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Team: 2024-25 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2024
Published: May 25, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,775,000
8$6,500,000
6$4,000,000
2$975,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,000,000
1$2,000,000
2$1,650,000
1$1,000,000
2$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Rosén, Isak
  2. Skinner, Jeff ($2,000,000 retained)
2.
BUF
  1. Drury, Jack [RFA Rights]
  2. Necas, Martin [RFA Rights]
CAR
  1. Jokiharju, Henri [RFA Rights]
  2. Östlund, Noah
  3. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
3.
BUF
UTA
  1. Krebs, Peyton [RFA Rights]
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2024
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2025
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2026
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23$87,700,000$83,917,737$0$2,500,000$3,782,263
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$855,833$855,833
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
C
M-NTC
UFA - 6
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
UFA
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$650,000$650K)
LW
RFA - 2
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW
RFA
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$886,667$886,667
C, LW
RFA - 3
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$7,100,000$7,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 6
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$1,775,000$1,775,000
C
RFA
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 8
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
RFA
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$4,285,714$4,285,714
LD
UFA - 6
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
G
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA
$775,000$775,000
C, RW
UFA
$1,650,000$1,650,000
RW
UFA

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May 25 at 7:34 a.m.
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I don't see the Hawks as a serious destination for Skinner. Retention or not. We have 2 seasons a I'll say "make believe" cap space, but that 3rd year of a 34 year old skinner....thats ROUGH. It'll take A LOT more than Rosen.
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May 25 at 7:37 a.m.
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I don't see the Hawks as a serious destination for Skinner. Retention or not. We have 2 seasons a I'll say "make believe" cap space, but that 3rd year of a 34 year old skinner....thats ROUGH. It'll take A LOT more than Rosen.


Skinner is a 35-40 goal scorer with Bedard. Doesnt matter his age, hes an elite finisher, when paired with an elite center he still scores. With Chicago hed be their best winger for those 3 years unless they over pay a UFA or trade assets for someone else, both things rebuilding teams generally dont do. They get 2 NHL forwards, one on his ELC thats already been fully developed
May 25 at 7:41 a.m.
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I agree that $6,500,000 is probably what Necas should make but I think he’s going to get $8,000,000+ like Dubois did
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May 25 at 8:19 a.m.
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Skinner is a 35-40 goal scorer with Bedard. Doesnt matter his age, hes an elite finisher, when paired with an elite center he still scores. With Chicago hed be their best winger for those 3 years unless they over pay a UFA or trade assets for someone else, both things rebuilding teams generally dont do. They get 2 NHL forwards, one on his ELC thats already been fully developed


Is it possible he scores 35 goals on the Hawks...maybe but it's also possible he scores 24 or 14 or 7...because those all happened too. You can be bias towards Skinner just as I can be bias toward Jones, but at least he's consistent. $9M for a guy (yes you retained above which seems odd because we can all admit he's a cap dump...so just do it) that you don't know what you're getting...because he was that way in Carolina too! He could scores 33, but he could also score 13, or 18, or 20. The ONLY way I take Skinner off your hands is the #11 OA. His contract is that bad. And elite shouldn't be used for him anymore either...probably shouldn't have never been used for him to begin with to be honest.
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May 25 at 8:34 a.m.
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Is it possible he scores 35 goals on the Hawks...maybe but it's also possible he scores 24 or 14 or 7...because those all happened too. You can be bias towards Skinner just as I can be bias toward Jones, but at least he's consistent. $9M for a guy (yes you retained above which seems odd because we can all admit he's a cap dump...so just do it) that you don't know what you're getting...because he was that way in Carolina too! He could scores 33, but he could also score 13, or 18, or 20. The ONLY way I take Skinner off your hands is the #11 OA. His contract is that bad. And elite shouldn't be used for him anymore either...probably shouldn't have never been used for him to begin with to be honest.


If the Hawks bury him on the 4th line and give him 10 minutes a game like Krueger did that might happen, dont see a scenario, especially on that Hawks team, why they would do that. Hes not a cap dump. Thats asinine, the Sabres need to play Kulich and they arent putting him on the 4th line, "Kruegering" him as mentioned before. Nor are the Sabres desperate for cap.
May 25 at 8:38 a.m.
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Takes more to dump skinner
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May 25 at 8:49 a.m.
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Is it possible he scores 35 goals on the Hawks...maybe but it's also possible he scores 24 or 14 or 7...because those all happened too. You can be bias towards Skinner just as I can be bias toward Jones, but at least he's consistent. $9M for a guy (yes you retained above which seems odd because we can all admit he's a cap dump...so just do it) that you don't know what you're getting...because he was that way in Carolina too! He could scores 33, but he could also score 13, or 18, or 20. The ONLY way I take Skinner off your hands is the #11 OA. His contract is that bad. And elite shouldn't be used for him anymore either...probably shouldn't have never been used for him to begin with to be honest.


I agree with a lot of this, I'd do 11oa myself. I will say that context is important here, it's fair to say that Skinner may not hit certain goal benchmarks because of age, he is on the wrong side of 30. It's not fair to base projections on seasons where he was being shamed by his coach for not playing defense. His ice time and goal totals suffered as he languished on the 4th line or the press box for large parts of those seasons. Personally I'm fine with the coach demanding that players play their system, but how do you shame a player with a long term 9 million dollar contract and a full nmc? The answer is- you can try, but they can wait you out, and since Krueger was in fact a horrible coach, eventually the teams succes was tied to decisions like punishing Skinner, as a reason for the team losing (like misappropriation of resources). Of course when Krueger got fired, granato came in, and as a developmental coach, allowed the team to play pond hockey, wanna guess who liked that? So in a system where he's not expected to pretend to play defense, and given reasonable talent to play with, Skinner likely hits 25-30 goals for the next few years. I don't want him around the young players, I want the young players to do what the coach tells them, which hopefully leads to winning hockey games, which is something that Skinner, after 1000 nhl games, has never been a part of. So yes, I think depending on utilization, 25-30 is reasonable (although probably not 40), and I'd pay something decent to move him. And at the end of the day, he will just veto the trade, and the Sabres will play him on the third line for one more season before buying him out. That's what I've got anyways.
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May 25 at 9:11 a.m.
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Skinner will not waive his Full NMC to go to Chicago.
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May 25 at 9:23 a.m.
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CHI declines for reasons already stated. The only reason Skinner would be a target for CHI is as a cap dump that brings in assets. If you want a trade like this, you find another team. Also, CHI doesn't need retention. If he is as good as you say, wouldn't retention defeat the entire purpose of moving him?

Also, I don't think I would trade Savoie for Rosen 1 for 1. I don't care where they were drafted, I believe Savoie has some serious upside. Regardless of offensive upside, he plays a desirable pest/rat game and is already a fan favorite without even playing a single game for CHI.
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May 25 at 9:24 a.m.
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I agree with a lot of this, I'd do 11oa myself. I will say that context is important here, it's fair to say that Skinner may not hit certain goal benchmarks because of age, he is on the wrong side of 30. It's not fair to base projections on seasons where he was being shamed by his coach for not playing defense. His ice time and goal totals suffered as he languished on the 4th line or the press box for large parts of those seasons. Personally I'm fine with the coach demanding that players play their system, but how do you shame a player with a long term 9 million dollar contract and a full nmc? The answer is- you can try, but they can wait you out, and since Krueger was in fact a horrible coach, eventually the teams succes was tied to decisions like punishing Skinner, as a reason for the team losing (like misappropriation of resources). Of course when Krueger got fired, granato came in, and as a developmental coach, allowed the team to play pond hockey, wanna guess who liked that? So in a system where he's not expected to pretend to play defense, and given reasonable talent to play with, Skinner likely hits 25-30 goals for the next few years. I don't want him around the young players, I want the young players to do what the coach tells them, which hopefully leads to winning hockey games, which is something that Skinner, after 1000 nhl games, has never been a part of. So yes, I think depending on utilization, 25-30 is reasonable (although probably not 40), and I'd pay something decent to move him. And at the end of the day, he will just veto the trade, and the Sabres will play him on the third line for one more season before buying him out. That's what I've got anyways.


I agree with you. It's a moot point. He's not waiving. Kruger might explain his BUF dissappear acts, but not CAR and like you mention...we've got young guys too. Hawks can't have that mentality at all either.
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May 25 at 9:34 a.m.
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Canes can’t trade Necas without getting a player who will be a good impact to their roster immediately. HJ doesn’t crack the top 4 in Carolina and the picks and prospects are decent not spectacular. Why do you get Drury too?
May 25 at 9:51 a.m.
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Canes can’t trade Necas without getting a player who will be a good impact to their roster immediately. HJ doesn’t crack the top 4 in Carolina and the picks and prospects are decent not spectacular. Why do you get Drury too?


Joker for Drury, pick and prospect for someone who doesnt want to be there
May 25 at 11:03 a.m.
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CHI declines for reasons already stated. The only reason Skinner would be a target for CHI is as a cap dump that brings in assets. If you want a trade like this, you find another team. Also, CHI doesn't need retention. If he is as good as you say, wouldn't retention defeat the entire purpose of moving him?

Also, I don't think I would trade Savoie for Rosen 1 for 1. I don't care where they were drafted, I believe Savoie has some serious upside. Regardless of offensive upside, he plays a desirable pest/rat game and is already a fan favorite without even playing a single game for CHI.


Ugh. I know Rosen was the first undersized forward that adams drafted, so this could have been a one-off pick. I guess I don't understand the logic behind drafting an undersized forward with a prime pick, if that player doesn't project to be a 30 goal or point per game player. So now, a few years have gone by, he's developing fine, looks to be a perfectly uninspired, but reasonable option for your middle 6. Nobody is clamoring for that player, and nobody wants to give you anything meaningful for the player, or even assign his value close to the 14th overall where he was taken. It's like- you couldn't reach on a big center or right shot d instead?
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May 25 at 11:14 a.m.
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Ugh. I know Rosen was the first undersized forward that adams drafted, so this could have been a one-off pick. I guess I don't understand the logic behind drafting an undersized forward with a prime pick, if that player doesn't project to be a 30 goal or point per game player. So now, a few years have gone by, he's developing fine, looks to be a perfectly uninspired, but reasonable option for your middle 6. Nobody is clamoring for that player, and nobody wants to give you anything meaningful for the player, or even assign his value close to the 14th overall where he was taken. It's like- you couldn't reach on a big center or right shot d instead?


Yeah. I think BUF wanted to be like a "average-to-undersized-possibly-top-6-potential" factory or something. But you don't get back what you put into those prospects unless you are going to use them and build their value up, and BUF doesn't have the roster space to use all of them. They barely have the space to use any of them with how their NHL roster is currently structured.

There is also bias that goes into a trade like that, for me. We picked Savoie and we watched him come into development camp and training camp and develop in junior, and he has impressed the entire way and he has those intangibles that make him desirable for reasons other than just putting up points. So, you become attached to the player and the vision of what they could be some day. With Rosen, I haven't watched him nearly as close as I have with our own prospects, but what I have seen doesn't leave me thinking "we need THAT GUY!", he leaves me thinking "sure, he's fine. but we probably already have one of those in our system, or we can get one in the 2nd or 3rd round in the next few drafts, or get him for cheap in a few years."
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May 25 at 11:53 a.m.
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Ugh. I know Rosen was the first undersized forward that adams drafted, so this could have been a one-off pick. I guess I don't understand the logic behind drafting an undersized forward with a prime pick, if that player doesn't project to be a 30 goal or point per game player. So now, a few years have gone by, he's developing fine, looks to be a perfectly uninspired, but reasonable option for your middle 6. Nobody is clamoring for that player, and nobody wants to give you anything meaningful for the player, or even assign his value close to the 14th overall where he was taken. It's like- you couldn't reach on a big center or right shot d instead?


Rosen is extremely undervalued. Insanely undervalued. Hes a complete middle 6 forward that has often looked better than Kulich, especially in the p offs. If they didnt have Quinn hed be in the lineup.
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May 25 at 2:00 p.m.
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Rosen is extremely undervalued. Insanely undervalued. Hes a complete middle 6 forward that has often looked better than Kulich, especially in the p offs. If they didnt have Quinn hed be in the lineup.


I hope so, I watch almost every Sabres game, but almost never watch the amerks. Most of the stuff I hear is good- appert was training him to be a professional athlete- working out to add muscle, and resting to recover properly, and appert was reasonable about his ceiling being a middle 6 winger, stressing that he was gonna have to back check and kill penalties too. The bad is that he just finished his D+3 year, he's not a point per game player in the ahl, and from what I heard, both Rosen and kulich disappeared in the ahl playoffs against a bigger team that leaned on them. I don't have the list of guys adams could've taken at 14 in front of me, but I remember Cossa and wellstedt went soon after Rosen (not that I want to draft goalies in round 1) and Wyatt johnson went somewhere in the 20s. It just feels like- you couldn't find a guy like Rosen in the 3rd or 4th round?
May 25 at 2:10 p.m.
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I hope so, I watch almost every Sabres game, but almost never watch the amerks. Most of the stuff I hear is good- appert was training him to be a professional athlete- working out to add muscle, and resting to recover properly, and appert was reasonable about his ceiling being a middle 6 winger, stressing that he was gonna have to back check and kill penalties too. The bad is that he just finished his D+3 year, he's not a point per game player in the ahl, and from what I heard, both Rosen and kulich disappeared in the ahl playoffs against a bigger team that leaned on them. I don't have the list of guys adams could've taken at 14 in front of me, but I remember Cossa and wellstedt went soon after Rosen (not that I want to draft goalies in round 1) and Wyatt johnson went somewhere in the 20s. It just feels like- you couldn't find a guy like Rosen in the 3rd or 4th round?


3rd or 4th round no way. Rosen performed in the playoffs, Kulich definitely disappeared
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