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If Trotz is as aggressive in 2024 as he was in 2023 about moving up

Created by: NHLfan10506
Team: 2024-25 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: May 22, 2024
Published: May 22, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Just playing around with another random scenario…

(UFAs are just placeholders…there would be other moves)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$6,250,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$775,000
1$775,000
Trades
1.
NJD
    Last year, Trotz offered 15th overall pick, 24th overall pick and Askorov for 5th overall pick.
    NSH
      Barry Trotz afterwards

      ““When you talk about uncomfortable, it’s what you think is over-giving. The center-ice position — especially with the first four guys — I thought the value was there. And (my offers) fill holes that they were looking for as well. … Again, I will say, I was getting uncomfortable with some of my offers.”
      2.
      NJD
        PuckPedia Pick Values

        #15 = 24.9
        #24 = 15.2

        Which means he either felt Askarov was worth something similar to late 1st (#32 = 10.3) or he was being very aggressive in finding a future 1C. Likely the ladder.
        NSH
          PuckPedia Pick Values

          #5 = 50.1
          3.
          NJD
            PuckPedia Pick Values

            #22 = 16.8

            So looking at 2024 draft, if Nashville wanted to move up to 10th overall, the added piece would be similar in value to 21st overall pick (#21 = 17.7). If Trotz was willing to discount Askorov down to the value of 32nd pick last year, perhaps discounting him down to 21st pick this year would be possible if Catton or Lindstrom or whomever he likes falls to 10th pick. (This scenario probably assumes Saros is locked up long-term too).
            NSH
              PuckPedia Pick Values

              #10 = 34.2
              4.
              NJD
              1. Askarov, Yaroslav
              2. 2024 1st round pick (NSH)
              NSH
              1. Daws, Nico [RFA Rights]
              2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
              Additional Details:
              Devils adding Daws as well
              5.
              NJD
                Askorov
                Boisvert or Hage

                (How it looks after draft)
                NSH
                  Catton or Lindstrom
                  Daws
                  Recapture Fees
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                  23$87,700,000$79,201,397$1,538,897$6,800,000$8,498,603
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                  LW, RW
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                  $8,000,000$8,000,000
                  C
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                  $7,875,000$7,875,000
                  RW, LW
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                  $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
                  RW, LW
                  RFA - 1
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                  $7,250,000$7,250,000
                  C
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                  $6,250,000$6,250,000
                  RW, C
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                  $6,000,000$6,000,000
                  LW, RW
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                  $3,150,000$3,150,000
                  C, LW
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                  UFA - 2
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                  UFA - 1
                  Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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                  $3,400,000$3,400,000
                  LD
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                  UFA - 4
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                  $9,000,000$9,000,000
                  RD
                  NMC
                  UFA - 4
                  Logo of the New Jersey Devils
                  $1,925,000$1,925,000
                  G
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 1
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                  $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
                  LD/RD
                  RFA - 1
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                  $918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$3,250,000$3M)
                  RD
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                  $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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                  RD
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 3
                  ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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                  $775,000$775,000
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                  UFA - 1
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                  $1,350,000$1,350,000
                  RW
                  UFA - 1
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                  $800,000$800,000
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                  RFA
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                  $800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0)
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                  May 22 at 2:37 p.m.
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                  My assumption, you are adding something else of value. The 10th pick in this draft is miles away from the 5th pick in last years draft,

                  Daws is maybe a sweetener, but my guess is you are talking Seamus Casey or Alex Holtz to that offer at a minimum. Maybe next year’s first
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                  May 22 at 2:40 p.m.
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                  This class is way worse than last year. Trotz definitely won't be moving up, or at least as aggressively as he tried last year. I think it's more likely we seem him trade the pick altogether
                  May 22 at 2:40 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Celtics21
                  My assumption, you are adding something else of value. The 10th pick in this draft is miles away from the 5th pick in last years draft,

                  Daws is maybe a sweetener, but my guess is you are talking Seamus Casey or Alex Holtz to that offer at a minimum. Maybe next year’s first


                  I thought about Holtz instead of Daws. Brunette was a big advocate of his in NJ last year. But the scenario calls for Trotz being aggressive. Not sure Fitzy does that as Askorov is not necessarily “big game” (yet).
                  May 22 at 2:40 p.m.
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                  I'm confused though, by the time the 5th overall pick came around all the centers were taken.
                  May 22 at 2:41 p.m.
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  I thought about Holtz instead of Daws. Brunette was a big advocate of his in NJ last year. But the scenario calls for Trotz being aggressive. Not sure Fitzy does that as Askorov is not necessarily “big game” (yet).


                  My perspective is going with a young goalie has its risks. Better to bring them in as a backup and see if they emerge like Swayman did.
                  May 22 at 2:41 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Celtics21
                  My assumption, you are adding something else of value. The 10th pick in this draft is miles away from the 5th pick in last years draft,

                  Daws is maybe a sweetener, but my guess is you are talking Seamus Casey or Alex Holtz to that offer at a minimum. Maybe next year’s first


                  This.

                  Catton or Lidstrom are nice (assuming either of them are even available that far back), but Trotz tired getting up into the top 5 last year using Askarov. Downgrading heavily with Daws won't entice him unless there is a surefire top line C available with that 10th pick, which, there likely won't be
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                  May 22 at 2:42 p.m.
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                  There is a pretty big gap between Will Smith/Matvei Michkov and Catton/Lindstrom. I'd be interested in trading down if either are available but not interested enough to add Askarov who was drafted at 11th overall and is developing well.
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                  May 22 at 2:42 p.m.
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                  Quoting: cmarch
                  This class is way worse than last year. Trotz definitely won't be moving up, or at least as aggressively as he tried last year. I think it's more likely we seem him trade the pick altogether


                  Agree that 2024 class is way worse than 2023. But if he thought fondly about Catton or Lindstrom…and something like this arises, perhaps he jumps (also, it’s a lot less than the 2023 example).
                  May 22 at 2:44 p.m.
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                  Why not just offer the 10th pick and Daws for Wallstedt or Askarov?
                  May 22 at 2:45 p.m.
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                  Agree that 2024 class is way worse than 2023. But if he thought fondly about Catton or Lindstrom…and something like this arises, perhaps he jumps (also, it’s a lot less than the 2023 example).


                  I think he's looking for a legit 1st line center. Not a potential top 6/middle 6 guy. He wants a star.
                  May 22 at 2:45 p.m.
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                  I'm confused though, by the time the 5th overall pick came around all the centers were taken.


                  I believe, and I could be wrong, that these discussions were had on the eve of the draft. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson were all known to be going 1-2-3. So he was trying to make a play for #5 in case Will Smith got there (I suppose)
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                  May 22 at 2:48 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Celtics21
                  Why not just offer the 10th pick and Daws for Wallstedt or Askarov?


                  10th overall could probably get any available goalie (maybe even a couple unavailable ones). They are promising goalies, but not NHLers yet.
                  May 22 at 2:50 p.m.
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                  Quoting: cmarch
                  I think he's looking for a legit 1st line center. Not a potential top 6/middle 6 guy. He wants a star.


                  As he found out, star centers are obtainable.
                  May 22 at 3:01 p.m.
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  I believe, and I could be wrong, that these discussions were had on the eve of the draft. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson were all known to be going 1-2-3. So he was trying to make a play for #5 in case Will Smith got there (I suppose)


                  Indeed. The trade was agreed upon before the draft, on condition that at least one of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlson and Smith was still available at 5, because Trotz wanted a center.
                  Since they were all taken 1-4, the trade didn't go through.
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                  May 22 at 3:04 p.m.
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  I believe, and I could be wrong, that these discussions were had on the eve of the draft. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson were all known to be going 1-2-3. So he was trying to make a play for #5 in case Will Smith got there (I suppose)


                  He should have traded for 4th overall then.
                  May 22 at 3:04 p.m.
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                  Quoting: sens65
                  He should have traded for 4th overall then.


                  I think he tried.
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                  May 22 at 4:06 p.m.
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                  All the rumor really said was Trotz may be willing to offer Askarov+ for the 5th. We don't actually know what the "+" was. It was presumed that it would be a 1st rounder but which one and it certainly wasn't said to be both plus Askarov. That was just some Habs fans on here getting fresh.
                  May 22 at 4:26 p.m.
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                  Quoting: F50marco
                  All the rumor really said was Trotz may be willing to offer Askarov+ for the 5th. We don't actually know what the "+" was. It was presumed that it would be a 1st rounder but which one and it certainly wasn't said to be both plus Askarov. That was just some Habs fans on here getting fresh.


                  I believe there were a couple of reports (like this one) that said it was Askorov, and both picks. Not sure how reliable though.
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                  May 22 at 4:55 p.m.
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                  Quoting: sens65
                  I'm confused though, by the time the 5th overall pick came around all the centers were taken.


                  Trotz was supposedly making that offer to both SJS and MTL. He wanted a top 5 pick. Trotz has been on the hunt to get someone who can score. Picking someone like Michkov at 5OA would be an injection of offense that NSH has never had before. He likely wanted a center, but getting a high risk high reward player like Michkov would have been exactly what he wanted.
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                  May 22 at 5:04 p.m.
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                  Quoting: AEcho
                  Trotz was supposedly making that offer to both SJS and MTL. He wanted a top 5 pick. Trotz has been on the hunt to get someone who can score. Picking someone like Michkov at 5OA would be an injection of offense that NSH has never had before. He likely wanted a center, but getting a high risk high reward player like Michkov would have been exactly what he wanted.


                  Interesting.

                  I wonder if he'd have any interest in Josh Norris then. Obviously not for that kind of package.
                  May 22 at 7:22 p.m.
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                  Interesting.

                  I wonder if he'd have any interest in Josh Norris then. Obviously not for that kind of package.


                  It's a possibility. With all of the cap space NSH has now, it could work if the deal is right.
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                  May 22 at 7:37 p.m.
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                  Interesting.

                  I wonder if he'd have any interest in Josh Norris then. Obviously not for that kind of package.


                  What even would the asking price for Norris be? His injury history obviously plays a role, but I'm completely uncertain
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                  May 22 at 8:26 p.m.
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                  What even would the asking price for Norris be? His injury history obviously plays a role, but I'm completely uncertain


                  Honestly its hard to say. He definitely makes more money than he's worth so my guess is it would be something like Cody Glass, one good prospect, and a 2nd.
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                  May 25 at 10:02 a.m.
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  I believe there were a couple of reports (like this one) that said it was Askorov, and both picks. Not sure how reliable though.


                  Thanks for that. I did not see anything even that conclusive at the time.
                   
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