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On the hypothesis of a Boston Carolina Trade

Created by: Caniac555
Team: 2024-25 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 4, 2024
Published: Jun. 4, 2024
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Pastah Postahs on here won’t like it, but Carlo makes more sense for the Canes than Ullmark. Value around the edges here might need to be decided…
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2024
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2025
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16$87,700,000$63,675,000$0$0$24,025,000
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RFA - 3
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$905,833$905,833 ($0$0$0$0)
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Jun. 4 at 5:44 p.m.
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I like Brazeau, he could be another Noesen
Jun. 4 at 5:49 p.m.
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I like it but assume Bs won’t bc it opens up a hole for them
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Jun. 4 at 5:51 p.m.
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I like it but assume Bs won’t bc it opens up a hole for them


Yeah. Not like we don't need quality wingers either, but at the end of the day I think Carlo leaves a bigger hole than Necas fills.
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Jun. 4 at 5:54 p.m.
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Rather just sign a free agent winger than give up Carlo with his contract. It’s probably the deepest position in free agency and I’m comfortable we’ll get a good return on Ullmark.

Open to a Ullmark, Lysell, and pick exchange because of age but Im also not crazy about the contract plus the rumors of him wanting to play center. Is there self awareness of his shortcomings?
Jun. 4 at 5:56 p.m.
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Carlo for Necas 1 for 1 is fair. Not happening, but fair.
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Jun. 4 at 5:57 p.m.
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Rather just sign a free agent winger than give up Carlo with his contract. It’s probably the deepest position in free agency and I’m comfortable we’ll get a good return on Ullmark.

Open to a Ullmark, Lysell, and pick exchange because of age but Im also not crazy about the contract plus the rumors of him wanting to play center. Is there self awareness of his shortcomings?


I don’t think there’s enough self awareness personally. I think it’s fair to want first line and PP minutes but it clearly hasn’t worked at C and if RBA can’t turn him into one idk who can.

Especially when you look at Jarvis who doesn’t have the natural skill set and frame that Necas does but he’s really bought in to what the team wants out of him and has become a beast and likely will end up playing some center as early as next year.
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Jun. 4 at 6:03 p.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
I don’t think there’s enough self awareness personally. I think it’s fair to want first line and PP minutes but it clearly hasn’t worked at C and if RBA can’t turn him into one idk who can.

Especially when you look at Jarvis who doesn’t have the natural skill set and frame that Necas does but he’s really bought in to what the team wants out of him and has become a beast and likely will end up playing some center as early as next year.


He’s not alone in this league. There are plenty of young players that grew up being the best and having coaches concede things because they don’t have a better option. I think Lysell has some of that too, though I thought he turned a corner in Providence last year using his speed to create opportunities for teammates.

Either way, I like Necas. I can understand why Carolina is open to moving on from him rather than giving him a long term contract
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Jun. 4 at 6:05 p.m.
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He’s not alone in this league. There are plenty of young players that grew up being the best and having coaches concede things because they don’t have a better option. I think Lysell has some of that too, though I thought he turned a corner in Providence last year using his speed to create opportunities for teammates.

Either way, I like Necas. I can understand why Carolina is open to moving on from him rather than giving him a long term contract


I will say Necas seemed to commit to a more interior game the second half of season after coming back from a minor injury which was nice to see. Idk if that means he’s committing more to anything or it was a random occurrence but maybe he wanted to show case he is capable of more than just speed.
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Jun. 4 at 6:09 p.m.
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Degrading my own argument here a bit, but I left last season (22-23) with a more positive view on Necas and his possibility of moving to center ice. I only saw a solidifying of him being a wing this year. RBA and his staff basically deleted him from the PK, promoted Jarvis over him in all situations.

If someone wants to make Necas a center, take a run at it. Maybe Patrice can come out of retirement and show Necas the ropes. RBA and Staal couldn’t do it.

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I will say Necas seemed to commit to a more interior game the second half of season after coming back from a minor injury which was nice to see. Idk if that means he’s committing more to anything or it was a random occurrence but maybe he wanted to show case he is capable of more than just speed.
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Jun. 4 at 6:13 p.m.
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Degrading my own argument here a bit, but I left last season (22-23) with a more positive view on Necas and his possibility of moving to center ice. I only saw a solidifying of him being a wing this year. RBA and his staff basically deleted him from the PK, promoted Jarvis over him in all situations.

If someone wants to make Necas a center, take a run at it. Maybe Patrice can come out of retirement and show Necas the ropes. RBA and Staal couldn’t do it.


Yeah I don’t think he can turn into a legit C. Best thing I could see for him in CAR is letting him play top line min with Aho and Guentz on the wing. If that’s not enough than honestly he can pound sand. I also don’t think it’s reasonable for him to be locked in there unless he continues to work on his all around game and continues to produce. With guys like Jarvis and Svech and some young guys with high potential that spot can’t just be given to him and his attitude doesn’t scream hard worker like a Jarvis or Svech does.
Jun. 4 at 6:25 p.m.
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its just an absolute starter for boston. they build their organization around the blue line, and carlo is a huge part of that. he's going to be more important than any defensively deficient winger, no matter how offensively talented they are.
Jun. 4 at 6:26 p.m.
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canes just keep Pesce and get another bottom end RH FO guy elsewhere. this doesnt do much. Carlo isnt a match and doesnt have the control needed to move Necas
Jun. 4 at 7:15 p.m.
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Carlo for Necas 1 for 1 is fair. Not happening, but fair.


Not when you look at the salary it will take to sign Necas. Carlo does a lot more for roster building.

I’m comfortable, I can find a FA F who can produce close to Necas for 7.5M

I’m comfortable, I can’t find a FA D who can produce close to Carlo for 4.1M
Jun. 4 at 7:58 p.m.
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Not when you look at the salary it will take to sign Necas. Carlo does a lot more for roster building.

I’m comfortable, I can find a FA F who can produce close to Necas for 7.5M

I’m comfortable, I can’t find a FA D who can produce close to Carlo for 4.1M


True, but i was talking player attribute wise, 1 for 1 is fair. But Boston is not doing it, for exactly the reasons you stated.
Jun. 4 at 7:59 p.m.
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You are kinda making my point for me. Now, go make this point to the rest of those posting Ullmark for 2C Necas posts.

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its just an absolute starter for boston. they build their organization around the blue line, and carlo is a huge part of that. he's going to be more important than any defensively deficient winger, no matter how offensively talented they are.
Jun. 4 at 8:00 p.m.
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Again to my point…this is why the Canes would do this. It’s as fair of an argument as the Canes not trading Necas for Ullmark.

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Not when you look at the salary it will take to sign Necas. Carlo does a lot more for roster building.

I’m comfortable, I can find a FA F who can produce close to Necas for 7.5M

I’m comfortable, I can’t find a FA D who can produce close to Carlo for 4.1M
Jun. 4 at 9:08 p.m.
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Again to my point…this is why the Canes would do this. It’s as fair of an argument as the Canes not trading Necas for Ullmark.


I’ve actually stated that I think Boston would have to add Lysell and a 2025 first to make it viable. Even then, it’s subjective and I can seen them getting more.

Then again, I believe when you look at Andersen’s age and the fact that he’s coming off a concerning medical condition; there is an argument to do something like this. Others may disagree.

GSaX by moneypuck and evolving hockey both put Ullmark as significantly better than Pyotr last year and Andersen over the last two years. Don’t read too much into 16 game samples either way.
Jun. 5 at 9:05 a.m.
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You are kinda making my point for me. Now, go make this point to the rest of those posting Ullmark for 2C Necas posts.


1. how is that making your point for you?
2. the ullmark for Necas posts are stupid too
3. i personally think necas to boston is a stupid concept.
Jun. 5 at 10:33 a.m.
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You are making my point that a good defender on a good contract would help the Canes (and Boston for that matter) more than taking a chance on Necas. My post was making the point that the Canes should be turning Necas into multiple pieces on good/decent contract - not a goalie.

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1. how is that making your point for you?
2. the ullmark for Necas posts are stupid too
3. i personally think necas to boston is a stupid concept.
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