forberg - ROR - Nyquist
      Batherson - Stamkos - Evangelista
      L'Herueux - Novak - Tomasino
      Smith - Parssinen- SIssons

      Josi - Ufko
      McD - Fabbro
      Statsney - Schenn/Lauzon

      My only big concern is with that Stamkos contract, that is a lot of term and money to be giving someone in their mid 30's. Yeah, it is Stamkos, and he could pull a Crosby and deny the affects of age for the next 4 years, and if that happens, then great. But I'd be hesitant to give him that term especially when we have Svechkov waiting in MKE and looking pretty good for his first season in NA. Not to mention we would then have Fabbro, Evangelista, and Askarov to sign the next season. Maybe more like 6.5-7M if we are giving that much term, but I'd rather see Stamkos signed to a 2-3 year deal at 8M if we are giving him that much money.


      Personally I would go a bottom 6 of
      Novak- Parssinen- Tomasino
      L'Heureux - sissons - smith

      But I really dont like having novak at center for various reasons. He atleast needs a linemate that is competent at faceoffs if he is going to play the role of center. L'Heureux with sissons and smith could also be a very effective and annoying line to play against. Scoring potential and good around the boards.

      WRT stamkos - with nyquist leaving at the end of the season there is always the possibility that if svechkov proves himself stamkos could go back to wing. Pärssinen also may not pan out at center and sissons' contract is only 2 more seasons.

      I dont see fabbro sticking around long term. Two coaches in a row have diminished his role on the team. He seems to be taking a quick route out of town. Ufko may be on a quick route to the NHL if he keeps it up but I still wouldn't be surprised is Molendyk makes the team out of camp. His progression reminds me alot of Girard. At some point, it just becomes undeniable that he needs to move up.
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      May 16 at 11:19 a.m.
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      Quoting: herzausstein
      Does stamkos really play center or is he more of a winger? If center, would love to add him.

      Personally, would save the money on marchessault and just roll nyquist up there with forberg and ror. Evangelista would look good with stamkos and batherson or novak converted back to wing. Brunette is going to want to run a grinder 4th line.

      Orielly was playing wing a couple years before he came to us. I’m sure stamkos can still play center
      May 16 at 11:25 a.m.
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      100% agree with that. Save the extra money and retain Fabbro and run him in the top 4. I also don't think Molendyk makes the team immediately. I could be wrong, but I think Ufko has a higher change of making the team day one compared to Molendyk.

      Lines look more like

      Forberg - ROR - Nyquist
      Batherson - Stamkos - Evangelista
      L'Herueux - Novak - Tomasino
      Smith - Parssinen- SIssons

      Josi - Ufko
      McD - Fabbro
      Statsney - Schenn/Lauzon

      My only big concern is with that Stamkos contract, that is a lot of term and money to be giving someone in their mid 30's. Yeah, it is Stamkos, and he could pull a Crosby and deny the affects of age for the next 4 years, and if that happens, then great. But I'd be hesitant to give him that term especially when we have Svechkov waiting in MKE and looking pretty good for his first season in NA. Not to mention we would then have Fabbro, Evangelista, and Askarov to sign the next season. Maybe more like 6.5-7M if we are giving that much term, but I'd rather see Stamkos signed to a 2-3 year deal at 8M if we are giving him that much money.


      I went with molendyk because I believe if given the opportunity he would flourish in burnettes system. I agree we could save money by not signing march but I’m so sick of every year saying we need secondary scoring. I believe this solves that. Actually gives us 2 pretty good top lines
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      May 16 at 11:55 a.m.
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      I went with molendyk because I believe if given the opportunity he would flourish in burnettes system. I agree we could save money by not signing march but I’m so sick of every year saying we need secondary scoring. I believe this solves that. Actually gives us 2 pretty good top lines


      Thats very true, but in that case, would the additions of Stamkos and Batherson not be enough for that? With Evangelista playing with higher quality linemates I imagine his scoring touch will start to come out. You could also put Tomasino on that line instead and move Nyquist down to play with Novak to have both Tomasino and Evangelista playing in the top 6. Its more just a thought on saving money in order to do something about the right side because after McDonagh it looks, less than ideal. I'd personally rather use that to go sign another RD, especially if we are moving on from both Carrier and Fabbro.
      May 16 at 12:00 p.m.
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      Thats very true, but in that case, would the additions of Stamkos and Batherson not be enough for that? With Evangelista playing with higher quality linemates I imagine his scoring touch will start to come out. You could also put Tomasino on that line instead and move Nyquist down to play with Novak to have both Tomasino and Evangelista playing in the top 6. It’s more just a thought on saving money in order to do something about the right side because after McDonagh it looks, less than ideal. I'd personally rather use that to go sign another RD, especially if we are moving on from both Carrier and Fabbro.

      I would be good with that giving 2 of our ypung players top line minutes with top players and maybe sign zadarov instead march to make our defense better
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      May 16 at 12:13 p.m.
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      Quoting: herzausstein
      Personally I would go a bottom 6 of
      Novak- Parssinen- Tomasino
      L'Heureux - sissons - smith

      But I really dont like having novak at center for various reasons. He atleast needs a linemate that is competent at faceoffs if he is going to play the role of center. L'Heureux with sissons and smith could also be a very effective and annoying line to play against. Scoring potential and good around the boards.

      WRT stamkos - with nyquist leaving at the end of the season there is always the possibility that if svechkov proves himself stamkos could go back to wing. Pärssinen also may not pan out at center and sissons' contract is only 2 more seasons.

      I dont see fabbro sticking around long term. Two coaches in a row have diminished his role on the team. He seems to be taking a quick route out of town. Ufko may be on a quick route to the NHL if he keeps it up but I still wouldn't be surprised is Molendyk makes the team out of camp. His progression reminds me alot of Girard. At some point, it just becomes undeniable that he needs to move up.


      My only issue with that bottom 6 is I think that would a squandering of L'Heureux just in terms of ice time. He has been dominant in MKE, especially during the playoffs and has been playing on their top line. At a minimum I would want him on the 3rd line and give him looks in the top 6. Sure the line would be annoying, but I'd want L'Heurueux to be on the ice for more than 8-10 minutes a game. If we are just playing him on the 4th line I'd rather just let him develop in MKE for one more year and let Jankowski play on that line instead.

      Also those are also completely fair points regarding Stamkos. If Svechkov has another season like he just had in MKE, then I can't seem him not making the team in 25-26.
      May 16 at 12:57 p.m.
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      it would, but then we would also be looking at a pretty significant jump in salary. They could be able to make it work, I just think it would be tough to maintain flexibility


      I imagine Saros would get around what Hellebuyck got, so somewhere between $8-8.5 million. That's a lot but if you get Korpisalo off the books its not so bad.
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      I imagine Saros would get around what Hellebuyck got, so somewhere between $8-8.5 million. That's a lot but if you get Korpisalo off the books its not so bad.


      i think thats easier said than done though. Nobody is taking that deal unless it comes with the 7th overall pick, and if you buy him out that would just further compound the imminent cap crunch if we traded for saros and ehlers and extended both of them
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      May 16 at 1:01 p.m.
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      i think thats easier said than done though. Nobody is taking that deal unless it comes with the 7th overall pick, and if you buy him out that would just further compound the imminent cap crunch if we traded for saros and ehlers and extended both of them


      I'm not so sure about that. Teams probably view Korpisalo as a slightly below average 1B goalie. He obviously isn't worth his contract but I could see a middle of the pack team taking him on for not much more than what it costed to dump Matt Murray.
      May 16 at 1:04 p.m.
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      I'm not so sure about that. Teams probably view Korpisalo as a slightly below average 1B goalie. He obviously isn't worth his contract but I could see a middle of the pack team taking him on for not much more than what it costed to dump Matt Murray.


      With respect I completely disagree. Hes coming off a season where he was quite literally by a lot of metrics; the worst goalie in the NHL. 4x3 is a huge commitment for a 1B goalie anyways (which i think is his ceiling as a goalie not his floor), teams would just leverage the desire for the sens to rid ourselves of him against us and were probably coughing up a lot more to take him than is worth it imo. We nearly gave up the 10th pick to get rid of murray, and that was for a shorter contract with a way more established goalie.
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      With respect I completely disagree. Hes coming off a season where he was quite literally by a lot of metrics; the worst goalie in the NHL. 4x3 is a huge commitment for a 1B goalie anyways (which i think is his ceiling as a goalie not his floor), teams would just leverage the desire for the sens to rid ourselves of him against us and were probably coughing up a lot more to take him than is worth it imo. We nearly gave up the 10th pick to get rid of murray, and that was for a shorter contract with a way more established goalie.


      I definitely see your point. He was probably a bottom 3 goalie in the NHL this year but I think that some teams would think they can "fix him" with their superior defense and get him back to being an average goalie. Also, the goalie UFA market this year is pretty weak so that might help. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if teams demand a huge sweetener to take him.
      May 16 at 2:14 p.m.
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      I definitely see your point. He was probably a bottom 3 goalie in the NHL this year but I think that some teams would think they can "fix him" with their superior defense and get him back to being an average goalie. Also, the goalie UFA market this year is pretty weak so that might help. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if teams demand a huge sweetener to take him.


      We’ll take him off your hands for pinto lol
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      May 16 at 2:18 p.m.
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      We’ll take him off your hands for pinto lol


      I know you're joking lol but it's really not that big of a deal to pay $1.3 million in buyout money every year for Korpisalo.
      May 16 at 6:37 p.m.
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      OTT declines, Batherson has immensely more value than saros, and OTT aint trading Bath
      May 16 at 6:39 p.m.
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      The Sens could trade Chychrun for Ehlers as a lot of people are suggesting here. That would replace Batherson.


      awesome yes trade for another injury prone player, ya why dont OTT trade Stu for eichel and Brady for stone so now OTT top 6 can miss 50%+ of the season. Bath is tremendously more value than saros OTT aint trading Bathserson for ANYONE
      May 16 at 6:58 p.m.
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      My only issue with that bottom 6 is I think that would a squandering of L'Heureux just in terms of ice time. He has been dominant in MKE, especially during the playoffs and has been playing on their top line. At a minimum I would want him on the 3rd line and give him looks in the top 6. Sure the line would be annoying, but I'd want L'Heurueux to be on the ice for more than 8-10 minutes a game. If we are just playing him on the 4th line I'd rather just let him develop in MKE for one more year and let Jankowski play on that line instead.

      Also those are also completely fair points regarding Stamkos. If Svechkov has another season like he just had in MKE, then I can't seem him not making the team in 25-26.


      Wrt Icetime of that 4th line: I'd be willing to bet that 4th line would get more TOI than the 3rd line did. Sissons got the most TOI of any of the forwards in that group this past season and especially in the playoffs where Novak barely got 10 mins a game. Cole smith was just 1 min per game under what novak was getting in the regular season. At the very least, they'd probably be iced as a 3a/3b.

      Regular season TOI/game
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      Sissons - 16:34
      Novak - 14:12
      Parssinen - 14:36
      Tomasino - 12:34
      May 16 at 8:08 p.m.
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      awesome yes trade for another injury prone player, ya why dont OTT trade Stu for eichel and Brady for stone so now OTT top 6 can miss 50%+ of the season. Bath is tremendously more value than saros OTT aint trading Bathserson for ANYONE


      Ehlers played 82 games this year.

      And Saros definitely has more value as a player than Batherson.
      May 16 at 11:10 p.m.
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      I know you're joking lol but it's really not that big of a deal to pay $1.3 million in buyout money every year for Korpisalo.

      A guy can dream lol
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