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Zekes Offseason Decisions

Created by: zpeds13
Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 30, 2024
Published: May 30, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$950,000
2$2,800,000
6$7,200,000
2$800,000
2$875,000
1$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$4,700,000
2$3,000,000
Trades
1.
CAR
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Roy, Joshua
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (MIN)
  4. 2024 5th round pick (SJS)
  5. 2024 7th round pick (EDM)
  6. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
  7. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
  8. 2025 4th round pick (DET)
2.
3.
MTL
  1. 2024 6th round pick (DAL)
UTA
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. 2026 1st round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the DAL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the WSH
2025
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2026
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Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$87,700,000$80,651,250$1,022,500$4,727,500$7,048,750
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 2
$7,200,000$7,200,000
RW
RFA
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
UFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$4,700,000$4,700,000
RW, LW
UFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,150,000$3,150,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$890,000$890,000
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,800,000$2,800,000
LD/RD
RFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$875,000$875,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2

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May 30 at 11:01 p.m.
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Why is Calgary adding so much money just to get worse? I'd much rather have Pospisil
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May 30 at 11:04 p.m.
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Instead of trading for 13m combined Necas and KK.....just spend that $$$$ on two UFAs and be better for it, and keep all those picks.
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May 30 at 11:29 p.m.
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To comment #1: The flames have a metric tonne of cap space, and so I figured an NBA-style salary dump could be possible (where the Flames take on a bad contract and get draft picks as compensation). In this case, it's definitely reasonable for CGY to demand more in that case, I just figured this was relatively fair - if they had any RFAs they're on the fence about, they could send that player instead of Pospisil. The core idea is to get Anderson's contract off of the books, and replaced with way less money (even a fringe NHLer who could be send to Laval, or a vet AHLer who could mentor new picks in the minors). Struble, Guhle, and Slaf are all RFAs next year, and all will command big paydays if their play continues on the trajectory they've all been on. So that's the thought behind the deal. It doesn't have to be with the Flames, this could be any team willing to take on salary (including a tanking team who needs to hit the cap floor to be cap compliant).

To comment #2: Getting Necas is complicated from what I've read. Supposedly, Carolina wants a star player for him, which the Habs really don't want to offer, since their top line and Tier-1 D prospects are non-negotiable. I figured the way for Carolina to hear the Habs out is to take KK off of their hands. Because the Canes would rather have a bona fide player rather than picks, the overpay is necessary. If the trade went through and they agreed, we buy KK out, which only carries an 825K/year-ish cap penalty, which is peanuts in comparison to the value you get from Necas (assuming he returns to form). Also, The habs wouldn't lose any of their own picks in doing this if it went according to how I set it up (Which, is fantasy land to be fair). Ultimately, I think it comes down to how much you value Necas, and I personally think he's worth more because of his timeline fit than the top UFAs this year while still being talented. If you don't think Necas is worth it, it's totally reasonable to disagree with the trade for him I set up. Admittedly, if Roy is being packaged, you probably get to keep a 3rd, 4th, and 5th from being sent, but I wanted to err on the side of being realistic instead of grossly underpaying.
May 30 at 11:49 p.m.
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To comment #1: The flames have a metric tonne of cap space, and so I figured an NBA-style salary dump could be possible (where the Flames take on a bad contract and get draft picks as compensation). In this case, it's definitely reasonable for CGY to demand more in that case, I just figured this was relatively fair - if they had any RFAs they're on the fence about, they could send that player instead of Pospisil. The core idea is to get Anderson's contract off of the books, and replaced with way less money (even a fringe NHLer who could be send to Laval, or a vet AHLer who could mentor new picks in the minors). Struble, Guhle, and Slaf are all RFAs next year, and all will command big paydays if their play continues on the trajectory they've all been on. So that's the thought behind the deal. It doesn't have to be with the Flames, this could be any team willing to take on salary (including a tanking team who needs to hit the cap floor to be cap compliant).

To comment #2: Getting Necas is complicated from what I've read. Supposedly, Carolina wants a star player for him, which the Habs really don't want to offer, since their top line and Tier-1 D prospects are non-negotiable. I figured the way for Carolina to hear the Habs out is to take KK off of their hands. Because the Canes would rather have a bona fide player rather than picks, the overpay is necessary. If the trade went through and they agreed, we buy KK out, which only carries an 825K/year-ish cap penalty, which is peanuts in comparison to the value you get from Necas (assuming he returns to form). Also, The habs wouldn't lose any of their own picks in doing this if it went according to how I set it up (Which, is fantasy land to be fair). Ultimately, I think it comes down to how much you value Necas, and I personally think he's worth more because of his timeline fit than the top UFAs this year while still being talented. If you don't think Necas is worth it, it's totally reasonable to disagree with the trade for him I set up. Admittedly, if Roy is being packaged, you probably get to keep a 3rd, 4th, and 5th from being sent, but I wanted to err on the side of being realistic instead of grossly underpaying.


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As for the Flames trade, Calgary is going to have no issue reaching the cap floor next season so they have no reason to trade the better player making 1M for the next 2 seasons just to get a measley 3rd.

If your comparable is the NBA then that pick would have to ay least be a 1st rounder
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May 31 at 5:43 a.m.
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If you are replying to someone hit the Quote button.

As for the Flames trade, Calgary is going to have no issue reaching the cap floor next season so they have no reason to trade the better player making 1M for the next 2 seasons just to get a measley 3rd.

If your comparable is the NBA then that pick would have to ay least be a 1st rounder


Thanks for the heads up for using the reply system, as this is my first time using it. I'm well aware of how the NBA salary dumps work, but am less sure about how NHL teams value picks, given the fact that there are more rounds, and far larger teams, with a better developed farm system.

How would you say that teams value picks by round (With firsts having the most variation, bc top 3-5 > lottery > Late first making more of a difference than it does in other rounds)? because I can always edit trades, and subsequently adjust the package to be more realistic.
May 31 at 5:43 a.m.
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Why is Calgary adding so much money just to get worse? I'd much rather have Pospisil


The flames have a metric tonne of cap space, and so I figured an NBA-style salary dump could be possible (where the Flames take on a bad contract and get draft picks as compensation). In this case, it's definitely reasonable for CGY to demand more in that case, I just figured this was relatively fair - if they had any RFAs they're on the fence about, they could send that player instead of Pospisil. The core idea is to get Anderson's contract off of the books, and replaced with way less money (even a fringe NHLer who could be send to Laval, or a vet AHLer who could mentor new picks in the minors). Struble, Guhle, and Slaf are all RFAs next year, and all will command big paydays if their play continues on the trajectory they've all been on. So that's the thought behind the deal. It doesn't have to be with the Flames, this could be any team willing to take on salary (including a tanking team who needs to hit the cap floor to be cap compliant).
May 31 at 5:44 a.m.
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Instead of trading for 13m combined Necas and KK.....just spend that $$$$ on two UFAs and be better for it, and keep all those picks.


Getting Necas is complicated from what I've read. Supposedly, Carolina wants a star player for him, which the Habs really don't want to offer, since their top line and Tier-1 D prospects are non-negotiable. I figured the way for Carolina to hear the Habs out is for them to take KK off of their hands. Because the Canes would rather have a bona fide player rather than picks, the overpay is necessary. If the trade went through and they agreed, we buy KK out, which only carries an 825K/year-ish cap penalty, which is peanuts in comparison to the value you get from Necas (assuming he returns to form). Also, The habs wouldn't lose any of their own picks in doing this if it went according to how I set it up (Which, is fantasy land to be fair). Ultimately, I think it comes down to how much you value Necas, and I personally think he's worth more because of his timeline fit than the top UFAs this year while still being talented. If you don't think Necas is worth it, it's totally reasonable to disagree with the trade for him I set up. Admittedly, if Roy is being packaged, you probably get to keep a 3rd, 4th, and 5th from being sent, but I wanted to err on the side of being realistic instead of grossly underpaying.
May 31 at 6:15 a.m.
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Thanks for the heads up for using the reply system, as this is my first time using it. I'm well aware of how the NBA salary dumps work, but am less sure about how NHL teams value picks, given the fact that there are more rounds, and far larger teams, with a better developed farm system.

How would you say that teams value picks by round (With firsts having the most variation, bc top 3-5 > lottery > Late first making more of a difference than it does in other rounds)? because I can always edit trades, and subsequently adjust the package to be more realistic.


Very hard to compare because the NBA has a lot more rules related to their draft like how can trade picks 7 years out vs only 3 (+conditional 1) in the NHL, also how you a 1st every other year. Also NHL drafts players at age 17/18 vs to be eligible for the NBA draft you have to do at least 1 year of NCAA/G-League. I would say though if you wanted a simple answer the 2 rounds of NBA draft are probably equivalent to about the first 3 rounds of NHL drafts. But NBA drafties are more developed when they are drafted.

As for cap dumps, the NBA simply has a far bigger annual income and due to their soft cap, luxury tax line, and Apron lines the difference in what each team can spend on their roster each season varies dramatically. This results in it being much easier to dump contracts in the NBA. Then factor in the difference in roster size too and it's really just not comparable at all.

If you're trying to learn the cap structure in the NHL and how it's used it's best to probably ignore the NBA's entirely.
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May 31 at 7:02 a.m.
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Very hard to compare because the NBA has a lot more rules related to their draft like how can trade picks 7 years out vs only 3 (+conditional 1) in the NHL, also how you a 1st every other year. Also NHL drafts players at age 17/18 vs to be eligible for the NBA draft you have to do at least 1 year of NCAA/G-League. I would say though if you wanted a simple answer the 2 rounds of NBA draft are probably equivalent to about the first 3 rounds of NHL drafts. But NBA drafties are more developed when they are drafted.

As for cap dumps, the NBA simply has a far bigger annual income and due to their soft cap, luxury tax line, and Apron lines the difference in what each team can spend on their roster each season varies dramatically. This results in it being much easier to dump contracts in the NBA. Then factor in the difference in roster size too and it's really just not comparable at all.

If you're trying to learn the cap structure in the NHL and how it's used it's best to probably ignore the NBA's entirely.



Made an adjustment so that the salary dump still happens while getting back less value to a much weaker team than Calgary, lmk if that seems more realistic.
May 31 at 7:35 a.m.
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Made an adjustment so that the salary dump still happens while getting back less value to a much weaker team than Calgary, lmk if that seems more realistic.


In the NHL there's a hard cap, so teams value it quite a bit more than in the NBA. For example Calgary paid MTL a 1st for MTL to take Monahan 1yr x $6.3M. Anderson is going to cost MTL at least a 1st round pick to move. He plays like a replacement level player, so he is overpaid by about $4.5M x 3.
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May 31 at 7:52 p.m.
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In the NHL there's a hard cap, so teams value it quite a bit more than in the NBA. For example Calgary paid MTL a 1st for MTL to take Monahan 1yr x $6.3M. Anderson is going to cost MTL at least a 1st round pick to move. He plays like a replacement level player, so he is overpaid by about $4.5M x 3.


Fair point, flipped it to a first
May 31 at 7:58 p.m.
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Very hard to compare because the NBA has a lot more rules related to their draft like how can trade picks 7 years out vs only 3 (+conditional 1) in the NHL, also how you a 1st every other year. Also NHL drafts players at age 17/18 vs to be eligible for the NBA draft you have to do at least 1 year of NCAA/G-League. I would say though if you wanted a simple answer the 2 rounds of NBA draft are probably equivalent to about the first 3 rounds of NHL drafts. But NBA drafties are more developed when they are drafted.

As for cap dumps, the NBA simply has a far bigger annual income and due to their soft cap, luxury tax line, and Apron lines the difference in what each team can spend on their roster each season varies dramatically. This results in it being much easier to dump contracts in the NBA. Then factor in the difference in roster size too and it's really just not comparable at all.

If you're trying to learn the cap structure in the NHL and how it's used it's best to probably ignore the NBA's entirely.



Swapped the pick to a first to make it realistic - out of genuine curiosity, what do you think of the actual roster construction? Are there any changes you would make?
May 31 at 10:06 p.m.
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Swapped the pick to a first to make it realistic - out of genuine curiosity, what do you think of the actual roster construction? Are there any changes you would make?


I think it would be foolish of Montreal to rush their rebuild, they have a young D-core with a lot of potential (Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle, and Mailloux) but they will take about 3 more seasons to really establish themselves. But right now that D-core is just going to get eaten alive
 
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