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Asking prices for trading down from 7th overall

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2024-25 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2024
Published: May 25, 2024
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Only in the event of the worst possible draft order for Ottawa:


1. San Jose -------- Macklin Celebrini
2. Chicago -------- Ivan Demidov
3. Anaheim ------ Artyom Levshunov
4. Columbus ----- Cayden Lindstrom
5. Montreal ------- Tij Iginla
6. Utah ------------- Zayne Parekh


Here are my asking prices for trading down:


Seattle ------------ #7 for #8 + Rangers' 2nd

Calgary ----------- #7 for #9 + #41

New Jersey ------ #7 for #10 + Seamus Casey

Buffalo ------------ #7 for #11 + Jiri Kulich

Philadelphia ----- #7 for #12 + Florida's 1st + #77
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
#8
#63 / #64 / #65
SEA
  1. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
#7
2.
OTT
  1. 2024 1st round pick (CGY)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
#9
#41
CGY
    #7
    3.
    OTT
    1. Casey, Seamus
    2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
    Additional Details:
    #10
    Seamus Casey
    NJD
      #7
      4.
      OTT
      1. Kulich, Jiri
      2. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
      Additional Details:
      #11
      Jiri Kulich
      BUF
        #7
        5.
        OTT
        1. 2024 1st round pick (FLA)
        2. 2024 1st round pick (PHI)
        3. 2024 3rd round pick (PHI)
        Additional Details:
        #12
        #29 / #30 / #31 / #32
        #77
        PHI
          #7
          Buyouts
          DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
          2024
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          2025
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          2026
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          ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
          18$87,700,000$76,450,714$850,000$600,000$11,249,286
          Left WingCentreRight Wing
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          $8,205,714$8,205,714
          LW
          UFA - 4
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          $8,350,000$8,350,000
          C
          UFA - 7
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          $6,500,000$6,500,000
          RW, C
          NMC
          UFA - 1
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          $7,950,000$7,950,000
          C
          UFA - 6
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          $4,975,000$4,975,000
          RW, LW
          UFA - 3
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          $863,333$863,333
          C, LW
          RFA - 1
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          $2,950,000$2,950,000
          LW, RW
          UFA - 2
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          $835,000$835,000
          C, RW
          RFA - 1
          Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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          $8,050,000$8,050,000
          LD
          UFA - 8
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          $4,600,000$4,600,000
          RD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 3
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          $2,750,000$2,750,000
          G
          UFA - 1
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          $8,000,000$8,000,000
          LD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 4
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          $4,000,000$4,000,000
          G
          M-NTC
          UFA - 4
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          $916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
          LD
          RFA - 1
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          $805,000$805,000
          RD
          RFA - 1
          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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          $4,600,000$4,600,000
          LD/RD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 1
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          $1,100,000$1,100,000
          RD
          NMC
          UFA - 1
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          $775,000$775,000
          RW, C
          UFA - 2

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          May 25 at 5:19 p.m.
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          Edited May 25 at 5:25 p.m.
          They could still take Dickinson, if you say he's redundant with Sanderson + Chabot/Chychrun that's fair, but they should take Silayev then or maybe try acquiring someone like Weegar that they could use.
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          May 25 at 5:21 p.m.
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          Buffalo wouldn’t be doing that. Not worth it.
          May 25 at 5:31 p.m.
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          I think you're way overvaluing the jumps for most of these teams. Past 5oa there's a bunch of players that could go 5-15..
          May 25 at 5:37 p.m.
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          Quoting: wojme
          I think you're way overvaluing the jumps for most of these teams. Past 5oa there's a bunch of players that could go 5-15..


          I don’t believe it goes to 15. Maybe 13, but I see distinct differences between 7 and 13. Don’t think late first rounders and second round picks are worth the difference in risk.

          Jiri Kulich and Seamus Casey are different. Both of those guys should be valued as first round picks and Kulich a higher one
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          May 25 at 5:39 p.m.
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          Bandwagon fairweathe
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          Utah could probably put a interesting package together to get to 7, depending on what a second is worth going forward, will be interesting what they have in mind, 6 up to 2/3 could also be In the cards.
          May 25 at 5:43 p.m.
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          I wouldn't trade kulich alone for the 7th pick
          May 25 at 5:45 p.m.
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          I Love J Boqvist
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          The estimated puckpedia cost to move up from 10 to 7 is 37th overall. Casey is worth much more than 37th overall.

          You can have our pair of 2nds next year tho
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          May 25 at 5:51 p.m.
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          Negative ghost rider, pattern is full
          May 25 at 6:14 p.m.
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          Quoting: dgibb10
          The estimated puckpedia cost to move up from 10 to 7 is 37th overall. Casey is worth much more than 37th overall.

          You can have our pair of 2nds next year tho


          To be fair, I think puckpedia is great for cap space and picks 15 and on. I think it’s literally dog crap with getting into the range where this is.

          The open challenge is probably a 1/3 of the top 15 are going to be disappointing. Trading down represents a bit of Russian Roulette.
          May 25 at 6:20 p.m.
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          Quoting: Lsendel3
          Buffalo wouldn’t be doing that. Not worth it.


          Quoting: wojme
          I think you're way overvaluing the jumps for most of these teams. Past 5oa there's a bunch of players that could go 5-15..


          Quoting: sabres89
          Negative ghost rider, pattern is full


          Yeah, Sabres don’t even consider that nonsense
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          May 25 at 7:00 p.m.
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          Quoting: Celtics21
          To be fair, I think puckpedia is great for cap space and picks 15 and on. I think it’s literally dog crap with getting into the range where this is.

          The open challenge is probably a 1/3 of the top 15 are going to be disappointing. Trading down represents a bit of Russian Roulette.


          I’d agree with that to an extent. In terms of picks in the top 10 or so, you can really only make a trade if the other team is actively selling that pick, as Nashville found out last year. They apparently offered the moon, with reports of as much as 2 1sts+Askarov, but nobody bit.
          May 26 at 11:46 a.m.
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          Quoting: Celtics21
          To be fair, I think puckpedia is great for cap space and picks 15 and on. I think it’s literally dog crap with getting into the range where this is.

          The open challenge is probably a 1/3 of the top 15 are going to be disappointing. Trading down represents a bit of Russian Roulette.


          Quoting: dgibb10
          I’d agree with that to an extent. In terms of picks in the top 10 or so, you can really only make a trade if the other team is actively selling that pick, as Nashville found out last year. They apparently offered the moon, with reports of as much as 2 1sts+Askarov, but nobody bit.


          I know every draft is different but just for the most recent times top 10 picks were moved in draft pick deals

          2004 Carolina trades 8 and 59 to Columbus for 4
          2005 Atlanta trades 8 for 12, 49, and 207
          2007 San Jose trades 13 44 and a future 3rd to STL for 9
          2008 Anaheim trades 12 to the kings for 17 28 WILD for 5 spots
          2008 Islanders trade 5 to Toronto for 7 68 and a future 2nd
          2008 Islanders trade 7 to Nashville for 9 and 40
          May 26 at 12:18 p.m.
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          Quoting: Schuyler
          I know every draft is different but just for the most recent times top 10 picks were moved in draft pick deals

          2004 Carolina trades 8 and 59 to Columbus for 4
          2005 Atlanta trades 8 for 12, 49, and 207
          2007 San Jose trades 13 44 and a future 3rd to STL for 9
          2008 Anaheim trades 12 to the kings for 17 28 WILD for 5 spots
          2008 Islanders trade 5 to Toronto for 7 68 and a future 2nd
          2008 Islanders trade 7 to Nashville for 9 and 40

          That islanders deal was the one I was thinking about. But yeah they aren’t common recently
          May 26 at 12:30 p.m.
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          Quoting: dgibb10
          That islanders deal was the one I was thinking about. But yeah they aren’t common recently


          Because GM’s generally realize the quality and percentage hits generally fall exponentially after a certain point.

          To me, the Islander and Chicago deal suggests that Chicago has a different amount of players in “their Tier 3” than NY.

          In most drafts, the difference between 10 and 22 is bigger than the difference between 22 and 60. Once you get past a certain stage, it’s what bottom 6 performer do you prefer with projectable skills.

          There are always players that break the model, but they usually have some sort of disturbed development cycle or non traditional one.
          May 26 at 1:04 p.m.
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          Quoting: dgibb10
          I’d agree with that to an extent. In terms of picks in the top 10 or so, you can really only make a trade if the other team is actively selling that pick, as Nashville found out last year. They apparently offered the moon, with reports of as much as 2 1sts+Askarov, but nobody bit.


          To be fair, last years forward class was great and defense was average. This year, it’s the other way around.

          Also, I’m not sure Askarov’s value is as determined as other prospects. I like him, but I like a lot of goaltenders in the AHL
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          Jun. 3 at 11:02 a.m.
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          How about #18 overall + Reichel + 2025 1st from Toronto + 2024 2nd Round #34 overall?
          Jun. 3 at 11:17 a.m.
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          Quoting: MikeyVC97
          How about #18 overall + Reichel + 2025 1st from Toronto + 2024 2nd Round #34 overall?


          If I'm reading this correctly, you're offering:



          #18
          #34
          Toronto's 1st
          Reichel

          for

          #7



          If that's what you're offering, you have a deal.
           
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