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Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 28, 2024
Published: May 28, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$7,500,000
4$4,250,000
2$2,750,000
2$2,750,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Saros, Juuse
  2. 2025 1st round pick (NSH)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (NSH)
2.
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth ($1,000,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Liljegren, Timothy [RFA Rights]
  2. Robertson, Nicholas [RFA Rights]
  3. 2025 1st round pick (NSH)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (NSH)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$87,700,000$87,671,334$0$0$28,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$13,250,000$13,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
C, RW
UFA
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
$7,500,000$7,500,000
C, RW
UFA
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$11,500,000$11,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$904,667$904,667
LW, C
RFA - 3
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, C
UFA
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
RFA
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
LD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$843,333$843,333 ($0$0$0$0)
G
RFA - 1
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$816,667$816,667 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW
RFA - 3
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$856,667$856,667 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000 ($200,000$200K$200,000$200K)
RW
UFA - 2
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$851,667$851,667 ($0$0$0$0)
RW, C
RFA - 2
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$875,000$875,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
RFA - 2
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$875,000$875,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C
RFA - 2

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May 28 at 8:09 a.m.
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no jones please Maybe at 50% retained
May 28 at 8:24 a.m.
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Quoting: kous
no jones please Maybe at 50% retained


Even then he doesn't have value.
May 28 at 8:24 a.m.
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no jones please Maybe at 50% retained


Jones is a #1D stuck on a bad team and there's a ****load of evidence to support that. This trade is an overpayment and he's overpaid by probably a mil or so, but Jones at 8.5 mil would be in the argument for our most valuable player come playoff time.
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May 28 at 8:27 a.m.
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Quoting: kous
no jones please Maybe at 50% retained


Even then it’s 6 years
May 28 at 8:28 a.m.
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Even then he doesn't have value.


Rather than try to make it somewhat believable you have to go and say he doesn't have ANY value. Why don't you just refer to the scouting reports on here for an unbiased opinion? As if you should even need that...
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May 28 at 8:37 a.m.
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Hawks decline.
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May 28 at 8:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Jones is a #1D stuck on a bad team and there's a ****load of evidence to support that. This trade is an overpayment and he's overpaid by probably a mil or so, but Jones at 8.5 mil would be in the argument for our most valuable player come playoff time.


I think he's a top 2 D on a weak team and 2nd pair on a good team. at $6M-$7M he's good value right now but at the end of this contract even that will be hard to swallow (unless the cap jumps $4M every year until then)
May 28 at 8:46 a.m.
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I think he's a top 2 D on a weak team and 2nd pair on a good team. at $6M-$7M he's good value right now but at the end of this contract even that will be hard to swallow (unless the cap jumps $4M every year until then)


No, he's just a top pairing D and has been from an early age. The cap will likely continue to rise by at least that amount each year, and having him at only 1 mil more than rielly would solidify our D long term. People seem to forget who they're talking about here...
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May 28 at 9:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Jones is a #1D stuck on a bad team and there's a ****load of evidence to support that. This trade is an overpayment and he's overpaid by probably a mil or so, but Jones at 8.5 mil would be in the argument for our most valuable player come playoff time.


Are you kidding me with "overpayment"?
1. Hawks are not interested in trading Jones. Trading him creates a bigger hole on the team.
2. Hawks are NOT retaining on Jones for 6 years.
3. Lilly and Robertson do not have the value you think you are offering in this trade.
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May 28 at 9:19 a.m.
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This is very comical. All the Leafs fans going back and forth on trying to make a fair Seth Jones trade while there's 100% consistency that Hawks fans say you're dreaming, but Leafs fans keep trying anyway!
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May 28 at 9:22 a.m.
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This is very comical. All the Leafs fans going back and forth on trying to make a fair Seth Jones trade while there's 100% consistency that Hawks fans say you're dreaming, but Leafs fans keep trying anyway!


If only their team was this relentless in the playoffs.
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May 28 at 9:22 a.m.
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Are you kidding me with "overpayment"?
1. Hawks are not interested in trading Jones. Trading him creates a bigger hole on the team.
2. Hawks are NOT retaining on Jones for 6 years.
3. Lilly and Robertson do not have the value you think you are offering in this trade.


A bigger hole on the team in the immediate future yes. Did you forget you're in year 2 of a scorched earth rebuild or something? Have you not been paying attention the last 2 years?
May 28 at 9:24 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
A bigger hole on the team in the immediate future yes. Did you forget you're in year 2 of a scorched earth rebuild or something? Have you not been paying attention the last 2 years?


Year 2 of a rebuild, sure, but the front office has come out and said they want the team to be better going forward. Trading Jones for a couple of bums and a couple of picks doesn't support the direction they're heading.
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May 28 at 9:28 a.m.
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Year 2 of a rebuild, sure, but the front office has come out and said they want the team to be better going forward. Trading Jones for a couple of bums and a couple of picks doesn't support the direction they're heading.


Look at the amount of talent they've traded already...

Jones doesn't fit your competitive window, which is many many years away. You're rebuilding, and it appears you have a hard time accepting that obvious fact.
May 28 at 9:30 a.m.
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A bigger hole on the team in the immediate future yes. Did you forget you're in year 2 of a scorched earth rebuild or something? Have you not been paying attention the last 2 years?


The Hawks have 0 RHD prospects close to NHL. Jones is a solidifying veteran on the right side for years with the young LHD. Jones may be overpaid, but the Hawks don't need the cap space. He helps them get to the floor. And by the time they need more cap space the cap will be rising.

RHD is a difficult position to fill with top line talent. And I will argue that while Jones is not a #1 D, he is a 1st pair RHD in the NHL.

I wouldn't pay more than a 4th for Robertson. He has a terrible injury history. Lillypad is not worth the extra.

You have posted about a half-dozen of various Jones to Leafs acgm's. Hawks have no need to trade him, no desire to trade him, and WILL NOT retain in trade of him. Talk to the Hawks in 4 years, maybe they will trade him with retention then.
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May 28 at 9:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Look at the amount of talent they've traded already...

Jones doesn't fit your competitive window, which is many many years away. You're rebuilding, and it appears you have a hard time accepting that obvious fact.


Yes, but Jones fits the rebuilding window EXTREMELY well. He serves a purpose. And he has more value to Hawks than he does in a trade. You have a hard time accepting that obvious fact.

Go try and pull another teams RHD.
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May 28 at 9:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Look at the amount of talent they've traded already...

Jones doesn't fit your competitive window, which is many many years away. You're rebuilding, and it appears you have a hard time accepting that obvious fact.


Any and every Hawks fan is well aware the team is rebuilding.

You appear to have a hard time accepting that Chicago isn't trading Jones for scraps.
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May 28 at 9:36 a.m.
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A bigger hole on the team in the immediate future yes. Did you forget you're in year 2 of a scorched earth rebuild or something? Have you not been paying attention the last 2 years?


Headed into year 3 now and the scorched earth phase is over.
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May 28 at 9:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Rather than try to make it somewhat believable you have to go and say he doesn't have ANY value. Why don't you just refer to the scouting reports on here for an unbiased opinion? As if you should even need that...


He doesn't. He makes 9.5 million and isn't worth 5. Jones is a 2nd pair defenceman signed until his late 30's for more than double his worth.
May 28 at 11:58 a.m.
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I'm not sure why you have posted so many of these Jones proposals. But, in all likelihood, CHI isn't moving him. Contrary to other Hawks fans, I do believe there is a certain point at which the value offered could be convincing enough to consider asking him to waive and maybe even retain, but the fact remains that he has a full NMC and moving him would leave a huge hole for CHI.
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May 28 at 12:38 p.m.
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He doesn't. He makes 9.5 million and isn't worth 5. Jones is a 2nd pair defenceman signed until his late 30's for more than double his worth.


Great evaluation as always!
May 28 at 12:42 p.m.
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He doesn't. He makes 9.5 million and isn't worth 5. Jones is a 2nd pair defenceman signed until his late 30's for more than double his worth.


Isn't worth 5? Signed until his late 30's? Wrong on both counts. He's not worth 9.5 but he's sure as hell worth more than 5.
May 28 at 1:04 p.m.
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Great evaluation as always!


It's true. Even last year when he had a "better" year, he was only better offensively than a 3/4 of NHL defenceman and was bottom 20% defensively. He's an offensive defenceman who isn't very good offensively and is horrible defensively. Utterly horrible. Seth Jones shouldn't make more than 4.5 million. He's the worst contract in the game. No one with credibility disputes this.
May 28 at 1:06 p.m.
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Isn't worth 5? Signed until his late 30's? Wrong on both counts. He's not worth 9.5 but he's sure as hell worth more than 5.


Nope. He's not a 1st pair defenceman. He's a below average offensive defenceman who may have some value around 4.5 million. He's signed through his 37th birthday. If you are going to argue that's his "mid" 30's over late 30's then you are just being pedantic
May 28 at 1:14 p.m.
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Nope. He's not a 1st pair defenceman. He's a below average offensive defenceman who may have some value around 4.5 million. He's signed through his 37th birthday. If you are going to argue that's his "mid" 30's over late 30's then you are just being pedantic


His contract ends when he's 35. Maybe you should learn basic math before you start calling out others.
 
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