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trading big pieces

Created by: LordStanlersCup
Team: 2024-25 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: May 23, 2024
Published: May 24, 2024
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I don't think any of the big pieces (Sergy, Cirelli, Cernak) are going to be traded, it's most likely that they trade Sheary and Jeannot to make space for Stammer but if one of them were to be traded I would trade Sergy.
Cernak is solid and maybe slightly overpaid by 500k but we would have to replace him immediately after trading him so that makes no sense.
Cirelli is one of the only players that has a positive impact every game, again probably slightly overpaid by 750k, but again if he was traded he would have to be replaced and there are not too many dependable defensive centers on the market. The lack of offense does not matter when you aren't allowing goals just the same as great offensive production doesn't matter if you are letting in the same amount of goals.
Sergachev is overpaid by probably close to 1.5 mil and his defensive game took a big step back before his injury(he was okay in the playoffs). He gets a lot of points but how much of that is just due to getting PP time and being able to cycle the puck to Kuch and Stammer? It feels like he has lost the creativity in his game that he had early on and if I had to pick one of the 3 to trade it would probably be him.

Would draft one of Demidov/Lindstrom/Catton with the 6OA pick to eventually play with Kuch and Pointer.
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3$4,000,000
5$5,400,000
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3$950,000
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    Lindstrom, Cayden
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    UFA - 6
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    RW
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    UFA - 3
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    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    LW
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    $6,250,000$6,250,000
    C, LW
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    $5,500,000$5,500,000
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    LW, C
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    C, LW
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    $867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
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    UFA - 2
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    $775,000$775,000
    G
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    UFA - 2
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    May 24 at 3:06 p.m.
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    You had me until you said TB is trading Sergy. 🤔
    May 24 at 3:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: SharkTank
    You had me until you said TB is trading Sergy. 🤔


    did you read the description?
    May 24 at 3:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    did you read the description?


    Yeah try again.

    It's nonsense.
    May 24 at 3:07 p.m.
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    who takes over as 1LD
    May 24 at 3:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: SharkTank
    Yeah try again.

    It's nonsense.


    ? I said that I dont think any of them will be traded which includes Sergy
    May 24 at 3:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: boltsfan71
    who takes over as 1LD


    Hedman, I would have Hedman as 1LD even with Sergy
    May 24 at 3:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    Hedman, I would have Hedman as 1LD even with Sergy


    yea I would too but Hedman is 8 years older than sergachev
    May 24 at 3:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: boltsfan71
    yea I would too but Hedman is 8 years older than sergachev


    He still can play big minutes for now though, and once McDonaghs contract ends we would find our new 1LD after Hedman declines some
    May 24 at 3:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    He still can play big minutes for now though, and once McDonaghs contract ends we would find our new 1LD after Hedman declines some


    its easier said than done though, they paid sergachev to take on that role
    May 24 at 3:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: boltsfan71
    its easier said than done though, they paid sergachev to take on that role


    Yeah, he hasnt really lived up to it imo, even if they can't get that top pairing LD I would still be happy with 2 solid LD instead
    May 24 at 3:31 p.m.
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    Your description is a bunch of garbage except none of them get traded after that it is as said earlier is nonsense.
    May 24 at 3:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
    Your description is a bunch of garbage except none of them get traded after that it is as said earlier is nonsense.


    elaborate
    May 24 at 4:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    elaborate


    Cirelli overpaid 42% D-zone starts, top 9 in Selke voting every year in the league, plays against Mathews Barkov Crosby,etc every night . His perceived "lack of production" is more much more than made up for by his defensive dominance.
    Cernak is a lock down top pair RD over paid is garbage. Simple enough
    Sergachev missed most of last year and a broken leg is a freak injury it happens So, I'll go back to the prior year leaf team in TOI the previous year and has produced 52p/82 has been very good defensively again thinking he's 1.5 mil over paid is ludicrous Sergachev @8.5 Jones 9.5 I'll take Sergachev everyday. Again Sergachev @8.5 werenski 9.5 again I'll gladly take Sergachev.
    May 24 at 5:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
    Cirelli overpaid 42% D-zone starts, top 9 in Selke voting every year in the league, plays against Mathews Barkov Crosby,etc every night . His perceived "lack of production" is more much more than made up for by his defensive dominance.
    Cernak is a lock down top pair RD over paid is garbage. Simple enough
    Sergachev missed most of last year and a broken leg is a freak injury it happens So, I'll go back to the prior year leaf team in TOI the previous year and has produced 52p/82 has been very good defensively again thinking he's 1.5 mil over paid is ludicrous Sergachev 8.5 Jones 9.5 I'll take Sergachev everyday. Again Sergachev 8.5 werenski 9.5 again I'll gladly take Sergachev.


    For cirelli I said overpaid by about 750k he is comparable to a Danault, hes a very good player and I dont want to trade him, Cernak is good but is still overpaid by about 500k or so comparing him to a Andersson, Zub, Pettersson etc. You can't just ignore the awful start to the season sergachev had the sample size was large enough to be worrying (it was almost half a season). Sergachevs numbers offensively were inflated last year from being the QB of PP1 just like how hedman's numbers normally are. I disagree that sergachev was good defensively, I think he was at one point but hasnt been for awhile. Comparing Sergachev to bad contracts isnt a fair comparison. Jones contract is awful, up there with Nurse and Werenski is overpaid by 3 mil probably, I think Werenski is slightly worse than Sergy. To me a $8 mil defenseman is like a Pietrangelo, Morrissey, Hamilton, etc.
    May 24 at 6:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    For cirelli I said overpaid by about 750k he is comparable to a Danault, hes a very good player and I dont want to trade him, Cernak is good but is still overpaid by about 500k or so comparing him to a Andersson, Zub, Pettersson etc. You can't just ignore the awful start to the season sergachev had the sample size was large enough to be worrying (it was almost half a season). Sergachevs numbers offensively were inflated last year from being the QB of PP1 just like how hedman's numbers normally are. I disagree that sergachev was good defensively, I think he was at one point but hasnt been for awhile. Comparing Sergachev to bad contracts isnt a fair comparison. Jones contract is awful, up there with Nurse and Werenski is overpaid by 3 mil probably, I think Werenski is slightly worse than Sergy. To me a $8 mil defenseman is like a Pietrangelo, Morrissey, Hamilton, etc.


    Cirelli is 5 years younger than Danault better defensively., signed longer The 750k is more than made up for.
    Cernak take Zub. Cernak bigger younger better signed longer again Cernak
    Sergachev 8.5 Zack Werenski 9.51 Seth Jones 9.5 Sergachev is underpaid by $1,000,000
    May 24 at 6:31 p.m.
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    Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
    Cirelli is 5 years younger than Danault better defensively., signed longer The 750k is more than made up for.
    Cernak take Zub. Cernak bigger younger better signed longer again Cernak
    Sergachev 8.5 Zack Werenski 9.51 Seth Jones 9.5 Sergachev is underpaid by $1,000,000


    Danault and Cirelli are pretty even offensivley and defensively, in terms of age they are both aways from declining and that range of 25 to 33ish players typically will get the same AAV. A long Contract Length is only a good thing if its a good contract and that can only be determined once the contract has ended. Same thing with Cernak, I dont really care about size as long as its not a hinderance and Zub is still able to bring physicality along with good defense. Again I just said that werenski and Jones were bad comparables, both are overpaid.
    May 24 at 6:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    Danault and Cirelli are pretty even offensivley and defensively, in terms of age they are both aways from declining and that range of 25 to 33ish players typically will get the same AAV. A long Contract Length is only a good thing if its a good contract and that can only be determined once the contract has ended. Same thing with Cernak, I dont really care about size as long as its not a hinderance and Zub is still able to bring physicality along with good defense. Again I just said that werenski and Jones were bad comparables, both are overpaid.


    Petrangelo is bad because he's underpaid you can't just use contracts as acceptable because they further your argument go on the collective. Are they really overpaid if someone is willing to pay them that?; You're worth what someone is willing to pay you.
    May 24 at 6:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    Danault and Cirelli are pretty even offensivley and defensively, in terms of age they are both aways from declining and that range of 25 to 33ish players typically will get the same AAV. A long Contract Length is only a good thing if its a good contract and that can only be determined once the contract has ended. Same thing with Cernak, I dont really care about size as long as its not a hinderance and Zub is still able to bring physicality along with good defense. Again I just said that werenski and Jones were bad comparables, both are overpaid.

    And yes I can write off last season for Sergachev because while he was playing they were getting use to the new system and the entire team was playing like the 07 lightning well I exaggerate slightly to make the point.
    May 24 at 6:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
    Petrangelo is bad because he's underpaid you can't just use contracts as acceptable because they further your argument go on the collective. Are they really overpaid if someone is willing to pay them that?; You're worth what someone is willing to pay you.


    I dont think that pietrangelo is underpaid. Yes a player can be overpaid even if a GM is willing to give them that contract, hence the concept of being "overpaid".
    May 24 at 7:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: LordStanlersCup
    I dont think that pietrangelo is underpaid. Yes a player can be overpaid even if a GM is willing to give them that contract, hence the concept of being "overpaid".


    I'm basically really saying Sergachev is fair market value. For every comp someone makes a little less there's a guy a little more
     
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