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Contending for Best D in the League

Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 29, 2024
Published: May 29, 2024
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Minten steps in for the 25-26 season, replacing tavares' 11 mil cap hit with a rookie salary. This along with a rising cap means the leafs could return with essentially the same roster for next season as well.

Fun to think how different this team could look with a truly elite backend. If anyone can piece together a strong D core its Tre.

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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,500,000
2$2,500,000
1$875,000
3$2,275,000
4$4,000,000
Trades
1.
2.
TOR
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
3.
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth ($1,000,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Robertson, Nicholas [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
4.
VGK
  1. Liljegren, Timothy [RFA Rights]
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
  3. 2026 1st round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$87,700,000$87,696,334$0$0$3,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$13,250,000$13,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
C, LW
UFA
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$11,500,000$11,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 8
$2,275,000$2,275,000
LW, C
UFA
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$904,667$904,667
LW, C
RFA - 3
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$900,000$900,000
LW, C
RFA
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
LW, RW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 1
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$875,000$875,000
LD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$875,000$875,000 ($0$0$0$0)
G
UFA
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$1,350,000$1,350,000 ($200,000$200K$200,000$200K)
RW
UFA - 2

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May 29 at 4:08 p.m.
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vegas accepts
May 29 at 4:25 p.m.
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I wouldn't. Theo is an elite Defensemen. A measly first and Lily, plus a third isn't enough. I would do Cowan and Minten for Theo though.
May 29 at 4:35 p.m.
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Seattle isn't trading #8
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Hawks decline
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May 29 at 4:44 p.m.
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I wouldn't. Theo is an elite Defensemen. A measly first and Lily, plus a third isn't enough. I would do Cowan and Minten for Theo though.


That's more than what Vegas paid for hanifin + half retention + full extension. That trade made it pretty clear theodore would likely be shipped out given their current cap situation.

So the knights go with the younger, soon to be cheaper replacement in hanifin while still coming out ahead in terms of assets.

Of course you would trade for those players, obviously that's not realistic. There's a reason the guy above said VGK accepts, a tidy piece of business by them.

You know how we ended up with Cowan in the first place? By using a measly 1st just last year to select him 28th overall. Minten was a measly second rounder. Those picks turn into players eventually!
May 29 at 4:59 p.m.
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Seattle isn't trading #8


Not for juat anything, no. This trade makes a ton of sense for the krakken, who are in a unique window as a Bettman expansion team.

Marner is a huge boost to help them compete now, something which is crucial for an expansion team. They replace Bellemare and Schultz with younger, cost controlled players who are likely an improvement almost immediately. They'd still have at least two 2nds and two 3rds this year as well.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5181787

Almost half that roster would be gone by the time the 8th overall pick starts being a real contributor, vs. Marner in his prime who would immediately become their best player right now, helping to form an elite two-way tandem with beniers.

Trust me, I've thought about this much longer than you have.
May 29 at 5:13 p.m.
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Not for juat anything, no. This trade makes a ton of sense for the krakken, who are in a unique window as a Bettman expansion team.

Marner is a huge boost to help them compete now, something which is crucial for an expansion team. They replace Bellemare and Schultz with younger, cost controlled players who are likely an improvement almost immediately. They'd still have at least two 2nds and two 3rds this year as well.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5181787

Almost half that roster would be gone by the time the 8th overall pick starts being a real contributor, vs. Marner in his prime who would immediately become their best player right now, helping to form an elite two-way tandem with beniers.

Trust me, I've thought about this much longer than you have.

Marner is a rental, he is not returning a top 8 pick. End of conversation
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May 29 at 5:17 p.m.
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Marner is a rental, he is not returning a top 8 pick. End of conversation


Groan... any marner trade will involve an extension because he's in full control of where he chooses to go. Thought this went without saying, but here we are.

I guess that clears things up at least!
May 29 at 5:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Groan... any marner trade will involve an extension because he's in full control of where he chooses to go. Thought this went without saying, but here we are.

I guess that clears things up at least!


Groan... Marner cannot be extended until July 1st, thought this went without saying but here we are
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May 29 at 5:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Groan... Marner cannot be extended until July 1st, thought this went without saying but here we are


We've already discussed this... marner has complete control over where he goes, if he even chooses to go there. He's not going to accept a trade to a team who's not going to extend him, nor would the krakken trade for him unless they were confident they could resign him.

There are countless examples of this on your team alone from the past few years, namely hanifin, huberdeau and weegar. So yes, the wording is important here. There would be a mutual agreement before this trade is completed.

Thinking one party would try to completely restructure the deal in such am egregious manner that marner and the krakken would eventually part ways, less than a week after he's traded? Ruining their reputation permanently among GMs and player agents? There's no benefit to that whatsoever.

So yes, obviously a theoretical extension would be in place beforehand given the clear mutual interest from both sides. If the extension were already signed before the trade is completed that would be a sign and trade.

Would it make you feel better if the krakken made the selection themselves and traded it less than a week later? What a hill to die on when he literally has full trade protection. Piece it together here..
May 29 at 6:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
We've already discussed this... marner has complete control over where he goes, if he even chooses to go there. He's not going to accept a trade to a team who's not going to extend him, nor would the krakken trade for him unless they were confident they could resign him.

There are countless examples of this on your team alone from the past few years, namely hanifin, huberdeau and weegar. So yes, the wording is important here. There would be a mutual agreement before this trade is completed.

Thinking one party would try to completely restructure the deal in such am egregious manner that marner and the krakken would eventually part ways, less than a week after he's traded? Ruining their reputation permanently among GMs and player agents? There's no benefit to that whatsoever.

So yes, obviously a theoretical extension would be in place beforehand given the clear mutual interest from both sides. If the extension were already signed before the trade is completed that would be a sign and trade.

Would it make you feel better if the krakken made the selection themselves and traded it less than a week later? What a hill to die on when he literally has full trade protection. Piece it together here..


This is such a stupid conversation but I'll bite.

Marner does have control over were he wants to go so it is likely that he will waive to somewhere he is willing to extend. That does not mean an extension will ever come to fruition though, especially since Marner's agent (Darren Farris) is such a major advocate of testing free agency. You can't just use the word "mutual agreement" because that is not a thing in this case, there is no negotiating contract extensions prior to July 1st. Plain and simple. You can't just circumvent the rules to justify your trade. Seattle can't meet with Marner or his agent prior to July 1st, and they can only talk to him July 1st and after if they are given permission by Toronto. Seattle can probably take a guess what number Marner is looking for in an extension but that is only the AAV, there are many things that go into a contract negotiation, such as term, pay structure per year, signing bonuses, clauses, etc. All of these things can take quite a long time and as you know Marner has had no issue dragging out negotiations in the past. If they trade for Marner and then can't agree on an extension then they will likely have to consider moving him again before the trade deadline, where there is zero chance they can come anywhere close to recuperating an asset like 8th OA.

I have no idea what you are saying with the highlighted part, that doesn't make any sense

Also why are you bringing up Hanifin, Huberdeau, and Weegar? Hanifin was 20 when Calgary acquired him, and if you are referring to the Vegas trade there was no guarantee he would extend. Vegas traded for him to make their roster better for the playoffs. They did not negotiate an extension or anything beforehand, they simply made the trade and sat down and negotiated an extension after the trade was made. With Huberdeau and Weegar there was a lot of worry and speculation that neither would be signed, hell there were so many rumors that Huberdeau would sign in Montreal as a FA the following year. And then there was the dinner with Brad. Surely you've heard about it, Huberdeau officially signed his contract 3 days later. Weegar didn't sign until 3 days before the season started and the trade was made in July.

Yes it actually would make me feel better if the Kraken selected 1st and then made the trade because that actually has a <1% chance of realism to it. They still almost certainly won't trade that selection, just like they almost certainly won't make Shane Wright available for Marner but at least it's not impossible
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May 29 at 6:23 p.m.
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A first 3 years from now doesn’t do it for Vegas….
May 29 at 6:46 p.m.
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This is such a stupid conversation but I'll bite.

Marner does have control over were he wants to go so it is likely that he will waive to somewhere he is willing to extend. That does not mean an extension will ever come to fruition though, especially since Marner's agent (Darren Farris) is such a major advocate of testing free agency. You can't just use the word "mutual agreement" because that is not a thing in this case, there is no negotiating contract extensions prior to July 1st. Plain and simple. You can't just circumvent the rules to justify your trade. Seattle can't meet with Marner or his agent prior to July 1st, and they can only talk to him July 1st and after if they are given permission by Toronto. Seattle can probably take a guess what number Marner is looking for in an extension but that is only the AAV, there are many things that go into a contract negotiation, such as term, pay structure per year, signing bonuses, clauses, etc. All of these things can take quite a long time and as you know Marner has had no issue dragging out negotiations in the past. If they trade for Marner and then can't agree on an extension then they will likely have to consider moving him again before the trade deadline, where there is zero chance they can come anywhere close to recuperating an asset like 8th OA.

I have no idea what you are saying with the highlighted part, that doesn't make any sense

Also why are you bringing up Hanifin, Huberdeau, and Weegar? Hanifin was 20 when Calgary acquired him, and if you are referring to the Vegas trade there was no guarantee he would extend. Vegas traded for him to make their roster better for the playoffs. They did not negotiate an extension or anything beforehand, they simply made the trade and sat down and negotiated an extension after the trade was made. With Huberdeau and Weegar there was a lot of worry and speculation that neither would be signed, hell there were so many rumors that Huberdeau would sign in Montreal as a FA the following year. And then there was the dinner with Brad. Surely you've heard about it, Huberdeau officially signed his contract 3 days later. Weegar didn't sign until 3 days before the season started and the trade was made in July.

Yes it actually would make me feel better if the Kraken selected 1st and then made the trade because that actually has a <1% chance of realism to it. They still almost certainly won't trade that selection, just like they almost certainly won't make Shane Wright available for Marner but at least it's not impossible


I'm talking about the extension he signed with VGK. I view it as being pretty straightforward:

Marner does not have to accept a trade to anywhere, so any team he does accept a trade too will need to being willing to extend him.

Toronto does not have to trade him, and would only do so if they're getting full value on their return.

Because of the price this would set, any team acquiring him would want to be confident they can extend him, which logically would be the case if he were to accept a trade to that organization.

So, all 3 teams have a vested interested in creating the framework for a contract. Toronto gives permission for ferris to speak with Seattle, where he gives them a ballpark figure of say 11.5 mil. Seattle feels comfortable enough to make that trade, but 5 days later,

Ferris says "actually the price is now 13 mil", or, Seattle says "actually we'll give you 9.5". Neither side would have any interest in misleading the other, not only for everyone involved here, but for their professional reputations.

So, there's a less than 1% chance marner does not extend with the team acquiring him. Given your concern with the timeline and the fact this is essentially a 3 way trade where the biggest names are Jones to Toronto, marner to Seattle and blue-chip futures to chicago, replace the overall pick with a futures of equivalent value, like firkus plus a late 1st.

All teams address their current rosters needs and direction, and this way we can wait a full week later to complete a sign and trade for marner, hopefully putting your vivid imagination to rest here.

And by the way, the biggest difference with marner, something which can only support my point, is that unlike weegar and huberdeau, marner would not be surprised, but would actually have to have chosen to go.

Edit: To add, suggesting there is no negotiating contract extensions before July 1st is both naive and nonsensical. Why you imagine this decisions would be made with a complete lack of clarity like that is hard to understand. So sure, you could still walk to FA, but again, why would he accept a trade in that scenario? He obviously wouldn't.

I think that's enough for this circular argument though, July 1st it is.

One last thing, so long as Toronto gives permission Seattle can talk to him whenever they'd like, about whatever they'd like. They can't sign an extension until the 1st, but the idea that the NHL would try to establish that or ever hope to monitor it is out to lunch.
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A first 3 years from now doesn’t do it for Vegas….


Swap it for this year's if you need.
 
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