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Created by: PLDGEY
Team: 2024-25 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: May 18, 2024
Published: May 18, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Logic;

Chychrun: ~1 year after being traded for 12OA + 2nd + 2nd, is now being traded for 17OA + 2nd + TVR

Ehlers: Pending UFA, who is maligned by the WPG managment. Friedman said at the TDL that WPG was looking for a speedy winger under cost control (Joseph), a cost controlled analytics darling (Brannstrom), a late 1st (you could ask for the WSH 1st[17OA vs 26OA], just give us a pick coming back) and Boucher, who might turn into something quite valuable, but likely wont. WPG fans, if you dont like this, could you think of a comparable player trade I could look at?

Toronto: Saw this in another ACGM (https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5145114), figured I would ~borrow it.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$4,000,000
2$925,000
2$925,000
2$2,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Catton, Berkly
3$925,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. van Riemsdyk, Trevor
  2. 2024 1st round pick (WSH)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (WSH)
2.
WPG
  1. Boucher, Tyler
  2. Brännström, Erik [RFA Rights]
  3. Joseph, Mathieu
  4. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
3.
OTT
  1. Liljegren, Timothy [RFA Rights]
TOR
  1. 2025 2nd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (FLA)
Buyouts
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$87,700,000$87,594,881$850,000$600,000$105,119
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 7
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 4
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 6
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C
RFA
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, C, LW
UFA
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$925,000$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167
LW
RFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,050,000$8,050,000
LD
UFA - 8
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
G
RFA
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$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
LD
RFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RD
RFA
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$805,000$805,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 1

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May 18 at 8:27 p.m.
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There's nothing there that is even slightly interesting for Winnipeg. Winnipeg would look for as close to a one for one hockey trade as possible.
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May 18 at 8:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
There's nothing there that is even slightly interesting for Winnipeg. Winnipeg would look for as close to a one for one hockey trade as possible.


Youre giving up a .75pt forward for a .5pt forward who is a year younger, half the price and a year longer, adding a 24yo defenceman, a 1st and a lottery ticket.

WPG didnt look for a 1 for 1 with PLD, they took a useful cheaper forward, a young analytically favoured piece and a draft pick. I figured they would be amenable to doing the same again.
May 18 at 8:34 p.m.
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May 18 at 8:39 p.m.
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I think the value is fine, quite the haul in fact. Imo, Jets already have plenty of middle six forwards and they need more size on blue line not less, the pick is nice. need high quality not quantity. When PLD happened Jets had less depth than they do now. I think they would get a more appealing deal elsewhere.
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May 18 at 8:42 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
Youre giving up a .75pt forward for a .5pt forward who is a year younger, half the price and a year longer, adding a 24yo defenceman, a 1st and a lottery ticket.

WPG didnt look for a 1 for 1 with PLD, they took a useful cheaper forward, a young analytically favoured piece and a draft pick. I figured they would be amenable to doing the same again.


Are you trying to sell one fluke career great by Joseph as him being a consistent 41 point or better player? Something he's never come close to doing?

A 24 YO defenseman that would be 9 or 10 on the depth chart?

A nothing prospect and a real late 1st.

Sounds exactly as I described it, nothing interesting.

This is about 25% of what PLD got in value and they were players the filled needs for the Jets, not random pieces you are looking to dump.
May 18 at 8:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Are you trying to sell one fluke career great by Joseph as him being a consistent 41 point or better player? Something he's never come close to doing?

A 24 YO defenseman that would be 9 or 10 on the depth chart?

A nothing prospect and a real late 1st.

Sounds exactly as I described it, nothing interesting.

This is about 25% of what PLD got in value and they were players the filled needs for the Jets, not random pieces you are looking to dump.


LOL youve got some dramatically inflated value of your own players if you think Brannstrom would be 9th on your chart.

As far as Joseph, a year ago was the blip, 2 of the last 3 he has been that player. He has almost the exact same production as Iaffalo and similarly didnt get his crack until he was 24

This is closer to 50% the value that PLD got, and thats about what you should expect for an older player who has less value. As far as *need*, ive mentioned the stated desire by Freidman.
May 18 at 9:09 p.m.
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I think the value is fine, quite the haul in fact. Imo, Jets already have plenty of middle six forwards and they need more size on blue line not less, the pick is nice. need high quality not quantity. When PLD happened Jets had less depth than they do now. I think they would get a more appealing deal elsewhere.


Very fair.

I think Joseph would safely come in below Schiefele, Connor, Vilardi, Perfetti, Nino and Lowry, but would probably be the 7th or 8th best forward on your team, but he would be your 4th youngest forward.

My thought process that turning an expiring 3rd best forward on your team into a cheaper 7th best + late 1st (which as I said, you could turn into 17OA) + A defenseman who would be your youngest NHL D, who has more than 250 games (more than Samberg or Stanley, who are older, Hes an NHL pro) would be acceptable.

You could take that 1st and use it to upgrade somewhere
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May 18 at 9:37 p.m.
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Edited May 18 at 11:08 p.m.
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LOL youve got some dramatically inflated value of your own players if you think Brannstrom would be 9th on your chart.

As far as Joseph, a year ago was the blip, 2 of the last 3 he has been that player. He has almost the exact same production as Iaffalo and similarly didnt get his crack until he was 24

This is closer to 50% the value that PLD got, and thats about what you should expect for an older player who has less value. As far as *need*, ive mentioned the stated desire by Freidman.


Lol 50% awesome face. You're got a heavily biased and over inflated opinion on replacement level and 12/13th forwards. I think you'll find that those types of players don't have the value you think they do.

If you believe that will get you a top 6 forward, have fun with it, but expect a lot of get losts.

Anyways, Ehlers won't be traded for a low end quantity package, so we can leave it there.
May 18 at 11:07 p.m.
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leafs accept
May 18 at 11:16 p.m.
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Leafs accept!
May 19 at 12:30 a.m.
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I’m going to suggest that Friedman doesn’t know jack as we have Perfetti, Lambert, McRoarty, Barlow, Chibrikov that we already need to make room for. Bring in another winger is the last thing we’d need. In fact I think we are probably looking to move Iafello as well.

Kevin Fiala trade to the kings for Faber and 19 oa would be a decent example. Debrincat trades and Dach, although traded at the draft don’t feel like as good of fits.

The analytics and puck transition numbers will be what makes team covet Ehlers. With top line utilization and pp1 usage he easily goes above a point per game.

Maybe a sign and trade a la Matt Tkachuk could also be an option to maximize the return. I would prefer to keep as a rental then take the proposed return.
May 19 at 12:51 a.m.
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I’m going to suggest that Friedman doesn’t know jack as we have Perfetti, Lambert, McRoarty, Barlow, Chibrikov that we already need to make room for. Bring in another winger is the last thing we’d need. In fact I think we are probably looking to move Iafello as well.

Kevin Fiala trade to the kings for Faber and 19 oa would be a decent example. Debrincat trades and Dach, although traded at the draft don’t feel like as good of fits.

The analytics and puck transition numbers will be what makes team covet Ehlers. With top line utilization and pp1 usage he easily goes above a point per game.

Maybe a sign and trade a la Matt Tkachuk could also be an option to maximize the return. I would prefer to keep as a rental then take the proposed return.


I think DeBrincat and Fiala were younger, better players without the injury history, but thanks for insight from a WPG fan.

How do you reconcile how WPG fans feel about him, and his poor usage/deployment by the managment?
May 19 at 12:55 a.m.
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Lol 50% awesome face. You're got a heavily biased and over inflated opinion on replacement level and 12/13th forwards. I think you'll find that those types of players don't have the value you think they do.

If you believe that will get you a top 6 forward, have fun with it, but expect a lot of get losts.

Anyways, Ehlers won't be traded for a low end quantity package, so we can leave it there.


Sorry, I just went to your ACGMs to see if I could gain a bit of insight about how you value players....

11 post per day, 1 ACGM years ago, in which you did nothing.

Dont know why I was even engaging with you.
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May 19 at 1:04 a.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
I think DeBrincat and Fiala were younger, better players without the injury history, but thanks for insight from a WPG fan.

How do you reconcile how WPG fans feel about him, and his poor usage/deployment by the managment?


To clarify it is utilization by dinosaur coaches, not management. When Kyle Connor got hurt this season Ehlers, Scheif Villardi was one of the best if not the best line in hockey. Kyle Connor gets healthy and coaches refuse to split him and 55 up. Ehlers despite finally getting his chance and putting up elite results still gets demoted… which I feel was the straw that would make him want to leave. I know I would.

We can’t explain why 81 and 55 always have to play together as their results 5 vs 5 aren’t good… unless they play with Ehlers… then they are.

I assume promises were made to Villardi to sign a show me, well staple you to 55 all year and then go long term this offseason.
May 19 at 8:55 a.m.
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I think the trade packages are close - but to the wrong teams. Jets would prefer Chychrun - a 1 for 1 with Ehlers isn't likely far off. Then to the Caps send Branny, Joseph, BOS 1st for TVR, WSH 1st.
May 19 at 3:10 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
Very fair.

I think Joseph would safely come in below Schiefele, Connor, Vilardi, Perfetti, Nino and Lowry, but would probably be the 7th or 8th best forward on your team, but he would be your 4th youngest forward.

My thought process that turning an expiring 3rd best forward on your team into a cheaper 7th best + late 1st (which as I said, you could turn into 17OA) + A defenseman who would be your youngest NHL D, who has more than 250 games (more than Samberg or Stanley, who are older, Hes an NHL pro) would be acceptable.

You could take that 1st and use it to upgrade somewhere


You are not wrong. I suppose if this was the way it went there would likely be some disappointment amongst Jets nation, myself included. I personally hope they keep him and he signs an extension here but i understand why he would want to move on and dont blame him.
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May 19 at 3:13 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
Sorry, I just went to your ACGMs to see if I could gain a bit of insight about how you value players....

11 post per day, 1 ACGM years ago, in which you did nothing.

Dont know why I was even engaging with you.


Windjammer likens himself to be the gaurdian of all Jets trades. He (according to him) has the only opinion that matters. Rarely puts himself out there.
 
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