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2019-20 Leafs With Big3, Gardiner and James Neal

Created by: Billius
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 31, 2017
Published: Jul. 31, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
1. Signed Matthews, Nylander, and Marner for 10.8, 7.3, 7.3. Signed UFA's Neal, Gardiner
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
2$800,000
3$700,000
2$700,000
8$7,300,000
8$7,300,000
2$700,000
2$700,000
4$2,250,000
8$10,800,000
2$700,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
$4.5M Carryover, Bonus Overage
1$4,500,000
3$5,000,000
6$5,900,000
Trades
1.
TOR
    Future Considerations
    VGK
    1. Martin, Matt
    2. 2020 5th round pick (TOR)
    2.
    TOR
      Future Considerations
      ARI
      1. Marleau, Patrick
      2. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
      Retained Salary Transactions
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2020
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      2021
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      2022
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      24$77,000,000$76,908,333$0$715,000$91,667
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 4
      $10,800,000$10,800,000
      C
      UFA - 5
      $7,300,000$7,300,000
      RW
      UFA - 6
      $700,000$700,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 1
      $7,300,000$7,300,000
      RW
      UFA - 5
      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 1
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      C
      M-NTC
      UFA - 3
      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      RW
      UFA - 3
      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      RW, LW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      $759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
      C
      UFA - 1
      $700,000$700,000
      RW
      UFA
      $925,000$925,000
      LW, RW
      RFA - 1
      $4.5M Carryover, Bonus Overage
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      $700,000$700,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 4
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      $5,900,000$5,900,000
      LD
      UFA - 4
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 5
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      G
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 3
      $800,000$800,000
      LD
      UFA - 2
      $700,000$700,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      $863,333$863,333
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
      $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
      RD
      RFA - 3
      $700,000$700,000
      LD
      UFA - 1
      $697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
      LD
      UFA - 1
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      $5,300,000$5,300,000
      RW
      M-NTC, NMC
      UFA - 1

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      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:04 p.m.
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      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's
      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      Thanks for input. I worked on the assumption that Marleau would waive his NTC in the final year and Arizona might find a 4th round pick plus an actual salary hit of only $1.25M attractive. especially if it helps them get to the cap floor.

      As far as Matthews, he's not near the same level that McDavid reached (Hart, 100 points) and McDavid got $12.5M, so I was thinking $10.8M was realistic.

      Yeah defence is still not ideal, but if Liljegren comes on strong, he can take the #4 spot hopefully. Last year was Zaitsev's rookie year, so I expect more from him this year.
      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:29 p.m.
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      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      Idiotic post to say the least.
      1. His contract in the final year is ~$1million, although his cap hit is 6.5. A team that is looking to hit the cap floor and save money during a rebuild would gladly take someone like that on.
      2. Hes on a 35+ contract which means his Buyout cost would result in the same cap hit, so they would never/ can't buy him out.
      3. Saying Matthews contract will be over $11.5 is premature, no one has any idea how he will perform in the next 2 seasons and he would need to contend with McDavid for points to get 12+. I think 10.5-11.5 is where he realistically falls.
      4. I know from previous posts that you live in your "Habs are the best and the leafs suck" bubble and don't really look to much into in this instance, the prospect pool. 5/8 D-men on that roster are, or are touted to be at a minimum Top-4 D-men (Gardiner, Zaitsev, Rielly, Dermott, Liljegren). The other 3 are unproven, but look to at least establish themselves as bonafide NHLers eventually. They will be good cheap depth guys if anything.

      @ OP, I don't really think a then 33 year old James Neal will help the roster all too much on the back end of his career. I feel like that $5m could be used more efficiently for depth or saving for Dermott/Liljegrens bridge deals.
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      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:33 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billius
      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      Thanks for input. I worked on the assumption that Marleau would waive his NTC in the final year and Arizona might find a 4th round pick plus an actual salary hit of only $1.25M attractive. especially if it helps them get to the cap floor.

      As far as Matthews, he's not near the same level that McDavid reached (Hart, 100 points) and McDavid got $12.5M, so I was thinking $10.8M was realistic.

      Yeah defence is still not ideal, but if Liljegren comes on strong, he can take the #4 spot hopefully. Last year was Zaitsev's rookie year, so I expect more from him this year.


      yeah maybe. but marleaus contract is gonna be hard for anyone to take. look what teams gave up to vegas to take bad contracts.
      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:40 p.m.
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      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      As you know, Marleau's contract is heavily front loaded, and his actual cash cost is 1m in his third year. The bigger issues for the Leafs would be in Marleau wanted to stay in Toronto or would he prefer to play his last NHL season in Arizona or whatever team would take him. Martin's contract is heavily front loaded also.
      A team would rather get have their caps "wrecked" because they give up contracts to deserving players. They can always trade one. Over the years we have seen countless number of teams wreck their cap chasing and paying non deserving UFAs, because they failed to have a good ELC/RFA pipeline to the NHL.
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      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: CameronLeafs
      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      Idiotic post to say the least.
      1. His contract in the final year is ~$1million, although his cap hit is 6.5. A team that is looking to hit the cap floor and save money during a rebuild would gladly take someone like that on.
      2. Hes on a 35+ contract which means his Buyout cost would result in the same cap hit, so they would never/ can't buy him out.
      3. Saying Matthews contract will be over $11.5 is premature, no one has any idea how he will perform in the next 2 seasons and he would need to contend with McDavid for points to get 12+. I think 10.5-11.5 is where he realistically falls.
      4. I know from previous posts that you live in your "Habs are the best and the leafs suck" bubble and don't really look to much into in this instance, the prospect pool. 5/8 D-men on that roster are, or are touted to be at a minimum Top-4 D-men (Gardiner, Zaitsev, Rielly, Dermott, Liljegren). The other 3 are unproven, but look to at least establish themselves as bonafide NHLers eventually. They will be good cheap depth guys if anything.

      @ OP, I don't really think a then 33 year old James Neal will help the roster all too much on the back end of his career. I feel like that $5m could be used more efficiently for depth or saving for Dermott/Liljegrens bridge deals.


      Leaf haters are so realistic aren' they. When they were bad "it because you spend too much money on crappy players". which is true. Now when it looks like the Leafs have good players. its "oh your team going to. be crap because they have to pay all those good players so much money."

      As side note. I don't believe Matthews is eligible for arbitration so I don't why the Leafs will be forced to sign him to sign large $$$ or term contract. Of course he is eligible for an offer sheet, which certainly will up his contact to what....9, 10, 11 or more, who knows.
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      Jul. 31, 2017 at 8:54 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billius
      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      Thanks for input. I worked on the assumption that Marleau would waive his NTC in the final year and Arizona might find a 4th round pick plus an actual salary hit of only $1.25M attractive. especially if it helps them get to the cap floor.

      As far as Matthews, he's not near the same level that McDavid reached (Hart, 100 points) and McDavid got $12.5M, so I was thinking $10.8M was realistic.

      Yeah defence is still not ideal, but if Liljegren comes on strong, he can take the #4 spot hopefully. Last year was Zaitsev's rookie year, so I expect more from him this year.


      Of course Leaf haters always point to the Leafs average to poor of last year which indicates they will never to Cup contenders. Look like the Pens did with their no name defence last spring. Cup winners.
      Look what star studded defence Caps did last year. Lost in the second. round. Tampa. LA, Arizona with three of the top Dmen in the league....out of the playoffs.
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      Jul. 31, 2017 at 9:34 p.m.
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      Quoting: CameronLeafs
      Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
      no body is going to take marleaus contract. leafs made a mistake signing him to 3 years. if u buy him out, other ufa's who are vets are gonna see that and avoid signing there. u just gotta live with him. Also matthews contract will be a minimum 11.5m but that number could rise considering what eichels cap number is. also the cap number won't be able to keep up with the amount of contracts u give up. ur defense is still average, and ur gonna get wrecked with those 3 big contracts. u cant live off elc's


      Idiotic post to say the least.
      1. His contract in the final year is ~$1million, although his cap hit is 6.5. A team that is looking to hit the cap floor and save money during a rebuild would gladly take someone like that on.
      2. Hes on a 35+ contract which means his Buyout cost would result in the same cap hit, so they would never/ can't buy him out.
      3. Saying Matthews contract will be over $11.5 is premature, no one has any idea how he will perform in the next 2 seasons and he would need to contend with McDavid for points to get 12+. I think 10.5-11.5 is where he realistically falls.
      4. I know from previous posts that you live in your "Habs are the best and the leafs suck" bubble and don't really look to much into in this instance, the prospect pool. 5/8 D-men on that roster are, or are touted to be at a minimum Top-4 D-men (Gardiner, Zaitsev, Rielly, Dermott, Liljegren). The other 3 are unproven, but look to at least establish themselves as bonafide NHLers eventually. They will be good cheap depth guys if anything.

      @ OP, I don't really think a then 33 year old James Neal will help the roster all too much on the back end of his career. I feel like that $5m could be used more efficiently for depth or saving for Dermott/Liljegrens bridge deals.


      I was scouting the available LW UFA's that could complement Matthews on the top line for ~ $5M. You're right, Neal is getting older by then. The left side just didn't look strong enough. True about the bridge deals, I had really not thought that far ahead at this point. Thanks for suggestion.
       
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