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What is Marners Value

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What is Marners value considering the circumstances?

Marner has a full NMC so he decides where he goes which will almost certainly be a playoff team which narrows it down. Alongside that a lot of playoff teams need to shed cap to re sign multiple players not gain and the marner trade would involve gaining.

His agent is also advising him to not sign any extension so they can see what his value is in free agency. While this could change it is definitely a consideration.

Marners trade value ideally should be high but with these factors it definitely decreases it but by how much ? The way I see it is the leafs will not exactly win the Marner trade but the value in it for them would to gain solid roster players that builds strong depth and to gain salary cap that you could use to improve the team ( EX : adding a top right sided D man )

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May 19 at 12:28 p.m.
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MUCH lower than leafs fans thinks it is
May 19 at 12:28 p.m.
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Lindholm got the Flames a 1st, 4th or 3rd, top 6 winger, high ranked prospect and low ranked prospect to a competing team.
Marner should get a little more, maybe 2 1st rounders instead of 1 or a very high end prospect, the problem is most teams with very high end prospects and or multiple 1st rounders aren't competitive and it wouldn't make sense for them to trade for Marner unless and extention was in place before the trade.
Most teams that are looking to trade for Marner also don't have the cap space.
May 19 at 12:31 p.m.
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His contract size and lack of success may result in a softer return than most think. If the Leafs can get a solid NHL'r, a good prospect and a first round pick I think that would be a win.
May 19 at 12:31 p.m.
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A good D man, middle 6 forward, 2nd rounder.

Or

A good goalie, top 4 D man

Or

A solid roster player, good prospect, and a first

They won’t trade him just to get rid of him. They will do whatever makes them better. If there isn’t a trade that actually pays for what Marner is worth they won’t trade him
May 19 at 12:34 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Lindholm got the Flames a 1st, 4th or 3rd, top 6 winger, high ranked prospect and low ranked prospect to a competing team.
Marner should get a little more, maybe 2 1st rounders instead of 1 or a very high end prospect, the problem is most teams with very high end prospects and or multiple 1st rounders aren't competitive and it wouldn't make sense for them to trade for Marner unless and extention was in place before the trade.
Most teams that are looking to trade for Marner also don't have the cap space.


I dont agree. Lindholm's salary at the time was around $5M if memory serves, making it possible for multiple teams to have interest, and he's a center. Marner at $10M+ will mean far fewer teams that will be able to take on that size of salary.
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May 19 at 12:36 p.m.
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Depends on 3 factors:

How many teams are on a potential trade list. The more teams the better value, less teams equals less trade value.

If a contract extension is already included, obviously more trade value if it's a sign and trade.

And if a cash dump player is involved from the other team. Teams that are tight against the cap will not offer good value unless the Leafs take back a "bad" contract.
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May 19 at 12:38 p.m.
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In reality, pretty low for a player of his level unless the perfect situation arises.

The Leafs won't trade him for scrap and he can make it really difficult on us to trade him using his NMC. Obviously he is a top winger in the league but he controls his destiny here. He could end up one of the most hated athletes in Toronto sport history if he makes it difficult for us to move him and then leave in FA. I don't believe that will happen but I'm operating under the assumption that he plays his hand that he does not want to leave here, submits a trade list that make it difficult to trade him and then signs an extension at some point.

The time to trade him was last year if you're in the boat of getting rid of him. That ship has most likely sailed. I could potentially see options with VGK, WPG, PHI, NSH among others but I'd label them as longshots at best.
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May 19 at 12:39 p.m.
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This is capfriendly, Marner is a cap dump. Are you just looking for other leaf haters to slag Marner with or are you hoping leaf fans come on here so you can slag them yourself?
May 19 at 12:39 p.m.
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MUCH lower than leafs fans thinks it is


He's a cap dump eh?
May 19 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Lindholm got the Flames a 1st, 4th or 3rd, top 6 winger, high ranked prospect and low ranked prospect to a competing team.
Marner should get a little more, maybe 2 1st rounders instead of 1 or a very high end prospect, the problem is most teams with very high end prospects and or multiple 1st rounders aren't competitive and it wouldn't make sense for them to trade for Marner unless and extention was in place before the trade.
Most teams that are looking to trade for Marner also don't have the cap space.


A little more? A decent 2C rental has far less value than a 27 year old top 5 RW.
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May 19 at 12:41 p.m.
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His contract size and lack of success may result in a softer return than most think. If the Leafs can get a solid NHL'r, a good prospect and a first round pick I think that would be a win.


This is the rationalization for every chump on here dying to see the Leafs get screwed. Make up whatever nonsense you can to make your dream a reality eh?
May 19 at 12:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Dickie_Dunn
I dont agree. Lindholm's salary at the time was around $5M if memory serves, making it possible for multiple teams to have interest, and he's a center. Marner at $10M+ will mean far fewer teams that will be able to take on that size of salary.


A team could theoretically have him at 3m ish if they really wanted him with salary retentions but the Leafs would have to be longshots to make the playoffs for that situation to come up.
May 19 at 12:42 p.m.
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A good D man, middle 6 forward, 2nd rounder.

Or

A good goalie, top 4 D man

Or

A solid roster player, good prospect, and a first

They won’t trade him just to get rid of him. They will do whatever makes them better. If there isn’t a trade that actually pays for what Marner is worth they won’t trade him


All 3 of those options are getting rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him. Nothing you mentioned is worth a top 5 player at his position.

If the Leafs trade Marner, they better get a 24-27 year old top pair defenceman. Or a younger forward with untapped potential still. And more in addition.
May 19 at 12:45 p.m.
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In reality, pretty low for a player of his level unless the perfect situation arises.

The Leafs won't trade him for scrap and he can make it really difficult on us to trade him using his NMC. Obviously he is a top winger in the league but he controls his destiny here. He could end up one of the most hated athletes in Toronto sport history if he makes it difficult for us to move him and then leave in FA. I don't believe that will happen but I'm operating under the assumption that he plays his hand that he does not want to leave here, submits a trade list that make it difficult to trade him and then signs an extension at some point.

The time to trade him was last year if you're in the boat of getting rid of him. That ship has most likely sailed. I could potentially see options with VGK, WPG, PHI, NSH among others but I'd label them as longshots at best.


This is the way leaf fans think, or at least too many of us. If Marner wants to stay and refuses a trade and then Treliving lets him walk for nothing to save cap, Marner will be hated. Not Treliving for bungling the situation.

Willy is hated by many for taking 11.5 when Treliving could have had him for 10 before the season started but wanted to play hardball. Treliving sucks, he's going to ruin the Leafs.
May 19 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
This is capfriendly, Marner is a cap dump. Are you just looking for other leaf haters to slag Marner with or are you hoping leaf fans come on here so you can slag them yourself?



Lmao I’m actually I really big fan of Marner love the guy. I just wanted to hear others opinions
May 19 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Dickie_Dunn
I dont agree. Lindholm's salary at the time was around $5M if memory serves, making it possible for multiple teams to have interest, and he's a center. Marner at $10M+ will mean far fewer teams that will be able to take on that size of salary.


I mean Lindholm is a 2C or Fringe 1C, Marner is a top 5 at worst top 10 winger and playmaker in the NHL.

I hate the Leafs doesn't change the fact that he's nasty. His contract is an issue but trading in the offseason would mean teams have time to fix their salary cap if they went after him
May 19 at 12:49 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
A little more? A decent 2C rental has far less value than a 27 year old top 5 RW.


His salary is too hard to move so it lowers it
May 19 at 12:53 p.m.
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Marner is going to fetch a haul considering what PLD and Tkachuk got (both wanted 3-4 teams and still got great returns). The Leafs won’t move him if they don’t feel they get significantly better IMO. They’d probably want a few younger pieces with high upside and draft capital along with a solid roster player or two. Superstar forwards don’t grow on trees
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May 19 at 1:04 p.m.
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Marner is going to fetch a haul considering what PLD and Tkachuk got (both wanted 3-4 teams and still got great returns). The Leafs won’t move him if they don’t feel they get significantly better IMO. They’d probably want a few younger pieces with high upside and draft capital along with a solid roster player or two. Superstar forwards don’t grow on trees


That’s the part that makes this very complicated and why fans are up in arms about it. Because you’re not wrong PLD got a lot for him and superstars like marner don’t grow on trees. But at the same time the PLD contract wise that’s easier to deal with than a 11M contract right now and LA seemed desperate to add a young C. But I agree 100% they shouldn’t trade him just to trade him
May 19 at 1:21 p.m.
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I'm actually pretty surprised there hasn't been more name calling considering the thread topic lol. With the one obvious exception, this has been a good discussion thread.

I keep seeing a lot of articles on this, all of which say the challenge of Marner's contract and his agent recommendations will likely hurt his value. That being said, I could see fringe playoff teams needing starpower being open to trading for him. Seattle, for example, may be interested and offer Wright, Larsson, and a first. At least, that's what I recall a sportnet writer suggesting.
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May 19 at 1:30 p.m.
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Maybe Marner won't waive till the TDL. Double retention at about 2.75M cap hit will get a better than nothing return. Going to a true cup contender might be something he does if he knows the leafs aren't going to re-sign him. JT might do the exact same thing. Leafs aren't a contender next season they still have no room to make the upgrades they need. Willie and Matthews raises are over the cap increase so what do they really have to work with.
May 19 at 2:05 p.m.
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I'm actually pretty surprised there hasn't been more name calling considering the thread topic lol. With the one obvious exception, this has been a good discussion thread.

I keep seeing a lot of articles on this, all of which say the challenge of Marner's contract and his agent recommendations will likely hurt his value. That being said, I could see fringe playoff teams needing starpower being open to trading for him. Seattle, for example, may be interested and offer Wright, Larsson, and a first. At least, that's what I recall a sportnet writer suggesting.




Yeah lmao
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I'm actually pretty surprised there hasn't been more name calling considering the thread topic lol. With the one obvious exception, this has been a good discussion thread.

I keep seeing a lot of articles on this, all of which say the challenge of Marner's contract and his agent recommendations will likely hurt his value. That being said, I could see fringe playoff teams needing starpower being open to trading for him. Seattle, for example, may be interested and offer Wright, Larsson, and a first. At least, that's what I recall a sportnet writer suggesting.


Yeah lmao I’ve seen a lot of over paying for Marner ideas and ones that wouldn’t work due to cap. And I’ve seen a lot of under paying ( at least from what I felt ) so I wanted to have a friendly talk to see everyone’s opinion on his value. Obviously there isn’t always much friendly talk on this site lmao so happy there isn’t more name calling. And with Seattle I think they may have the cap to pull it off I would have to double check. Because I know they have to resign Beniers and tolvanen and then I would assume some other guys but yeah not 100% sure
May 19 at 3:57 p.m.
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Lmao I’m actually I really big fan of Marner love the guy. I just wanted to hear others opinions


Well as you can already tell by the responses. According to the enlightened people on this site, he has no value.
May 19 at 3:58 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
His salary is too hard to move so it lowers it


Sure bud. Eichel's 10 million was impossible to move, as was Karlsson's. 1 year of Marner? Impossible
May 20 at 6:54 a.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Sure bud. Eichel's 10 million was impossible to move, as was Karlsson's. 1 year of Marner? Impossible


LOL who said impossible? Reading is not your strong suit but, since it's you Rip I'm not surprised
 
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