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Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 22, 2024
Published: May 22, 2024
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  1. Toropchenko, Alexey
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Without the inclusion of Knies or Marner, what would be a fair offer for Toropchenko? Or is he an immovable piece?
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May 22 at 7:59 a.m.
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STL fans would know better, but hes probably definitely not immoveable.

Normally I'd say a 2nd and a bit more for a 24 yr old forward who has 20 or so pts in 2 full seasons is a pretty even deal, BUT toronto doesn;t have one of those and lacks 3rds, so the logical and quickest answer is a late in the round 1st.

But Toronto which has only 2 1sts and 1 3rd (and just 1 4th) in the next 3 yrs wont do that
May 22 at 8:16 a.m.
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They would probably move him for a first. Look back to the Ryan Reaves deal with PIT as that’s what I imagine it would take. He was very solid this year and greatly improved his scoring to the point I think he’ll see time on the third line this year.
May 22 at 8:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Hammerwise
STL fans would know better, but hes probably definitely not immoveable.

Normally I'd say a 2nd and a bit more for a 24 yr old forward who has 20 or so pts in 2 full seasons is a pretty even deal, BUT toronto doesn;t have one of those and lacks 3rds, so the logical and quickest answer is a late in the round 1st.

But Toronto which has only 2 1sts and 1 3rd (and just 1 4th) in the next 3 yrs wont do that


He's a 4th liner would not take much to get him if STL wanted to move him
May 22 at 8:18 a.m.
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They would probably move him for a first. Look back to the Ryan Reaves deal with PIT as that’s what I imagine it would take. He was very solid this year and greatly improved his scoring to the point I think he’ll see time on the third line this year.


More like the Reaves trades with the NYRs. He's not even close to getting a 1st
May 22 at 8:22 a.m.
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More like the Reaves trades with the NYRs. He's not even close to getting a 1st


You asked what it would take. The Blues have no interest in moving him. Therefore, you would have to overpay, hence my reference to the Reaves trade
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May 22 at 8:37 a.m.
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You asked what it would take. The Blues have no interest in moving him. Therefore, you would have to overpay, hence my reference to the Reaves trade


Yeah I’d be more inclined to listen to a Blues fans opinion here. Would a Robertson plus a pick trade work?
May 22 at 9:07 a.m.
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He's a 4th liner would not take much to get him if STL wanted to move him


It won't take a mix of mid round picks to move him. No reason to give him up. 2nd is fair value for the player, but you don't have that.
May 22 at 9:25 a.m.
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He's a 4th liner would not take much to get him if STL wanted to move him


The Blues aren’t looking to move him. He plays up and down lineup - not just a 4th liner. A second is fair value but would be declined. If he’s so invaluable - go find a player like him elsewhere…
May 22 at 9:30 a.m.
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A first. He's too valuable to the team already as he busts his rear end every night and gives it his all and plays his role.

Could that be replaced? Sure, but we love Torp here, and so does management, so anything short of an overpay isn't happening.
May 22 at 9:31 a.m.
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It won't take a mix of mid round picks to move him. No reason to give him up. 2nd is fair value for the player, but you don't have that.


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The Blues aren’t looking to move him. He plays up and down lineup - not just a 4th liner. A second is fair value but would be declined. If he’s so invaluable - go find a player like him elsewhere…


At the end of the day his value is a low pick. He is a 4th liner on a contending team. He is the type of player you can sign in August for less than a $1M.

Don't get me wrong he's the type of player they Leaf's want for the bottom 6 but there would not be any 1st, 2nd or even a 3rd coming back in a trade for him.
May 22 at 9:50 a.m.
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There’s not much of a reason to move him. He plays an extremely direct game, and a pretty physical one with a high motor.

It would probably take a situation like as stated before someone paying out the nose to add physicality to their lineup. Reaves, Buchnevich (Blais), etc.
May 22 at 10:12 a.m.
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There’s not much of a reason to move him. He plays an extremely direct game, and a pretty physical one with a high motor.

It would probably take a situation like as stated before someone paying out the nose to add physicality to their lineup. Reaves, Buchnevich (Blais), etc.


I’m more interested in the speed honestly
May 22 at 10:20 a.m.
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The blues like Toro and have no need to trade him. He's cheap, brings a different element to our team and makes a good bottom 6 player. These types tend not to go for much which is why the blues will probably keep him. Now if someone wants to overpay like a 2nd or more then maybe but you guys don't have any 2nd round picks anymore.
May 22 at 10:22 a.m.
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Quoting: SNipeSHowInc
I’m more interested in the speed honestly


Our biggest question throughout the media has been effort/consistency. Toropchenko was probably one of 3 guys that wasn’t hammered about it at all this year.

His production is pretty replaceable on paper. But, a lot of that has to do with opportunity.

It’s just not a situation in which he’s a guy that would be moved to clear up roster space for a “market value” pick. We have enough of those guys that we’d likely want to do that with.
May 22 at 10:39 a.m.
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At the end of the day his value is a low pick. He is a 4th liner on a contending team. He is the type of player you can sign in August for less than a $1M.

Don't get me wrong he's the type of player they Leaf's want for the bottom 6 but there would not be any 1st, 2nd or even a 3rd coming back in a trade for him.


Typical Leafs fan. Doesn't understand how teams win in the playoffs. The Blues 4th line was a huge reason they won in 2019. Toropchenko is a very productive player similar to Barbeshev who eventually moved up in the lineup and garnered a 1st round equivalent when he was traded. Players on the Blues and other teams, grow and get better and move up in the line up. They are then prepared to play in playoffs. Now that you have Berube, imagine your team might try something similar...

Toropchenko is also better than every player on the Leafs 3rd and 4th lines.
May 22 at 10:52 a.m.
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You would need to offer a Tanner Jeannot type package. I don't see him being moved.
May 22 at 11:03 a.m.
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He's a 4th liner would not take much to get him if STL wanted to move him


He’s miles better than any Leaf 4th liner, he hasn’t hit his peak yet either. 20 goal, 30-35 pt potential. Decent 3rd liner who can play in the top 6 occasionally because of his speed.
May 22 at 11:34 a.m.
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Typical Leafs fan. Doesn't understand how teams win in the playoffs. The Blues 4th line was a huge reason they won in 2019. Toropchenko is a very productive player similar to Barbeshev who eventually moved up in the lineup and garnered a 1st round equivalent when he was traded. Players on the Blues and other teams, grow and get better and move up in the line up. They are then prepared to play in playoffs. Now that you have Berube, imagine your team might try something similar...

Toropchenko is also better than every player on the Leafs 3rd and 4th lines.


I’ll disagree with being better than anyone in the bottom 6. Bobby Mcmann flourished this year and Matthew Knies is a force
May 22 at 2:20 p.m.
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I’ll disagree with being better than anyone in the bottom 6. Bobby Mcmann flourished this year and Matthew Knies is a force


Knies played in your top 6 most of playoffs that I saw. We can beg to differ on who is better between McMann and Toro but let's just say they are even. What would it take for the Leaf's to trade McMann? It's more than this fanboy is claiming would take for Toro. You have no reason to trade him as he's cheap and productive. Same case with Toropchenko. Also think that Toro is still getting better so to trade him would take significant assets to Blues - again no reason to trade him and fits timeline of retool.
May 22 at 2:37 p.m.
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Knies played in your top 6 most of playoffs that I saw. We can beg to differ on who is better between McMann and Toro but let's just say they are even. What would it take for the Leaf's to trade McMann? It's more than this fanboy is claiming would take for Toro. You have no reason to trade him as he's cheap and productive. Same case with Toropchenko. Also think that Toro is still getting better so to trade him would take significant assets to Blues - again no reason to trade him and fits timeline of retool.


Yeah in playoffs he was top 6, regular season was bottom 6
May 22 at 4:52 p.m.
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He’s miles better than any Leaf 4th liner, he hasn’t hit his peak yet either. 20 goal, 30-35 pt potential. Decent 3rd liner who can play in the top 6 occasionally because of his speed.


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Knies played in your top 6 most of playoffs that I saw. We can beg to differ on who is better between McMann and Toro but let's just say they are even. What would it take for the Leaf's to trade McMann? It's more than this fanboy is claiming would take for Toro. You have no reason to trade him as he's cheap and productive. Same case with Toropchenko. Also think that Toro is still getting better so to trade him would take significant assets to Blues - again no reason to trade him and fits timeline of retool.


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I’ll disagree with being better than anyone in the bottom 6. Bobby Mcmann flourished this year and Matthew Knies is a force


McMann would not have much value either Just because a player is a hard worker and fans like him does not make him valuable. Not sure how a 4th liner with a 3rd line ceiling gets you a 1st.

Kampf, Jarnkrok , Knies McMann are all better than him.

He would return something like Connor Dewar did.
May 22 at 5:08 p.m.
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McMann would not have much value either Just because a player is a hard worker and fans like him does not make him valuable. Not sure how a 4th liner with a 3rd line ceiling gets you a 1st.

Kampf, Jarnkrok , Knies McMann are all better than him.

He would return something like Connor Dewar did.


Kampf is garbage and would cost you assets to got out of his contract
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May 22 at 6:20 p.m.
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Kampf is garbage and would cost you assets to got out of his contract


He's still a better player. He is a solid 3rd/4th line center defensively sound, wins faceoffs, PK
May 22 at 6:41 p.m.
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He's still a better player. He is a solid 3rd/4th line center defensively sound, wins faceoffs, PK


Toropchenko does all those things, is faster, hits people, has better scoring touch, is cheaper, 5 years younger, and is actually good. Again not surprising that you don’t know what makes a good hockey player/team. Luckily your team finally got a coach that knows how to build one…
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May 22 at 7:55 p.m.
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Toropchenko does all those things, is faster, hits people, has better scoring touch, is cheaper, 5 years younger, and is actually good. Again not surprising that you don’t know what makes a good hockey player/team. Luckily your team finally got a coach that knows how to build one…


He does not take faceoffs is not a center (a position more valuable than winger) Congrats he's cheaper its not surprising that you don't know the value of a player Show me 1 trade that someone similar to him got more than a 3rd round pick
 
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