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Ullmark Necas GeekieFrederic

Created by: ethanwinters
Team: 2024-25 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: May 29, 2024
Published: Jun. 5, 2024
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Description
Give Necas a shot between Zacha and Pasta and if it doesn’t work out you have other combos with Zacha back at C.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$850,000
8$7,500,000
8$7,500,000
1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,000,000
2$3,000,000
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Geekie, Morgan
  2. Ullmark, Linus
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Or Frederic. Frederic is better, but less cost controlled. Either way, gives NJD a guy with size in his mid-20s that can get 40 points from the third line with no PP time.
2.
BOS
  1. Necas, Martin [RFA Rights]
CAR
  1. Lysell, Fabian
  2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$87,700,000$85,640,834$50,000$330,000$2,059,166

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$7,500,000$7,500,000
RW
RFA
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$11,250,000$11,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$870,000$870,000 (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
C
RFA - 2
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$787,500$787,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
G
RFA
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD
NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
G
RFA
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 5 at 12:04 a.m.
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Just not enough there
Jun. 5 at 12:09 a.m.
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Imagine thinking Necas is worth Ullmark/Frederic/Lysell. 🤦🏻

Or that he’s a center. 🤦🏻🤦🏻
Jun. 5 at 12:42 a.m.
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I wouldn’t trade 10 and Lysell for Necas.

To be fair, i don’t think that package gets you 10. I would contemplate Ullmark, Lysell, Geekie, and a 2026 2nd for Necas. I’d personally rather keep all those assets, trade Ullmark for a first, and then sign JDB. Necas reminds me a tad of the PLD situation a year ago. Tantalizing talent, but not sure I want to pay him the salary AND the cost to acquire him.

Don’t think I give Freddy up. His value prop probably means he’s worth more to Boston than other teams.

I can see NJD trading down with Chicago and then offering that pick for Ullmark.
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Jun. 5 at 1:15 a.m.
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Imagine thinking Necas is worth Ullmark/Frederic/Lysell. 🤦🏻

Or that he’s a center. 🤦🏻🤦🏻


I know it’s your thing is to be on here 22 hours a day, throw similar snark at all proposals and not offer up any unique ideas…so I have learned to not bother engaging.

But for the amount of time you spend in here I’m surprised that you don’t know how to read the descriptions or think of alternate line combo. Is it extremely possible he freewheels too much to be in the middle defensively? Sure. Could his ability to drive play through center ice make up for it? Maybe. Does it particularly matter, in the end, if you are running

Marchessault Zacha Pastrnak

Or

Pasta Zacha Necas

Or

Zacha Necas Pasta

No.

As far as value goes, Frederic and Geekie are both 40 point 3rd liners. Heinen right there, too. Coyle often just a hair above that. All playing fairly similar “board battle, puck control and smart plays” kind of games. It’s redundant in Boston and unique on the Devils. And you ain’t giving both Frederic and Geekie their raises after next season, either. Lysell is a middle six one way winger prospect. It’s not like he is some unique diamond. A good player potentially. But on a team trying to break in Poitras and maybe even Merkulov, where does he fit? They ain’t running two rookies on a line. With Carolina’s turnover and style of play, he would get a much better chance there. Trades are about finding fits for both sides that make both sides better. Frankly, the hole in this offer is convincing Carolina that they want to take a high pick instead of a player in the deal, not the value to Boston in the slightest.
Jun. 5 at 3:10 a.m.
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why not just offer Car ullmark your 2nd and lysell for him. theres surely a similar value package on one of the other goalie desperate teams and Car probably wont buy a maybe 3rd/4th line winger rookie and a pick on a win now hungry team. letting them get assets for fredy, move on from someone theyll have to resign and getting a pick sounds way more incising and would leave bos with the chance to package freddy + geekie + (maybe prospect or pick) for a middle 6 younger/cheap guy to have guaranteed more long term (not sure thats out there but thats an option)
Jun. 5 at 3:15 a.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
Just not enough there


thoughts on ullmark + lysell + 2nd for necas.
would allow u guys to shop anderson and give stability Infront of Kochetkov while he keeps developing and becomes more consistent. would also get u guys a young guy who can probably play 4th line mins and will be very cheap to resign for 2-3 years and will improve, also allows u to spare that 7ishM from necas to resign other guys and keep u guys close while not going backwards.
Jun. 5 at 8:17 a.m.
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thoughts on ullmark + lysell + 2nd for necas.
would allow u guys to shop anderson and give stability Infront of Kochetkov while he keeps developing and becomes more consistent. would also get u guys a young guy who can probably play 4th line mins and will be very cheap to resign for 2-3 years and will improve, also allows u to spare that 7ishM from necas to resign other guys and keep u guys close while not going backwards.


Rather do Necas+ for an upgrade. I think Ullmark is good but I’m fine rolling with Koochie as starter with Freddy backup. Not worth using our best trade chip imo.
Jun. 5 at 9:30 a.m.
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Quoting: ethanwinters
I know it’s your thing is to be on here 22 hours a day, throw similar snark at all proposals and not offer up any unique ideas…so I have learned to not bother engaging.

But for the amount of time you spend in here I’m surprised that you don’t know how to read the descriptions or think of alternate line combo. Is it extremely possible he freewheels too much to be in the middle defensively? Sure. Could his ability to drive play through center ice make up for it? Maybe. Does it particularly matter, in the end, if you are running

Marchessault Zacha Pastrnak

Or

Pasta Zacha Necas

Or

Zacha Necas Pasta

No.

As far as value goes, Frederic and Geekie are both 40 point 3rd liners. Heinen right there, too. Coyle often just a hair above that. All playing fairly similar “board battle, puck control and smart plays” kind of games. It’s redundant in Boston and unique on the Devils. And you ain’t giving both Frederic and Geekie their raises after next season, either. Lysell is a middle six one way winger prospect. It’s not like he is some unique diamond. A good player potentially. But on a team trying to break in Poitras and maybe even Merkulov, where does he fit? They ain’t running two rookies on a line. With Carolina’s turnover and style of play, he would get a much better chance there. Trades are about finding fits for both sides that make both sides better. Frankly, the hole in this offer is convincing Carolina that they want to take a high pick instead of a player in the deal, not the value to Boston in the slightest.


don't get defensive because you came up with a bad idea.

Necas isn't a center. We've seen them try it for quite some time. he's 25. he can't play center.

it's a bad idea and a bad ACGM, no need to take shots at a guy for telling you so.
Jun. 5 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: ethanwinters
I know it’s your thing is to be on here 22 hours a day, throw similar snark at all proposals and not offer up any unique ideas…so I have learned to not bother engaging.

But for the amount of time you spend in here I’m surprised that you don’t know how to read the descriptions or think of alternate line combo. Is it extremely possible he freewheels too much to be in the middle defensively? Sure. Could his ability to drive play through center ice make up for it? Maybe. Does it particularly matter, in the end, if you are running

Marchessault Zacha Pastrnak

Or

Pasta Zacha Necas

Or

Zacha Necas Pasta

No.

As far as value goes, Frederic and Geekie are both 40 point 3rd liners. Heinen right there, too. Coyle often just a hair above that. All playing fairly similar “board battle, puck control and smart plays” kind of games. It’s redundant in Boston and unique on the Devils. And you ain’t giving both Frederic and Geekie their raises after next season, either. Lysell is a middle six one way winger prospect. It’s not like he is some unique diamond. A good player potentially. But on a team trying to break in Poitras and maybe even Merkulov, where does he fit? They ain’t running two rookies on a line. With Carolina’s turnover and style of play, he would get a much better chance there. Trades are about finding fits for both sides that make both sides better. Frankly, the hole in this offer is convincing Carolina that they want to take a high pick instead of a player in the deal, not the value to Boston in the slightest.



The 10th overall + Lysell or Geekie is fair value for Necas.

Adding the cost to acquire the 10th to the mix is not. He’s not that guy.

If you manage to go out and get the 10th overall you are much better off targeting Drai, or just keeping it and use the cap to add Stephenson or re-sign Debrusk whose value is quite similar to Necas. Necas is a better creator, Debrusk much better defensively.

Having the 10th overall (Eiserman, Parekh, Catton) + the free agent signing is far more valuable than Necas. Who likely ends up playing the same role in Boston that he is unhappy with in Carolina.
Jun. 5 at 10:40 p.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
Rather do Necas+ for an upgrade. I think Ullmark is good but I’m fine rolling with Koochie as starter with Freddy backup. Not worth using our best trade chip imo.


not sure what u guys have other then picks for value tho, unless ur giving up aho, or svech which then doesent make since for u guys or slavin or one of ur other young RFA. most of ur middle guys dont have much value to be able to build on so unless u think ur getting drai it wouldnt make sense esp with how much depth you guys are about to lose this year. trading necas for depth + a talented piece will probably be ur only way of still being a top team or else ur 4th line and 3rd pair are going to be full time AHLers
Jun. 5 at 11:09 p.m.
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The 10th overall + Lysell or Geekie is fair value for Necas.

Adding the cost to acquire the 10th to the mix is not. He’s not that guy.

If you manage to go out and get the 10th overall you are much better off targeting Drai, or just keeping it and use the cap to add Stephenson or re-sign Debrusk whose value is quite similar to Necas. Necas is a better creator, Debrusk much better defensively.

Having the 10th overall (Eiserman, Parekh, Catton) + the free agent signing is far more valuable than Necas. Who likely ends up playing the same role in Boston that he is unhappy with in Carolina.


Drai is a complete fantasy. Not only does EDMs Cup run here take the biggest reason for Drai to hit the block out of the picture, but the Bruins wouldn’t even make it past the first round of suitors with what they could pull together.

Stephenson is on the wrong side of 30 coming off a questionable season in a UFA class where guys are going to get seriously overpaid. He helps with their speed, but for how long and at what price? The DeBrusk defense narrative is overblown. Yes it’s nice that he is back checking and can be good on the PK. But his attention to defense doesn’t actually drive play or possession at all and how much do we really think a winger that doesn’t drive possession is really making an impact on the defensive side of the puck? I would welcome him back as a secondary goal scorer that doesn’t hurt you elsewhere, but the Bruins have more fundamental problems with their lack of forwards that can drive the play forward.

Losing Krejci and Hall’s ability to transport the puck blue line to blue line with control, coupled with Bergeron’s ability to drive play with puck retrieval and breaking up plays has turned this version of the Bruins into a team that has to Trent Dilfer offense their way thru the neutral zone just to get a dump in. Their lack of a skilled right shot on the bumper has murdered their powerplay. 1PP goal in 40 odd games for Pasta, was it? That’s insane: Necas.”, for his undoubted flaws, solves several needs for the Bruins at the cost of their backup goalie, a stalled prospect they haven’t had room for and a redundant 3rd liner. all with being 25 with a chance for more upside. He could be a Nathan Horton trade for this team. Now am I underselling those guys? Absolutely. But that’s what they are on this Boston team. Just like Necas has been under utilized on Carolina. That’s the point of trades: for both sides to get excess value out of the deal versus doing nothing. Does Boston take risk that Necas is just a 60 point winger? Absolutely. But, getting away from Drury and KK and PP2 will at least make him that. Which is a big upgrade over DeBrusk. Carolina is taking a big risk too that the 10OA is Tyson Jost, like most 10OA are. I, for one, have no desire to wait around to see if Eiserman turns into a Mike Hoffman clone by the time Pasta is 32.
Jun. 5 at 11:55 p.m.
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My perspective is NJ and Carolina both have to be interested in the deal.

Complaining that Necas is a risk as a center is actually a sound argument when you look at his defensive metrics and faceoff stats. You can use Zacha on faceoffs, but it doesn’t change that issue. Love his talent, but don’t view him as a slam dunk salary wise.

One could easily make the argument that if you are placing him at center and paying him 7.5M, you might be better off calling LA about Pierre Luc Dubois. Hes statistically a similar player and he’s actually played center. Plus the cost to acquire would be considerably cheaper.

I personally believe they are going to sign Lindholm, trade Ullmark for a pick, and try to sign Marchessault or Kane to a shorter term contract
Jun. 6 at 7:27 a.m.
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not sure what u guys have other then picks for value tho, unless ur giving up aho, or svech which then doesent make since for u guys or slavin or one of ur other young RFA. most of ur middle guys dont have much value to be able to build on so unless u think ur getting drai it wouldnt make sense esp with how much depth you guys are about to lose this year. trading necas for depth + a talented piece will probably be ur only way of still being a top team or else ur 4th line and 3rd pair are going to be full time AHLers


Yeah Necas plus futures would be the package. Not trading any of the core guys. Also have 2-3 rookies who are nhl ready and will likely crack lineup next year to replace some of the depth UFAs. They project well so in theory somebody like nadeau or FUS replacing Noesen or turbo could be a step up if they can put up somewhat similar numbers on an ELC versus the 4.5-5 turbo was making. It’s a risk but a necessary one so we’ll see what happens.
Jun. 6 at 7:37 p.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
Yeah Necas plus futures would be the package. Not trading any of the core guys. Also have 2-3 rookies who are nhl ready and will likely crack lineup next year to replace some of the depth UFAs. They project well so in theory somebody like nadeau or FUS replacing Noesen or turbo could be a step up if they can put up somewhat similar numbers on an ELC versus the 4.5-5 turbo was making. It’s a risk but a necessary one so we’ll see what happens.


who would u want them to target? not sure theres many elite players wanting out this offseason unlike the last few off season
 
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