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From a NYR fan just looking at it from the CHI side

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Wanted to get some Hawks fans thoughts on this trade. I really like it. To me, this feels similar to using picks to move up in the draft. I still believe KK still has untapped potential. I said that about Laf in years past when he couldn't get off the 3rd line and I'm still saying it about KK as well. You can't develop your players when you only give them 13 ATOI AND even when they get those sub-par minutes...it's in sub-optimal situations for their talents.

We've got a need for high end talent and we have the roster spot to give him what he needs to truly develop. Let's also keep in mind. The ask from the Rangers fan was likely a LATE 2nd and a 4th. Worth it to me!
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Saw this from a Rangers fan. I like it a lot. The Hawks have a 2 year window before they need cap space and they can take a flyer on a guy that is being underutilized. The Hawks need high end talent. Hard to develop someone getting 13 ATOI.

I'd do this deal and see what we can do to help him mature into an NHLer.
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    I'd add to the previous trade as well. That are legit NHLers like TRad that could help fill KK's void that'll be cheaper options. TRad can play a 3rd liner role and provide some PK help.

    Phillips is an AHL/NHL tweener. Just being honest, but if he could have untapped potential as a physical LD.

    Credit to ChiHawk for thinking of it.
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    May 24 at 1:04 p.m.
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    That Ranger fan is obviously a fool and Drury doesn't even consider this. Pure nonsense.
    May 24 at 1:04 p.m.
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    I think it's worth it, despite Kaapo's skating concerns and he may ultimately being only a 3rd line winger. However, the hawks are thin at the RW position with young players or prospects, so think it would work as such for the Hawks even if he never amounts to more than a 3rd line RW long-term.

    I also think the rangers would want more, but Kaapo at best may be worth a very late 1st at this point so the Rangers may just be better holding onto him. I would propose Raylor Raddsh plus the 2nd round pick as a better solution given that Raddysh is also a RW and going to be cheaper for the Rangers. In this instance, Raddysh is more or less a even swap positionaly and as a player but cheaper and Rangers get the 2nd round pick as well. Hawks are purely better Kaapo becomes more than Raddysh.
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    May 24 at 1:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
    That Ranger fan is obviously a fool and Drury doesn't even consider this. Pure nonsense.


    Isn't he going to be another Healthy Scratch for tonight's game?
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    May 24 at 1:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
    That Ranger fan is obviously a fool and Drury doesn't even consider this. Pure nonsense.


    I posted it lol. Kakko looking at his 2nd healthy scratch in two ECFs….

    Also 3rd coach who doesn’t trust Kakko or want to play him much. I like Kakko and the game he brings, but it’s very clear what’s going on
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    May 24 at 1:10 p.m.
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    A 2nd round pick has a low chance of making it in the NHL and because the pick is from Dallas it likely ends up in the bottom 3rd of the second round anyway. Kakko is a legit NHL player with potential. Seems like a no-risk/high-reward trade for the Hawks.

    I think the Rangers ask for more though.
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    May 24 at 1:13 p.m.
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    Hawks should be all over this deal if it's offered.
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    May 24 at 1:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    I think it's worth it, despite Kaapo's skating concerns and he may ultimately being only a 3rd line winger. However, the hawks are thin at the RW position with young players or prospects, so think it would work as such for the Hawks even if he never amounts to more than a 3rd line RW long-term.

    I also think the rangers would want more, but Kaapo at best may be worth a very late 1st at this point so the Rangers may just be better holding onto him. I would propose Raylor Raddsh plus the 2nd round pick as a better solution given that Raddysh is also a RW and going to be cheaper for the Rangers. In this instance, Raddysh is more or less a even swap positionaly and as a player but cheaper and Rangers get the 2nd round pick as well. Hawks are purely better Kaapo becomes more than Raddysh.


    I'm all for that addition as well. I'll post an adder and credit you.
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    May 24 at 1:17 p.m.
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    I'm all for that addition as well. I'll post an adder and credit you.


    Yea i don’t know exactly what Kakko is worth in a trade. NYR fans would say it’s too little, fans of other teams would say it’s too much haha
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    May 24 at 1:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    Yea i don’t know exactly what Kakko is worth in a trade. NYR fans would say it’s too little, fans of other teams would say it’s too much haha


    It's a tough trade to get right, to be fair. Some people are still stuck on his #2OA draft status. Some look at Kirby Dach and say...he was drafted 1 pick later and still received a 1st & 3rd, BUT I'd argue A.) more time as passed...2 years in fact. There was still much more potential to develop a 21 year old vs a 23 year old. and B.) I'm not so sure MTL would sign up for that again if they had the chance to undo it.
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    May 24 at 1:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
    That Ranger fan is obviously a fool and Drury doesn't even consider this. Pure nonsense.


    bro who do you think kakko is 😭😭😭
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    May 24 at 1:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: exo2769
    It's a tough trade to get right, to be fair. Some people are still stuck on his #2OA draft status. Some look at Kirby Dach and say...he was drafted 1 pick later and still received a 1st & 3rd, BUT I'd argue A.) more time as passed...2 years in fact. There was still much more potential to develop a 21 year old vs a 23 year old. and B.) I'm not so sure MTL would sign up for that again if they had the chance to undo it.


    To be honest, if it were up to me I wouldn’t even think about trading Kakko. But it’s the fact that 3 coaches in a row still don’t utilize him and on his way to another ECF scratch?

    The feeling has to be mutual too. Kakko shouldn’t want to come back either and look for a fresh start where he can actually play more than 13 minutes
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    May 24 at 1:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    To be honest, if it were up to me I wouldn’t even think about trading Kakko. But it’s the fact that 3 coaches in a row still don’t utilize him and on his way to another ECF scratch?

    The feeling has to be mutual too. Kakko shouldn’t want to come back either and look for a fresh start where he can actually play more than 13 minutes


    100% agreed on all of those fronts. It's a "tough spot" to be in. I put it in quotes because you still have a game to play tonight....so I don't really feel bad, but if you can't get the ice time and the NYR don't look like they'll have the cap space...1st class problems I guess?
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    May 24 at 1:31 p.m.
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    100% agreed on all of those fronts. It's a "tough spot" to be in. I put it in quotes because you still have a game to play tonight....so I don't really feel bad, but if you can't get the ice time and the NYR don't look like they'll have the cap space...1st class problems I guess?


    People think Kakko isn’t good just because he doesn’t rack up the points. I don’t think he’ll ever be elite offensively, but his puck possession, wrist shot and defensive skills are evident. He has the tools
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    May 24 at 1:36 p.m.
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    I agree that Rags would want more than the initial package offered. Adding Raddysh and Phillips to the deal is pretty ideal from the hawks perspective -- Raddysh should be getting moved for a mid round pick regardless this offseason, and there's just no room for Phillips unless he progresses spectacularly.

    I wonder though if this package is feeling too much like quantity over quality from the Rags perspective. Curious to get more Rangers fans input
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    May 24 at 1:37 p.m.
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    Hey now Big Hawks trade!
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    May 24 at 2:04 p.m.
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    Isn't he going to be another Healthy Scratch for tonight's game?


    The entire team could be a healthy scratch after last game so it's not on just him.
    May 24 at 2:06 p.m.
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    I posted it lol. Kakko looking at his 2nd healthy scratch in two ECFs….

    Also 3rd coach who doesn’t trust Kakko or want to play him much. I like Kakko and the game he brings, but it’s very clear what’s going on


    You could healthy scratch every player but Igor after last game. Not defending Kakko's play but he is worth way more than this proposal.
    May 24 at 2:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: itzRavai
    bro who do you think kakko is 😭😭😭


    Bro, who do you think you are? LMFAO.
    May 24 at 2:09 p.m.
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    You could healthy scratch every player but Igor after last game. Not defending Kakko's play but he is worth way more than this proposal.


    Forget about the value because no one will ever agreed on what Kakko is worth. NYR fans will say it’s not enough and other fanbases will say it’s too much

    The whole point is that this feels mutual that the coaches don’t see a future for Kakko and Kakko probably wants out to play more than 10 minutes
    May 24 at 2:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    Forget about the value because no one will ever agreed on what Kakko is worth. NYR fans will say it’s not enough and other fanbases will say it’s too much

    The whole point is that this feels mutual that the coaches don’t see a future for Kakko and Kakko probably wants out to play more than 10 minutes


    Who knows what the mutual feelings are? Every player wants more ice time but Kakko has zero leverage in negotiations at this point in his career, so he has every reason to play as hard as he can if he wants other teams to notice him and Drury isn't just going to give him away for peanuts. This isn't Lias Andersson or Kravstov were talking about, Kakko has way more potential than them and had a good year prior to this one, so I highly doubt Drury moves him unless he gets something worthwhile in return to help win now, and that isn't draft picks.
    May 24 at 2:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
    Who knows what the mutual feelings are? Every player wants more ice time but Kakko has zero leverage in negotiations at this point in his career, so he has every reason to play as hard as he can if he wants other teams to notice him and Drury isn't just going to give him away for peanuts. This isn't Lias Andersson or Kravstov were talking about, Kakko has way more potential than them and had a good year prior to this one, so I highly doubt Drury moves him unless he gets something worthwhile in return to help win now, and that isn't draft picks.


    Kakko can refuse to sign with the team and personally request a trade. You don’t want to ruin a good locker room and keep Kakko there if he is unhappy

    I’m not saying they should trade him away, but it’s clearly obvious when Kakko becomes the one that’s always demoted or healthy scratched and no one else is. And it isn’t only Lavi, Quinn and Gallant barely gave him ice time either
    May 24 at 2:24 p.m.
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    Kakko can refuse to sign with the team and personally request a trade. You don’t want to ruin a good locker room and keep Kakko there if he is unhappy

    I’m not saying they should trade him away, but it’s clearly obvious when Kakko becomes the one that’s always demoted or healthy scratched and no one else is. And it isn’t only Lavi, Quinn and Gallant barely gave him ice time either


    Kakko can ruin the rest of his career if he wants to by trying that, but Drury isn't a GM that caves to players. Drury would just let him dangle without a contract and I very much doubt Kakko wants that. He also seems like a nice kid and not the type to try something that petulant. He isn't Kravstov. IMO he will take the benching and comes back better for it, just like Chytil did when he didn't make the team a few years back and broke his ass in the AHL to get better. I also think he gets a 2 year bridge deal after the season unless a trade offer that makes sense comes along, one that is way better than 2 draft picks.
    May 24 at 2:26 p.m.
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    Kakko can ruin the rest of his career if he wants to by trying that, but Drury isn't a GM that caves to players. Drury would just let him dangle without a contract and I very much doubt Kakko wants that. He also seems like a nice kid and not the type to try something that petulant. He isn't Kravstov. IMO he will take the benching and comes back better for it, just like Chytil did when he didn't make the team a few years back and broke his ass in the AHL to get better. I also think he gets a 2 year bridge deal after the season unless a trade offer that makes sense comes along, one that is way better than 2 draft picks.


    Lundkvist literally requested a trade and got his wish lol….

    Why is Drury gonna bridge Kakko for 2 years likely in the $3m range for a forward to play 11 minutes a game? He won’t get better and fans will continue to think he sucks because he doesn’t rack up points
    May 24 at 2:32 p.m.
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    Lundkvist literally requested a trade and got his wish lol….

    Why is Drury gonna bridge Kakko for 2 years likely in the $3m range for a forward to play 11 minutes a game? He won’t get better and fans will continue to think he sucks because he doesn’t rack up points


    Lundquist REQUESTED a trade, he didn't threaten to not sign a new contract and sit out....big difference. AND, they got a 1st round pick for him which is much better than a 2nd and a 4th, and Lundquist wasn't in a position of need for the team like Kakko is at RW. It's apples to oranges.

    How do you know Kakko won't get better? You have a crystal ball? Ranger fans screamed about Kreider's new deal a few years back and said it would age terribly, and yet Kreider has become more productive and a better player in his 30's than in his 20's and his contract is actually a bargain. You don't know what the kids future is any more than I do, but at $3m/year for 2 years it's a low risk gamble. Proof is how badly Hawk fans want to jump on your trade offer.
    May 24 at 2:38 p.m.
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    Lundquist REQUESTED a trade, he didn't threaten to not sign a new contract and sit out....big difference. AND, they got a 1st round pick for him which is much better than a 2nd and a 4th, and Lundquist wasn't in a position of need for the team like Kakko is at RW. It's apples to oranges.

    How do you know Kakko won't get better? You have a crystal ball? Ranger fans screamed about Kreider's new deal a few years back and said it would age terribly, and yet Kreider has become more productive and a better player in his 30's than in his 20's and his contract is actually a bargain. You don't know what the kids future is any more than I do, but at $3m/year for 2 years it's a low risk gamble. Proof is how badly Hawk fans want to jump on your trade offer.


    Why wouldn’t Kakko request a trade lol he knows he can be better and he was frustrated with the lack of top 6/special teams time in the exit interviews last year. Now he’s being scratched again when the whole team sucked? Again I said ignore the value of the trade because it was more about moving on from Kakko….

    Kreider was averaging 17 minutes in his 5th year which means they at least trusted him and tried getting him better. Kakko on the other hand is going down in ice time because they clearly don’t think he’s worth the ice time. The whole reason why Laffy is breaking out is 1) top 6 ice time, finally getting more minutes and 2) better linemates which they never moved him away from trocheck and Panarin

    Kakko is the scapegoat and it’s extremely clear what coaches think of him. As I’ve said before, I don’t want him gone but Lavi doesn’t play him much and now gonna be scratched for Rempe who will likely get 5 minutes tonight
     
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