Edited May 29 at 7:07 p.m.
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
This is such a stupid conversation but I'll bite.
Marner does have control over were he wants to go so it is likely that he will waive to somewhere he is willing to extend. That does not mean an extension will ever come to fruition though, especially since Marner's agent (Darren Farris) is such a major advocate of testing free agency. You can't just use the word "mutual agreement" because that is not a thing in this case, there is no negotiating contract extensions prior to July 1st. Plain and simple. You can't just circumvent the rules to justify your trade. Seattle can't meet with Marner or his agent prior to July 1st, and they can only talk to him July 1st and after if they are given permission by Toronto. Seattle can probably take a guess what number Marner is looking for in an extension but that is only the AAV, there are many things that go into a contract negotiation, such as term, pay structure per year, signing bonuses, clauses, etc. All of these things can take quite a long time and as you know Marner has had no issue dragging out negotiations in the past. If they trade for Marner and then can't agree on an extension then they will likely have to consider moving him again before the trade deadline, where there is zero chance they can come anywhere close to recuperating an asset like 8th OA.
I have no idea what you are saying with the highlighted part, that doesn't make any sense
Also why are you bringing up Hanifin, Huberdeau, and Weegar? Hanifin was 20 when Calgary acquired him, and if you are referring to the Vegas trade there was no guarantee he would extend. Vegas traded for him to make their roster better for the playoffs. They did not negotiate an extension or anything beforehand, they simply made the trade and sat down and negotiated an extension after the trade was made. With Huberdeau and Weegar there was a lot of worry and speculation that neither would be signed, hell there were so many rumors that Huberdeau would sign in Montreal as a FA the following year. And then there was the dinner with Brad. Surely you've heard about it, Huberdeau officially signed his contract 3 days later. Weegar didn't sign until 3 days before the season started and the trade was made in July.
Yes it actually would make me feel better if the Kraken selected 1st and then made the trade because that actually has a <1% chance of realism to it. They still almost certainly won't trade that selection, just like they almost certainly won't make Shane Wright available for Marner but at least it's not impossible
I'm talking about the extension he signed with VGK. I view it as being pretty straightforward:
Marner does not have to accept a trade to anywhere, so any team he does accept a trade too will need to being willing to extend him.
Toronto does not have to trade him, and would only do so if they're getting full value on their return.
Because of the price this would set, any team acquiring him would want to be confident they can extend him, which logically would be the case if he were to accept a trade to that organization.
So, all 3 teams have a vested interested in creating the framework for a contract. Toronto gives permission for ferris to speak with Seattle, where he gives them a ballpark figure of say 11.5 mil. Seattle feels comfortable enough to make that trade, but 5 days later,
Ferris says "actually the price is now 13 mil", or, Seattle says "actually we'll give you 9.5". Neither side would have any interest in misleading the other, not only for everyone involved here, but for their professional reputations.
So, there's a less than 1% chance marner does not extend with the team acquiring him. Given your concern with the timeline and the fact this is essentially a 3 way trade where the biggest names are Jones to Toronto, marner to Seattle and blue-chip futures to chicago, replace the overall pick with a futures of equivalent value, like firkus plus a late 1st.
All teams address their current rosters needs and direction, and this way we can wait a full week later to complete a sign and trade for marner, hopefully putting your vivid imagination to rest here.
And by the way, the biggest difference with marner, something which can only support my point, is that unlike weegar and huberdeau, marner would not be surprised, but would actually have to have chosen to go.
Edit: To add, suggesting there is no negotiating contract extensions before July 1st is both naive and nonsensical. Why you imagine this decisions would be made with a complete lack of clarity like that is hard to understand. So sure, you could still walk to FA, but again, why would he accept a trade in that scenario? He obviously wouldn't.
I think that's enough for this circular argument though, July 1st it is.
One last thing, so long as Toronto gives permission Seattle can talk to him whenever they'd like, about whatever they'd like. They can't sign an extension until the 1st, but the idea that the NHL would try to establish that or ever hope to monitor it is out to lunch.