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Initial Creation Date: May 31, 2024
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then next year target a goalie and a 2C and pray. tavares takes league min or walks. Just pray this works. Assuming the cap jumps up to 90 million (might be more) the following year, the leafs would have about 22 million to resign tavares, knies, mccabe, robertson, woll, holmberg (lol) as well as another backup goalie. They can afford to go get a good goalie and a 2C for sure.
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May 31 at 6:36 p.m.
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I have a hard time seeing Nashville moving both L'Heaureux and Molendyk for someone on an expiring contract. Replace one with Tomasino and then it's probably more reasonable.

Also you need at least a couple guys in your bottom 6 that can produce offense
May 31 at 6:41 p.m.
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Why would Preds do that trade? They are better just to keep those young assets and spend 11m on UFA(s). Why does Marner waive in his contract year.
May 31 at 6:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I have a hard time seeing Nashville moving both L'Heaureux and Molendyk for someone on an expiring contract. Replace one with Tomasino and then it's probably more reasonable.

Also you need at least a couple guys in your bottom 6 that can produce offense


It's just place stupidity to think Marner doesn't get moved with a contract in place. He's got a NMC, why would he waive it to go to a team he doesn't want to sign with? Simply, he won't. So if he gets moved it's with a contract in place. This is the Tkachuk situation again. RFA or UFA doesn't matter, Marner will only go somewhere he wants to be. It's simple logic, and anyone saying otherwise just wants to see TO lose a trade by a massive margin. You have demonstrated a large anti Leaf bias on several occasions so we all know you are ignoring logic to fuel your desire to see the leafs get hosed.
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May 31 at 6:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I have a hard time seeing Nashville moving both L'Heaureux and Molendyk for someone on an expiring contract. Replace one with Tomasino and then it's probably more reasonable.

Also you need at least a couple guys in your bottom 6 that can produce offense


Forgot to mention it would have to come with an extension! Also remember these guys are just prospects, so they can either become good or become nothing, its a gamble. In this way, nashville does not touch their roster and is able to fully compete. A first line of Forsberg - Oreilly - Marner would be one of the best in the league and can carry them very far, still having saros and their young goalie. Hopefully cowan, mcmann and L'heureux can produce our offense lol, again its a gamble. My main goal was to free up a lot of money so when tavares 11M is off the books, the team can add even more. If Nashville wont move both L'heureux and molendyk, id rather just take L'heureux i think he is going to be really good.
May 31 at 6:50 p.m.
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It's just place stupidity to think Marner doesn't get moved with a contract in place. He's got a NMC, why would he waive it to go to a team he doesn't want to sign with? Simply, he won't. So if he gets moved it's with a contract in place. This is the Tkachuk situation again. RFA or UFA doesn't matter, Marner will only go somewhere he wants to be. It's simple logic, and anyone saying otherwise just wants to see TO lose a trade by a massive margin. You have demonstrated a large anti Leaf bias on several occasions so we all know you are ignoring logic to fuel your desire to see the leafs get hosed.


I think Marner would go to nashville -- Smaller market, fun place to be, seems like he would love it there, but you are right. Its fully in marners hands. He can demand to stay in Toronto and he probably will! This is just what I would do if he chose to submit a trade list and one of them was nashville.
May 31 at 6:53 p.m.
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Why would Preds do that trade? They are better just to keep those young assets and spend 11m on UFA(s). Why does Marner waive in his contract year.


Why do you hate marner so much, arent you a leafs fan? Nashville isnt losing much, they have a good amount of prospects. You dont find guys like mitch very often. You can say he sucks in the playoffs, but last year he was great against tampa. He is going to go to a different team and absolutely light it up for them. I feel like GMs know this and would be willing to pay the price. The nashville trade isnt even that steep of a price as they are only losing a third liner, and two prospects who MIGHT be something?
May 31 at 6:54 p.m.
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Forgot to mention it would have to come with an extension! Also remember these guys are just prospects, so they can either become good or become nothing, its a gamble. In this way, nashville does not touch their roster and is able to fully compete. A first line of Forsberg - Oreilly - Marner would be one of the best in the league and can carry them very far, still having saros and their young goalie. Hopefully cowan, mcmann and L'heureux can produce our offense lol, again its a gamble. My main goal was to free up a lot of money so when tavares 11M is off the books, the team can add even more. If Nashville wont move both L'heureux and molendyk, id rather just take L'heureux i think he is going to be really good.


The extension is not up to Toronto, that is a decision made after a trade.

As for the prospects, the difference is the team control and waiver exemption. Nashville is very high on both of those prospects in particular and both are exempt from waivers for like 4 more years.

I think it is highly unlikely that Cowen and L'Heaureux are NHL ready for next season, banking on them to carry your bottom 6 is unrealistic. McMann is decent but he is not a play driver
May 31 at 7:00 p.m.
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The extension is not up to Toronto, that is a decision made after a trade.

As for the prospects, the difference is the team control and waiver exemption. Nashville is very high on both of those prospects in particular and both are exempt from waivers for like 4 more years.

I think it is highly unlikely that Cowen and L'Heaureux are NHL ready for next season, banking on them to carry your bottom 6 is unrealistic. McMann is decent but he is not a play driver


Well believe it or not its probably the same amount of skill our bottom 6 had this year so whatever. We really need to focus on fixing our Defence. Not all areas are going to be fixed. You are right though, our bottom 6 will struggle to produce offense if it is like this. Cowan and L'heuruex may not even be NHLers that is very very true. Leafs have guys in the marlies who can fill in i guess, including holmberg and nick robertson. Also extensions can happen before the trade, look at the dubois trade for example! The extension occurs with the marner being aware of the trade. Again marner would have to agree to all of this, which may be a longshot. But if he decides hed be okay with nashville, I think this trade would be a decent idea. This trade was made with the purpose of taking no players with cap back so the leafs can address their D this offseason!
May 31 at 7:05 p.m.
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Marner trade who knows, but leaving that aside roster construction with new cap room is not too good. Pesce - no thx, overrated and way too much $ & term. Same for Zadorov. Roy - yes & add Tanev at $4M & maybe a vet to play bottom pair with Benoit for $2M.
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May 31 at 7:15 p.m.
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Why do you hate marner so much, arent you a leafs fan? Nashville isnt losing much, they have a good amount of prospects. You dont find guys like mitch very often. You can say he sucks in the playoffs, but last year he was great against tampa. He is going to go to a different team and absolutely light it up for them. I feel like GMs know this and would be willing to pay the price. The nashville trade isnt even that steep of a price as they are only losing a third liner, and two prospects who MIGHT be something?


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Why do you hate marner so much, arent you a leafs fan? Nashville isnt losing much, they have a good amount of prospects. You dont find guys like mitch very often. You can say he sucks in the playoffs, but last year he was great against tampa. He is going to go to a different team and absolutely light it up for them. I feel like GMs know this and would be willing to pay the price. The nashville trade isnt even that steep of a price as they are only losing a third liner, and two prospects who MIGHT be something?


I don't hate Marner at all. Now, I don't think he worthy of an 11m contract...but that's OK. I have never said he sucks in the playoffs. But he should not be the 9th highest paid player in the league. Why would he light it on a different team? He's surrounded by Matthews, Nylander, Tavares and a top 3 PP. He'll never be better statisically then he is now with the Leafs
But you just don't understand trade value. First why would Marner waive to Nashville in his contract year? He's better to stay a Leaf and pump up numbers.
Why did you trade one year of Marner? So you could use the departed cap to sign two UFAs to term. So wouldn't Nashville be infinitely better to keep those young assets, sign two UFAs (like you did) instead of one year of Marner.
It's kinda funny that to many Leafs "homers" want to trade Marner to spend his cap better on other players and get picks. But no consideration of the other team (in this case Nashville) for the construction of their roster. 99% of these homer Leaf trades never show "the other team" and the additional 10m (in this case that Nashville ) and how it's fits into their salary cap.

I think the reason so many Leaf fans want to trade Marner now is they think they entitled to a return before he leaves as a UFA. Take a look at the roster you just posted, You signed four UFAs from other teams and didn't give anything to obtain them.

And please no silly extension talk. They happen so infrequently, especially on year out from being a UFA. 94 points, 48 goal scorer Forsberg gets paid 8.5m. Do you think Nashville is paying Marner much more than that in an extension?
May 31 at 7:16 p.m.
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Why do you hate marner so much, arent you a leafs fan? Nashville isnt losing much, they have a good amount of prospects. You dont find guys like mitch very often. You can say he sucks in the playoffs, but last year he was great against tampa. He is going to go to a different team and absolutely light it up for them. I feel like GMs know this and would be willing to pay the price. The nashville trade isnt even that steep of a price as they are only losing a third liner, and two prospects who MIGHT be something?


Nashville’s 1C is RoR... a player that was brought in to be 3C at the trade deadline for Toronto. He isnt going to be the 100ish point player that Toronto is accustomed to. Nashville spending this amount of futures for him would be foolish.
May 31 at 7:24 p.m.
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I don't hate Marner at all. Now, I don't think he worthy of an 11m contract...but that's OK. I have never said he sucks in the playoffs. But he should not be the 9th highest paid player in the league. Why would he light it on a different team? He's surrounded by Matthews, Nylander, Tavares and a top 3 PP. He'll never be better statisically then he is now with the Leafs
But you just don't understand trade value. First why would Marner waive to Nashville in his contract year? He's better to stay a Leaf and pump up numbers.
Why did you trade one year of Marner? So you could use the departed cap to sign two UFAs to term. So wouldn't Nashville be infinitely better to keep those young assets, sign two UFAs (like you did) instead of one year of Marner.
It's kinda funny that to many Leafs "homers" want to trade Marner to spend his cap better on other players and get picks. But no consideration of the other team (in this case Nashville) for the construction of their roster. 99% of these homer Leaf trades never show "the other team" and the additional 10m (in this case that Nashville ) and how it's fits into their salary cap.

I think the reason so many Leaf fans want to trade Marner now is they think they entitled to a return before he leaves as a UFA. Take a look at the roster you just posted, You signed four UFAs from other teams and didn't give anything to obtain them.

And please no silly extension talk. They happen so infrequently, especially on year out from being a UFA. 94 points, 48 goal scorer Forsberg gets paid 8.5m. Do you think Nashville is paying Marner much more than that in an extension?


I see where you are coming from. I guess a marner trade only goes down if a team believes he is worth that 11.5 m +. Colombus was willing to give him that years ago. Maybe that has changed who knows? I just believe that the skill that marner possesses, it is very hard to find, and that indeed he may only be worth 8-9 million, but teams are willing to spend that extra 2 million to get him. Toronto has too many of those players nylander and matthews) and cannot sustain another one, and they need to let one go. Teams recongize that and might try to lowball toronto, in which toronto can just keep marner. If nashville even just offers those two prospects and a mid pick, id probably say yes to that anywyas. Anyways, I personally think it is reasonable to believe teams would trade a good bit to have marner / the chance to sign marner. Now for him to waive his NMC in his contract year might be a stretch, but maybe he does it if there is an extension in place? You say those extensions dont usually occur, but who knows, Toronto always finds a way to get strange things done!
May 31 at 7:27 p.m.
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Marner trade who knows, but leaving that aside roster construction with new cap room is not too good. Pesce - no thx, overrated and way too much $ & term. Same for Zadorov. Roy - yes & add Tanev at $4M & maybe a vet to play bottom pair with Benoit for $2M.
Sign Duchene in place of Jankowski with the extra $;


You might have a point about pesce and zadorov, especially zadorov. Brad loves "size" though which is why I did that. Hes the type of gm to go after zadorov (calgary), and pesce also fits that criteria and is right handed. Ima alright with your suggestion as well!
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May 31 at 7:31 p.m.
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I see where you are coming from. I guess a marner trade only goes down if a team believes he is worth that 11.5 m +. Colombus was willing to give him that years ago. Maybe that has changed who knows? I just believe that the skill that marner possesses, it is very hard to find, and that indeed he may only be worth 8-9 million, but teams are willing to spend that extra 2 million to get him. Toronto has too many of those players nylander and matthews) and cannot sustain another one, and they need to let one go. Teams recongize that and might try to lowball toronto, in which toronto can just keep marner. If nashville even just offers those two prospects and a mid pick, id probably say yes to that anywyas. Anyways, I personally think it is reasonable to believe teams would trade a good bit to have marner / the chance to sign marner. Now for him to waive his NMC in his contract year might be a stretch, but maybe he does it if there is an extension in place? You say those extensions dont usually occur, but who knows, Toronto always finds a way to get strange things done!


How's this scenario.....and you maybe think it's crazy, but I think it's fair. If the Leafs keep 11m Marner they have enough cap to sign two 2m bottom enders. 15m for three positions.
Let's image Marner waives and the Leafs get NOTHING in return. Leafs could sign three 5m players with term? Would the Leafs be better in this scenario? But that is why I think Marner's cap value is so low when no cap is being returned to the Leafs. Teams just spend his 11m on UFAs with term, instead of one year of Marner.
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May 31 at 8:05 p.m.
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How's this scenario.....and you maybe think it's crazy, but I think it's fair. If the Leafs keep 11m Marner they have enough cap to sign two 2m bottom enders. 15m for three positions.
Let's image Marner waives and the Leafs get NOTHING in return. Leafs could sign three 5m players with term? Would the Leafs be better in this scenario? But that is why I think Marner's cap value is so low when no cap is being returned to the Leafs. Teams just spend his 11m on UFAs with term, instead of one year of Marner.


But aren’t there more than two options:
1/ he isn’t trade and walks as a FA
He is traded as a rental so minimal return
How about:
3/ he isn’t traded and signs an extension (my preferred option, understand it won’t be everyone’s)
4/ he is traded with an extension in place

If he is moved, #4 is far more likely than #2. Marner has full control here - I can’t see him waiving to play somewhere for one year (in a contract year) so far more likely he only moves with extension in place or agreement that he signs extension; exact same situation as Tkachuk and Dubois.
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But aren’t there more than two options:
1/ he isn’t trade and walks as a FA
He is traded as a rental so minimal return
How about:
3/ he isn’t traded and signs an extension (my preferred option, understand it won’t be everyone’s)
4/ he is traded with an extension in place

If he is moved, #4 is far more likely than #2. Marner has full control here - I can’t see him waiving to play somewhere for one year (in a contract year) so far more likely he only moves with extension in place or agreement that he signs extension; exact same situation as Tkachuk and Dubois.


The Leafs probably won't be in the mood for a rental trade as the Leafs will going for it, especially since they don't have any picks in the first four rounds in 2025.
Yeah the Tkachuk/Dubois scenario could happen. I wonder what Marner's negotiating strategy will be. He's really a 9.5m player right now, and with his reputation (right or wrong) as a non playoff performer and really wonder how 32 GMs perceive his value.....but it only take one doesn't it to overpay.
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How's this scenario.....and you maybe think it's crazy, but I think it's fair. If the Leafs keep 11m Marner they have enough cap to sign two 2m bottom enders. 15m for three positions.
Let's image Marner waives and the Leafs get NOTHING in return. Leafs could sign three 5m players with term? Would the Leafs be better in this scenario? But that is why I think Marner's cap value is so low when no cap is being returned to the Leafs. Teams just spend his 11m on UFAs with term, instead of one year of Marner.


Thats a good scenario as well. I agree we should not trade marner if it isnt for a haul. I would hope to keep domi/bertuzzi as the 5m guys. What do you think in your opinion he would get in a trade return if he did choose to waive his nmc? I was pretty suprised at what tkachuk got, especially knowing he did not want to resign in calgary.
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Thats a good scenario as well. I agree we should not trade marner if it isnt for a haul. I would hope to keep domi/bertuzzi as the 5m guys. What do you think in your opinion he would get in a trade return if he did choose to waive his nmc? I was pretty suprised at what tkachuk got, especially knowing he did not want to resign in calgary.


IMO the Flames got a good/great return on Tkachuk. One year of MT of one year of Huberdeau, Weager and first rounder. Of course where the Flames screwed was to resign the soon to be aging Huberdeau to a eight year contract...to 10.5m. Even Weager who has been good, is his contract going to hold up well long term.
Florida had arranged to resign RFA MT for 9.5m....which is really what he should have been signed for. Marner makes 11m....and unless he wants to sign long term for about 9.75m which is his $$$ value, where is trade value for any team?

Utah might be only team that has a spot/cap for Marner.....and really Marner doesn't waive without a contract. IMO the Leafs and Utah would be best served with Utah giving up picks...which they have plenty.
 
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