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Created by: avrush21
Team: 2024-25 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 2, 2024
Published: Jun. 4, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,200,000
5$5,800,000
7$2,400,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,400,000
1$1,800,000
1$850,000
1$1,500,000
1$1,500,000
Trades
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2.
COL
  1. Swayman, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
BOS
  1. Behrens, Sean
  2. Olausson, Oskar
  3. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
3.
4.
COL
  1. LaCombe, Jackson [RFA Rights]
ANA
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. 2026 2nd round pick (COL)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$87,700,000$87,457,083$0$57,500$242,917
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
LW, C
RFA
$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$896,250$896,250 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
RW
RFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW
UFA
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LW, RW
UFA
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 5
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
$6,200,000$6,200,000
G
RFA
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$2,400,000$2,400,000
LD/RD
RFA
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$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 2
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 1
$850,000$850,000
G
UFA
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6

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Jun. 4 at 6:12 p.m.
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Jun. 4 at 6:21 p.m.
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i'm not entirely sure you know who jeremy swayman is
Jun. 4 at 6:26 p.m.
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No thanks on that but how about Josh for a 4th?
Jun. 4 at 6:29 p.m.
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i'm not entirely sure you know who jeremy swayman is


He's an RFA who can be signed at this price for a 1st and 3rd round pick...this trade gives Boston a 1st round pick plus former 1st and 2nd round picks.

If you'd prefer, I'd be happy to acquire the necessary 3rd round pick and see if Boston wants to match that salary with Ullmark on the books for next season
Jun. 4 at 6:29 p.m.
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Lol. Georgiev is not very good...which is why you want to move him . Not moving Siegs for him nor want Georgiev in our tandem
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Jun. 4 at 6:36 p.m.
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Quoting: avrush21
He's an RFA who can be signed at this price for a 1st and 3rd round pick...this trade gives Boston a 1st round pick plus former 1st and 2nd round picks.

If you'd prefer, I'd be happy to acquire the necessary 3rd round pick and see if Boston wants to match that salary with Ullmark on the books for next season


ughhhhh yes please. if he signed that, don sweeney would be elated. he's expected to be around 8x8 or 8x7. that would be the biggest no brainer match of all time. Want Swayman? offer one of the major pieces off the aves roster. ya, i'm talking those guys. otherwise, move along.

also, that contract would have a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd going to boston in an offer sheet scenario, which again would be matched in about 8 seconds.
Jun. 4 at 6:39 p.m.
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Quoting: avrush21
He's an RFA who can be signed at this price for a 1st and 3rd round pick...this trade gives Boston a 1st round pick plus former 1st and 2nd round picks.

If you'd prefer, I'd be happy to acquire the necessary 3rd round pick and see if Boston wants to match that salary with Ullmark on the books for next season


He's an RFA yes, but he can't be signed at that price. Swayman's agent laughs at that offer sheet and Boston would be happy to match that offer sheet at that price. Swayman is likely getting 7.5-8M x 7 or 8 from Boston. For him to accept an offer sheet it would likely have to be 9M+

Boston rejects the trade as-is.
Jun. 4 at 6:50 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
No thanks on that but how about Josh for a 4th?


No. Manson is coming off a 25 point season. Led the team in hits and is a Stanley cup champion. I'd say he's probably getting more than a 4th if he's moved. You guys have Gudas though, so I can understand not needing Manson. But Manson would 100% get more than a 4th.
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Jun. 4 at 6:52 p.m.
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He's an RFA yes, but he can't be signed at that price. Swayman's agent laughs at that offer sheet and Boston would be happy to match that offer sheet at that price. Swayman is likely getting 7.5-8M x 7 or 8 from Boston. For him to accept an offer sheet it would likely have to be 9M+

Boston rejects the trade as-is.


That's totally fine, I'm not a professional here so I'm just going by his expected contract numbers from Evolving Hockey. He's obviously a great goalie but also a guy who has started more than 40 games once in his career. I'm purely looking at Boston with 5 million spent already on one goaltender so if you want to spend $13 million + on that position then that's cool with me.
Jun. 4 at 6:52 p.m.
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Lol. Georgiev is not very good...which is why you want to move him . Not moving Siegs for him nor want Georgiev in our tandem


I wouldn't say he's not very good. He had a brutal game 1 against the Jets. But other than that he was solid. Seigs is really good though. So I don't think the devils do that. Geo is decent. And gets a bad rap. But he's not worth siegs.
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Jun. 4 at 6:53 p.m.
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ughhhhh yes please. if he signed that, don sweeney would be elated. he's expected to be around 8x8 or 8x7. that would be the biggest no brainer match of all time. Want Swayman? offer one of the major pieces off the aves roster. ya, i'm talking those guys. otherwise, move along.

also, that contract would have a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd going to boston in an offer sheet scenario, which again would be matched in about 8 seconds.


$4,580,918 - $6,871,374
1 First Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick
Jun. 4 at 6:53 p.m.
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why would we trade rantanen?
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Jun. 4 at 6:54 p.m.
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Quoting: avrush21
$4,580,918 - $6,871,374
1 First Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick


he won't get that, he'll get more.

but it doesn't matter, bc the avs cannot offer sheet in that range: https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator
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Jun. 4 at 6:58 p.m.
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I wouldn't say he's not very good. He had a brutal game 1 against the Jets. But other than that he was solid. Seigs is really good though. So I don't think the devils do that. Geo is decent. And gets a bad rap. But he's not worth siegs.


This is totally fair, I just see New Jersey as a team desperately in need of better goaltending with the roster that they have, Siegenthaler is listed as a 3rd line D-man on New Jersey's depth chart on this website which seems replaceable while getting an upgraded starter.
Jun. 4 at 7:02 p.m.
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This is totally fair, I just see New Jersey as a team desperately in need of better goaltending with the roster that they have, Siegenthaler is listed as a 3rd line D-man on New Jersey's depth chart on this website which seems replaceable while getting an upgraded starter.


Where are you getting that ranking? He's above Bahl, but he's simply different from Luke. Siegs is a mid price shutdown guy.
Jun. 4 at 7:07 p.m.
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Quoting: avrush21
$4,580,918 - $6,871,374
1 First Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick


not how it works. that's calculated by taking the total value of the salary and dividing it by either the total number of years (AAV), or five if the term is greater than five years. there's a calculator for it on capfriendly.

Regardless, unless you get into the two firsts, second, and third category, the bruins wouldn't even consider letting swayman walk.

i think you're just a bit out to lunch on who the player is.
Jun. 4 at 7:12 p.m.
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It’s OK to say you don’t watch the Bruins. Swayman is going nowhere
Jun. 4 at 7:29 p.m.
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not how it works. that's calculated by taking the total value of the salary and dividing it by either the total number of years (AAV), or five if the term is greater than five years. there's a calculator for it on capfriendly.

Regardless, unless you get into the two firsts, second, and third category, the bruins wouldn't even consider letting swayman walk.

i think you're just a bit out to lunch on who the player is.


That's totally fine, in this scenario the Avs are giving up more than what an offer sheet would cost. I'm purely looking at this from the standpoint of Bruins already have a starter signed for next season at 5 million, this gives them 2 pro ready former 1st and 2nd rounders which is more than they'd get from an offer sheet.

I'm sure they can get more from a different trade, this is just a trade that gives them more value than an offer sheet would.
Jun. 4 at 7:35 p.m.
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Where are you getting that ranking? He's above Bahl, but he's simply different from Luke. Siegs is a mid price shutdown guy.


Literally just looking at their depth chart on this website, if we move Bahl below him I'm assuming you would still value Hamilton, Hughes, Marino, and Nemec above Siegenthaler though. Not saying that makes this trade make sense but, for me, I don't mind getting an upgraded starting goalie for the 5th best defenseman on my team.
Jun. 4 at 8:00 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
No thanks on that but how about Josh for a 4th?


Nah, I'd take it.
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Jun. 4 at 8:26 p.m.
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Nah, I'd take it.


The Fowler Manson pair coming back then?
Jun. 4 at 9:12 p.m.
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The Fowler Manson pair coming back then?


Mintyukov-Manson
Fowler-luneau
Vaakainen Gudas
Lindstrom

Move Zellweger to wing
Jun. 4 at 9:14 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Mintyukov-Manson
Fowler-luneau
Vaakainen Gudas
Lindstrom

Move Zellweger to wing


You’re really down for that Zelly to the wing huh? What would you run up front then with those pairings
Jun. 5 at 1:51 a.m.
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You’re really down for that Zelly to the wing huh? What would you run up front then with those pairings


Gauthier-Carlsson-Killorn
Vatrano-McTavish-Strome
Zellweger-Zegras-Terry
Whoever

Would consider swapping Terry and Killorn depending on fit, but both Z and Killer aren't fast skaters, don't want multiple pylons on the same line.
Jun. 5 at 9:08 a.m.
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That's totally fine, in this scenario the Avs are giving up more than what an offer sheet would cost. I'm purely looking at this from the standpoint of Bruins already have a starter signed for next season at 5 million, this gives them 2 pro ready former 1st and 2nd rounders which is more than they'd get from an offer sheet.

I'm sure they can get more from a different trade, this is just a trade that gives them more value than an offer sheet would.


1. well, no. you aren't. you're offering less than an offersheet would
2. the contract you're offering is WAY below market value, and would constitute a minor miracle for boston as they pop champagne and match.
3. i'd get away from the, "former first rounder," argument. once a player is drafted they are a player. doesn't really matter where they were drafted. Those prospects don't look good.

so, again, i just don't think you know who the player is or how the offersheet system works. this offer wouldn't even get a negotiation started. it's just bad.
 
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