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San Jose Sharks signed Will Smith (3 Years / $4,150,000 AAV)

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Sat. at 7:26 p.m.
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wow what logic!
You "i've been proven wrong but you don't know puck....."

you know what no one likes, sore losers.
Your DAL team that you thought was sooooo good, got beat and you are over here making excuses for it.
They lost, get over it.


And who did they beat in RD 1 and RD 2? The 2 teams that beat EDM in previous years (arguably stronger teams then when they beat EDM)...

You completely ignore context of situations... So, congrats, you believe all teams in the cup finals are equal and all winning teams are equal,

According to you, the 2018-19 Blues = the 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche = the 1987 Oilers = 2007 Ducks
Sat. at 8:53 p.m.
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And who did they beat in RD 1 and RD 2? The 2 teams that beat EDM in previous years (arguably stronger teams then when they beat EDM)...

You completely ignore context of situations... So, congrats, you believe all teams in the cup finals are equal and all winning teams are equal,

According to you, the 2018-19 Blues = the 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche = the 1987 Oilers = 2007 Ducks


It's not last year.
And no one said all teams are equal.
But stop making excuses.
You want to say they were tired.....
Well they got 2 days more rest before that series began, and distance skated on the ice McDavid is 2nd in the NHL in the playoffs.
Those are legs working man.

You just can't help but admit that is just excuses.....

The better team won. Period.
No one cares what you did last round.
Just like right now, the first 3 rounds don't matter. You either win the cup or you don't.
Cry excuses all day. You had your chance to beat them, you didn't get it done.
Sun. at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
It's not last year.
And no one said all teams are equal.
But stop making excuses.
You want to say they were tired.....
Well they got 2 days more rest before that series began, and distance skated on the ice McDavid is 2nd in the NHL in the playoffs.
Those are legs working man.

You just can't help but admit that is just excuses.....

The better team won. Period.
No one cares what you did last round.
Just like right now, the first 3 rounds don't matter. You either win the cup or you don't.
Cry excuses all day. You had your chance to beat them, you didn't get it done.


You just did!
Saying the better team won and ignoring the obvious hole that they capitalized on tired opponents is you saying all teams that reach a certain point are equal...
Your ignorance towards what happens is hilarious, and that's because you have no comeback, if you did, you wouldn't default to ignoring context...
Sun. at 5:24 p.m.
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You just did!
Saying the better team won and ignoring the obvious hole that they capitalized on tired opponents is you saying all teams that reach a certain point are equal...
Your ignorance towards what happens is hilarious, and that's because you have no comeback, if you did, you wouldn't default to ignoring context...


there is no "hole"
the previous series has nothing to do with the current.
Why is that so hard for you to grasp. These are teams that just played an 82 game season.... and you are going on about.... they are "tired".....
Your ignorance is hilarious.
You just keep making up excuses because you can't admit you were just wrong.
There always has to be an excuse as to why they lost instead of the fact they got beat by a better team.
No one is looking at the FL vs EDM cup and saying.... oh such and such team had a harder road to get there that's the reason................... blah blah nonsense nonsense drivel drivel
Only sore losers come up with such crap.
Sun. at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
there is no "hole"
the previous series has nothing to do with the current.
Why is that so hard for you to grasp. These are teams that just played an 82 game season.... and you are going on about.... they are "tired".....
Your ignorance is hilarious.
You just keep making up excuses because you can't admit you were just wrong.
There always has to be an excuse as to why they lost instead of the fact they got beat by a better team.
No one is looking at the FL vs EDM cup and saying.... oh such and such team had a harder road to get there that's the reason................... blah blah nonsense nonsense drivel drivel
Only sore losers come up with such crap.


82 game series where nothing's on the line with most of these teams, that's why you see most of the top guys resting... Compare that with 13 games of Colorado and Vegas back to back with no rest between and you completely fail to grasp at that idea, especially compared to LA, the broken version and 6-8 days of rest between with a Canucks team that's missing Demko and essentially Petey... There's a huge difference...

Yes people are, that's why Florida beat on EDM in G1, look at Boston Celtics in the NBA, what's the biggest criticism towards them? Their lack of how hard their opponent have been compared to the Mavs (where Luka is questionable for G2 as we speak dues to wear and tear on his body...

Same argument applies to Edmonton (Boston), Dallas (Dallas) and guys like Hintz, Tanev and more (Doncic)...

It's clear you have no understanding of the difference, there's a reason why the NHL sets the WC2 up the way they do... As it rewards the teams that do better in the RS with easier matchups and buys them time to recover and reset, Dallas did not get that and fell as a result...
Sun. at 6:15 p.m.
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82 game series where nothing's on the line with most of these teams, that's why you see most of the top guys resting... Compare that with 13 games of Colorado and Vegas back to back with no rest between and you completely fail to grasp at that idea, especially compared to LA, the broken version and 6-8 days of rest between with a Canucks team that's missing Demko and essentially Petey... There's a huge difference...

Yes people are, that's why Florida beat on EDM in G1, look at Boston Celtics in the NBA, what's the biggest criticism towards them? Their lack of how hard their opponent have been compared to the Mavs (where Luka is questionable for G2 as we speak dues to wear and tear on his body...

Same argument applies to Edmonton (Boston), Dallas (Dallas) and guys like Hintz, Tanev and more (Doncic)...

It's clear you have no understanding of the difference, there's a reason why the NHL sets the WC2 up the way they do... As it rewards the teams that do better in the RS with easier matchups and buys them time to recover and reset, Dallas did not get that and fell as a result...


82 games with nothing on the line..... that explains why all those teams didn't make the playoffs.... well at least it's fair to say some of those teams didn't play like there was anything on the line.
No one cares about the NBA....
Everyone has excuses for when they can't get something done, but then wants to think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread...
It's always the fault of something else.
They lost.
EDM was the better team.
That's what it boils down too.
As for Game 1... Bob played great. That's what that game boiled down to. Not because other people where "tired".

Sore losers gonna sore lose.
Sun. at 10:22 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
82 games with nothing on the line..... that explains why all those teams didn't make the playoffs.... well at least it's fair to say some of those teams didn't play like there was anything on the line.
No one cares about the NBA....
Everyone has excuses for when they can't get something done, but then wants to think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread...
It's always the fault of something else.
They lost.
EDM was the better team.
That's what it boils down too.
As for Game 1... Bob played great. That's what that game boiled down to. Not because other people where "tired".

Sore losers gonna sore lose.


Again, another point you can't defend so you ignore it, I'm done here...

See you after the SCF
Sun. at 10:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Again, another point you can't defend so you ignore it, I'm done here...

See you after the SCF


oh look another made up point no one can defend because it didn't exist.
DAL was tired but the other team who got less rest between series, Main player has the 2nd most ice time of anyone in the playoffs, and just got done playing an 82 game season wasn't tired too!

I don't know what you are waiting after the SCF for.
I'm not an EDM fan. I will point out though, back to the original point, FL and EDM both have franchise level players. So the history and stats are correct again no matter who wins.
Mon. at 9:09 a.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
oh look another made up point no one can defend because it didn't exist.
DAL was tired but the other team who got less rest between series, Main player has the 2nd most ice time of anyone in the playoffs, and just got done playing an 82 game season wasn't tired too!

I don't know what you are waiting after the SCF for.
I'm not an EDM fan. I will point out though, back to the original point, FL and EDM both have franchise level players. So the history and stats are correct again no matter who wins.


Florida doesn't have one... They have multiple elite players, just like Dallas

Wrong again...

This and the inability to defend yourself is why your opinion is wrong, you can't even classify a franchise player...
Mon. at 5:11 p.m.
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Florida doesn't have one... They have multiple elite players, just like Dallas

Wrong again...

This and the inability to defend yourself is why your opinion is wrong, you can't even classify a franchise player...


uh actually they do Barkov, which is widely agreed by people in hockey.
But hey go on now........

Again, you just can't seem to figure it out.
Tue. at 9:19 a.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
uh actually they do Barkov, which is widely agreed by people in hockey.
But hey go on now........

Again, you just can't seem to figure it out.


What's next, there are 32 "Franchise" players?

In actuality, there aren't as many franchise players, EDM and COL each have 2... Lucky them...

A list of franchise players would include, in no particular order: McDavid, Drai, Matthews, Mackinnon, Makar, Hughes x2 with Bedard and Crosby either just leaving or entering that tier...

Barkov's not on that list bc he isn't on the same tier... Which helps as he's not paid as much and depth reigns supreme...
Tue. at 12:51 p.m.
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NHL Draft Confidential 2024: What insiders think of Celebrini, Demidov and more
The Athletic - Corey Pronman Jun 11, 2024

You can't say he's "clickbait" since he is posting what are statements from actual NHL Scouts & Executives"

On Macklin Celebrini:
Scout 1: “I came into the season thinking at worst he could be Nico Hischier. He’s much better than Hischier though. I’m not saying he’s Crosby, but he could be Sidney Crosby-lite.”
Executive 1: “I don’t think the offense is going to be elite in his game in the NHL, but he’s a great all-around forward and I think he’s a better version of what Matty Beniers is.”
Scout 2: “He was the no-doubt No. 1 pick from his first week in the USHL last season. He’s a potential superstar, a guy you could build a winning franchise around.”
Scout 3: “He’s closer to the Matthews/Bedard range of prospects than he is to Jack Hughes/Dahlin. There were things he did this season that often reminded me of Crosby. He’s super competitive and intelligent.”
Executive 2: “Jack Hughes will have seasons with more points, but Celebrini is the type of player I would rather build my team around to win.”

A lot of that sounds like Celebrini IS in fact seen as a Franchise Player. Therefore all of LuckyMoneyPuck's posts on this thread are completely irrelevant trolling. His entire basis for everything is that the Sharks rebuild needs a franchise player and that in his opinion Celebrini isn't one ("because its obvious") otherwise it's pointless. Well, they will get one (based on actual opinions that matter) so case closed.
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Tue. at 3:28 p.m.
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NHL Draft Confidential 2024: What insiders think of Celebrini, Demidov and more
The Athletic - Corey Pronman Jun 11, 2024

You can't say he's "clickbait" since he is posting what are statements from actual NHL Scouts & Executives"

On Macklin Celebrini:
Scout 1: “I came into the season thinking at worst he could be Nico Hischier. He’s much better than Hischier though. I’m not saying he’s Crosby, but he could be Sidney Crosby-lite.”
Executive 1: “I don’t think the offense is going to be elite in his game in the NHL, but he’s a great all-around forward and I think he’s a better version of what Matty Beniers is.”
Scout 2: “He was the no-doubt No. 1 pick from his first week in the USHL last season. He’s a potential superstar, a guy you could build a winning franchise around.”
Scout 3: “He’s closer to the Matthews/Bedard range of prospects than he is to Jack Hughes/Dahlin. There were things he did this season that often reminded me of Crosby. He’s super competitive and intelligent.”
Executive 2: “Jack Hughes will have seasons with more points, but Celebrini is the type of player I would rather build my team around to win.”

A lot of that sounds like Celebrini IS in fact seen as a Franchise Player. Therefore all of LuckyMoneyPuck's posts on this thread are completely irrelevant trolling. His entire basis for everything is that the Sharks rebuild needs a franchise player and that in his opinion Celebrini isn't one ("because its obvious") otherwise it's pointless. Well, they will get one (based on actual opinions that matter) so case closed.


you can't say he's click bait..... but he's "Crosby".....
honestly dude, he's not Crosby or anywhere near his level. They name drop that for people like you who actually think it's not click bait.
Tue. at 3:30 p.m.
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What's next, there are 32 "Franchise" players?

In actuality, there aren't as many franchise players, EDM and COL each have 2... Lucky them...

A list of franchise players would include, in no particular order: McDavid, Drai, Matthews, Mackinnon, Makar, Hughes x2 with Bedard and Crosby either just leaving or entering that tier...

Barkov's not on that list bc he isn't on the same tier... Which helps as he's not paid as much and depth reigns supreme...


ahhh we are all so glad the "expert" is here to tell us who is and is not a franchise player.
I mean imagine that, it's almost like guys like Panarin or Kucherov don't exist.

This is why you're arguments have no credibility.
Tue. at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
ahhh we are all so glad the "expert" is here to tell us who is and is not a franchise player.
I mean imagine that, it's almost like guys like Panarin or Kucherov don't exist.

This is why you're arguments have no credibility.


You have never once defined "Franchise Player" for the purposes of your own argument, let alone provided a list.
Tue. at 4:57 p.m.
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You have never once defined "Franchise Player" for the purposes of your own argument, let alone provided a list.


actually I did, you just didn't read.
Nor do I have to "provide" a list with your imaginary demands that you think others must fill.
Tue. at 5:40 p.m.
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It's a good signing but some of the comments on here.

I don't really see how this teams future is much different than what it has been without a legit franchise player on it.
Smith, Celebrini, Eklund ..... ain't it.

What I see is a rebuild running full steam ahead into mediocrity. They needed to take a few more years, probably got the 1OA at the wrong time if you ask me. Would have been better off next year or the year after that.


This was your first post and it doesn't define franchise level player but references it. Just sayin

Shane Doan could be defined as a franchise player from his time in Phoenix.
Tue. at 6:23 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
your imaginary demands that you think others must fill.


Your the one who came onto Will Smith's ELC forum to crap on the Sharks fans hopes of Celebrini+Smith by stating Celebrini "ain't it" because you claim he ain't and you claim to know how rebuilds work and you claim to know what a franchise player is but none of your posts have added any definition, perspective, or otherwise worthy information.

When I pointed out you were building a strawman argument you turn into a 12 year old called me a strawman then proceeded to tell everyone else they were creating strawman arguments.

You are either 12 years old or bipolar
Tue. at 6:40 p.m.
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so case closed.


Sometimes it's fun to poke the angry bear tho.
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Tue. at 7:21 p.m.
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…there's a reason why the NHL sets the WC2 up the way they do... As it rewards the teams that do better in the RS with easier matchups and buys them time to recover and reset, Dallas did not get that and fell as a result...


Actually, Dallas did finish with the best record in the conference and drew the WC2 in the first round. Trouble is, this year that happened to be Vegas. It looked like Dallas was going to be rewarded with a matchup against LA, but Vegas lost their last game, which dropped them from 3rd in the Pacific to the 2nd wild card. That may have hurt Vegas more than it hurt Dallas, but sometimes the “reward” for finishing higher in the standings turns out to be more of a penalty then a reward. I think that’s why teams don’t seem to worry too much about their position in the overall standings unless they’re in danger of missing the playoffs.
Tue. at 7:37 p.m.
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Anyway, I see this team being no better off than LA, who rushed their rebuild too and are now stuck in mediocrity. Good enough not to finish last, but not bad enough to change their future.
If you only half ass tank a team, you end up with half assed results.
If you are going to be bad.... be really bad for a significant amount of time to get it right.


I agree that it’s much easier to build a contender if you’re really bad for multiple years, because it gives you several early 1st-round draft picks to build around, but what is it the Sharks are doing wrong that makes you think they’re not going to be continuing to draft in the top 5 for a few more years? They just got rid of probably the only top line caliber player they had left (Hertl). Their tanking attempt looks pretty full ass to me.
Tue. at 8:00 p.m.
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I agree that it’s much easier to build a contender if you’re really bad for multiple years, because it gives you several early 1st-round draft picks to build around, but what is it the Sharks are doing wrong that makes you think they’re not going to be continuing to draft in the top 5 for a few more years? They just got rid of probably the only top line caliber player they had left (Hertl). Their tanking attempt looks pretty full ass to me.


because the young talent is good just not franchise level good, and it will win games. Which will pull them out of those picks.

This is why I said, rush.

No need to rush these young guys in. Just tank it out is better for the team, the fanbase, and eventually these players themselves.
They aren't signing these guys already to not play them. Nor are they going to bury them in the AHL.

That is unless you think adding these guys isn't going to win games and pull them out of the bottom 5. Which I think is absurd. Of course they will win games, at least enough that other teams are tanking out under them. Which really hurts in the next 2 years drafts, as those 1OA are much better players.
Tue. at 8:10 p.m.
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This was your first post and it doesn't define franchise level player but references it. Just sayin

Shane Doan could be defined as a franchise player from his time in Phoenix.


so you read one post and then claim you know some something about the argument you jumped head first into?
Bravo man.
Way to use those reading skills.
Tue. at 8:14 p.m.
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Your the one who came onto Will Smith's ELC forum to crap on the Sharks fans hopes of Celebrini+Smith by stating Celebrini "ain't it" because you claim he ain't and you claim to know how rebuilds work and you claim to know what a franchise player is but none of your posts have added any definition, perspective, or otherwise worthy information.

When I pointed out you were building a strawman argument you turn into a 12 year old called me a strawman then proceeded to tell everyone else they were creating strawman arguments.

You are either 12 years old or bipolar


no one came to crap on SJS fans so maybe you should stop acting like a 12 year old.

You clearly over here in a fanboi tizzy.

maybe read a bit of the argument you jumped into before claiming everyone is strawman because you can't comprehend in your blind raging.
Tue. at 8:29 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
so you read one post and then claim you know some something about the argument you jumped head first into?
Bravo man.
Way to use those reading skills.


Throwing a tanty because mean people on the internet don't agree with you? I know at this point I'm just feeding your Narcissism, so I'm not gonna go back and quote every comment you left in this thread. But you haven't defined a franchise played you just said "talent level vs peers" Robertson? Hintz? miro?

The sharks have tanked well and drafted well and are still a couple years away from being a legit contender. But they're executing the tank pretty well and when they are ready to compete guys like Smith and Celebrini will have NHL games under their belt. They're gonna be fun to watch.
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