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Markstrom Trade Returns

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Team: 2024-25 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2024
Published: Jun. 11, 2024
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Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Boucher, Tyler
  2. Korpisalo, Joonas
  3. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
OTT
    28th overall
    Markstrom (Flames retain 50%)
    2.
    CGY
    1. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
    2. 2024 3rd round pick (WPG)
    NJD
      28th overall
      Markstrom (Flames retain 50%)
      3.
      CGY
      1. Minten, Fraser
      2. 2026 1st round pick (TOR)
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        Markstrom (Flames retain 50%)
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        Tue. at 2:50 p.m.
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        Sens decline
        Tue. at 2:52 p.m.
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        Devils decline.

        But, we would like Sharangovich back.
        Tue. at 2:55 p.m.
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        Lol you are dreaming with those returns. A 4 year younger Kuemper for a 1st from a team with serious Stanley Cup aspirations. More than a second is a win for Markstrom. There are other goalies available.
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        Tue. at 2:57 p.m.
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        Devils decline.

        But, we would like Sharangovich back.


        Why?
        He won’t do good in the Devils system, the only reason he did good was cause the Flames gave him top line and power play minutes. In Jersey, he probably become a non-factor again.
        Tue. at 3:12 p.m.
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        Quoting: CrazyFlamesFan888
        Why?
        He won’t do good in the Devils system, the only reason he did good was cause the Flames gave him top line and power play minutes. In Jersey, he probably become a non-factor again.


        Fine, we would just like Dasha back.
        Tue. at 3:18 p.m.
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        rofl markstrom aint worth a 1st round pick yet alone a top 10
        Tue. at 3:52 p.m.
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        Quoting: Lancebmx
        Lol you are dreaming with those returns. A 4 year younger Kuemper for a 1st from a team with serious Stanley Cup aspirations. More than a second is a win for Markstrom. There are other goalies available.

        Without retention a Top Prospect + 2nd MIGHT do it, but a bidding war seems to be brewing, so we’ll see. Kuemper only had 1 year on his contract and has never been rated as high as Markstrom, especially how high Markstrom is currently rated now

        Flames are gonna want much better secondary pieces added if they’re taking Korpisalo back. Is Boucher even worth anything anymore?

        The NJD Trade is nice, but Conroy would probably prefer a Prospect over the 3rd Round Pick. Futures are nice, but Young Players or soon to be NHL Ready Prospects will help speed up the retool faster than developing them will

        TOR won’t be getting that much retention. Their pick is late and TOR/Treliving will have to pay a premium to make any deals with CGY
        Tue. at 4:20 p.m.
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        7oa and 10oa are probably too far of a reach. If Calgary was sending back a mid-teens pick maybe the pick swap works.

        Honestly, since Markstrom has NMC, there is more of a chance this becomes a very underwhelming deal for Calgary. Conroy gave up his leverage at deadline. Now it’s up to Markstrom.
        Tue. at 4:24 p.m.
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        Quoting: KingofRnR
        Without retention a Top Prospect + 2nd MIGHT do it, but a bidding war seems to be brewing, so we’ll see. Kuemper only had 1 year on his contract and has never been rated as high as Markstrom, especially how high Markstrom is currently rated now

        Flames are gonna want much better secondary pieces added if they’re taking Korpisalo back. Is Boucher even worth anything anymore?

        The NJD Trade is nice, but Conroy would probably prefer a Prospect over the 3rd Round Pick. Futures are nice, but Young Players or soon to be NHL Ready Prospects will help speed up the retool faster than developing them will

        TOR won’t be getting that much retention. Their pick is late and TOR/Treliving will have to pay a premium to make any deals with CGY


        Lol top prospect. Bro, I used the Kuemper trade cause that was the biggest return in recent memory. Also he had 3 really good seasons with the Coyotes right before that. Am I saying Kuemper is better than Markstrom? No but the comparison from then to now, it's quite debatable. Markstrom also has a full no move clause. We have seen alot of teams in recent history get smaller returns for their players because of such things.
        The fact you would want something better as a secondary piece to #7 overall than Boucher to take on korpi is crazy. I don't think Boucher is much but damn, the player you get with that pick should be worth more than that. Even sending the Vancouver pick back.
        Again, 10th overall for Markstrom, even getting Vancouver pick back, is crazy. The players picked with either of those picks would have a far greater impact than Markstrom and whatever player at 28, at least in theory of they develop properly.
        For Toronto, that pick is probably around markstrom's value with retention. The fact that minten is thrown in.......

        It doesn't take much looking to find comparables. I used the one that had the best return as a comparable. That team also had serious Stanley Cup aspirations that year. It was an easy decision to move a first for a good goalie.
        Tue. at 4:50 p.m.
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        Quoting: KingofRnR
        Without retention a Top Prospect + 2nd MIGHT do it, but a bidding war seems to be brewing, so we’ll see. Kuemper only had 1 year on his contract and has never been rated as high as Markstrom, especially how high Markstrom is currently rated now

        Flames are gonna want much better secondary pieces added if they’re taking Korpisalo back. Is Boucher even worth anything anymore?

        The NJD Trade is nice, but Conroy would probably prefer a Prospect over the 3rd Round Pick. Futures are nice, but Young Players or soon to be NHL Ready Prospects will help speed up the retool faster than developing them will

        TOR won’t be getting that much retention. Their pick is late and TOR/Treliving will have to pay a premium to make any deals with CGY


        I realize you're not the OP, but there has to be an understanding that OTT is not going to vastly overpay to get rid of Korpi, right? The first two years of his buyout are under $1mil in cap, after which the hit is irrelevant considering the cap raises. Why the heck would OTT even need to consider offloading Korpi in a goaltending trade? Just seems a little odd to consider it.

        Regardless, the #7 overall pick has way more value than the negative asset that is Korpisalo.
        Tue. at 5:32 p.m.
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        Edited Tue. at 5:37 p.m.
        Quoting: Lancebmx
        Lol top prospect. Bro, I used the Kuemper trade cause that was the biggest return in recent memory. Also he had 3 really good seasons with the Coyotes right before that. Am I saying Kuemper is better than Markstrom? No but the comparison from then to now, it's quite debatable. Markstrom also has a full no move clause. We have seen alot of teams in recent history get smaller returns for their players because of such things.
        The fact you would want something better as a secondary piece to #7 overall than Boucher to take on korpi is crazy. I don't think Boucher is much but damn, the player you get with that pick should be worth more than that. Even sending the Vancouver pick back.
        Again, 10th overall for Markstrom, even getting Vancouver pick back, is crazy. The players picked with either of those picks would have a far greater impact than Markstrom and whatever player at 28, at least in theory of they develop properly.
        For Toronto, that pick is probably around markstrom's value with retention. The fact that minten is thrown in.......

        It doesn't take much looking to find comparables. I used the one that had the best return as a comparable. That team also had serious Stanley Cup aspirations that year. It was an easy decision to move a first for a good goalie.

        Ahh yes, Kuemper the 29 & 27GP 1B/C with Antti Raanta & Adin Hill who became expendable after a poor playoff performance and with Vejmelka & Wedgewood coming up the ranks. The guy that fetched a 1st + Top Prospect at the time in Timmins + a 3rd and only cost ARI $1mil out of pocket for 1 season

        Y’all seem to be confused and terrible at math on here because Markström is bonafide & highly rated 90-1A 60GP+ Starting Goaltender, not a backup looking for a starting role who lasted 1 season in COL because he wasn’t good enough

        Next, ppl are suggesting the Flames eat $4-6mil in cap which is 4-6x times the amount Kuemper cost ARI out of pocket and 5-9times the amount it cost CHI to retain on Marc-Andre Fleury for 20% of the remaining season. The amount of retention being thrown around here with Markstrom is substantially more valuable and requires significant compensation

        Flames don’t want Korpisalo when they could sign Raanta or another veteran for $850k-1.5mil if they wanted a more experienced guy to Mentor Wolf than Vladar can, so unless there’s a package and incentive that makes sense to take Korpisalo back, why would they and Boucher appears to be a complete bust. He’s hardly played and done nothing at the junior level since being drafted, so if you think his original draft position is going to help translate his game to the NHL or that he remotely has any decent trade value, you’re smoking far stronger stuff than I am

        Get over this age bias too. As much as it can be a consideration, you’re paying/buying based on the player Markström is now. Besides, he only has 2 seasons left on his contract, so it’s not like you’re taking on a bad or boat anchor of a contract, especially if he’s retained and can be flipped retained again

        Finally, if he wants out of CGY and/or to play for a contender, he’s gonna have to work with Conroy and waive his NMC, so he’ll provide a list of teams he’s willing to consider. He’s probably done so already

        Give your head a shake, I expect more and better from you Lance
        Tue. at 5:44 p.m.
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        Edited Tue. at 6:28 p.m.
        Quoting: Beargold
        I realize you're not the OP, but there has to be an understanding that OTT is not going to vastly overpay to get rid of Korpi, right? The first two years of his buyout are under $1mil in cap, after which the hit is irrelevant considering the cap raises. Why the heck would OTT even need to consider offloading Korpi in a goaltending trade? Just seems a little odd to consider it.

        Regardless, the #7 overall pick has way more value than the negative asset that is Korpisalo.

        Fine! Keep, Buyout or ship Korpisalo out elsewhere. It’s the Flames that don’t and won’t want to both retain $3mil x 2 seasons = $6mil AND take back Korpisalo’s contract ($4mil x 4 seasons = $16mil) without major compensations for doing so. One or the other sure, but both would cost significantly extra.

        As for buyouts, they’re never ideal and cost $$$ and cap space for nothing in return other than to break a bad decision. In Korpisalo’s case it’d cost $10.7mil, so you’d save $5.3. That’s a lot. Korpisalo Buyou

        So it’s easy, take Korpisalo or the retention out and work a deal from there but Markström is rated and considered elite and moving or asking a team to retain millions and/or use up their retention slots for 2 full seasons (and not just ~20% of the remaining season like you often see with deadline deals) are completely different animals and CGY is not in a position where they absolutely need to shed cap like they were when they decided to sign Kadri, so gave Monahan away + paid a 1st, so they didn’t have to pay or carry his $6.375mil salary/cap hit

        Too many on here are hung up on his age and just don’t think or understand the amount of retention and actual out of pocket cost they’re wanting here. That’s the issue
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        Tue. at 6:22 p.m.
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        Quoting: KingofRnR
        Fine! Keep, Buyout or ship Korpisalo out elsewhere. It’s the Flames that don’t and won’t want to both retain $3mil x 2 seasons = $6mil AND take back Korpisalo’s contract ($4mil x 4 seasons = $16mil) without major compensations for doing so. One or the other sure, but both would cost significantly extra.

        As for buyouts, they’re never ideal and cost $$$ and cap space for nothing in return other than to break a bad decision. In Korpisalo’s case it’d cost $10.7mil, so you’d save $5.3. That’s a lot. Korpisalo Buyou

        So it’s easy, take Korpisalo or the retention out and work a deal from there but Markström is rated and considered elite and moving or asking a team to retain millions and/or use up their retention slots for 2 full seasons (and not just ~20% of the remaining season like you often see with deadline deals) are completely different animals and CGY is not in a position where they absolutely need to shed cap like they were when they decided to sign Kadri, so gave Monahan away + paid a 1st, so they didn’t have to pay or carry his $6.375mil salary/cap hit

        Too many in here are hung up on his age and just don’t think or understand the amount of retention and actual out of pocket cost they’re wanting here. That’s the issue


        Completely agree. Markstrom is still a 1A goaltender and the fact that CGY was this close to making the playoffs is in large part to him. Any team should still pay a 1st to acquire him, especially with retention.

        I'd personally take out Korpi and see if there's a deal for Markstrom with any retention for BOS 1st and a prospect not named Kleven or Ostapchuk.

        I do tend to forget that the salaries aren't just mystical numbers on a page, so I do need to be more considerate of money saved by trading rather than a buy out; I will absolutely give you that.
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        Tue. at 6:43 p.m.
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        Quoting: KingofRnR
        Ahh yes, Kuemper the 29 & 27GP 1B/C with Antti Raanta & Adin Hill who became expendable after a poor playoff performance and with Vejmelka & Wedgewood coming up the ranks. The guy that fetched a 1st + Top Prospect at the time in Timmins + a 3rd and only cost ARI $1mil out of pocket for 1 season

        Y’all seem to be confused and terrible at math on here because Markström is bonafide & highly rated 90-1A 60GP+ Starting Goaltender, not a backup looking for a starting role who lasted 1 season in COL because he wasn’t good enough

        Next, ppl are suggesting the Flames eat $4-6mil in cap which is 4-6x times the amount Kuemper cost ARI out of pocket and 5-9times the amount it cost CHI to retain on Marc-Andre Fleury for 20% of the remaining season. The amount of retention being thrown around here with Markstrom is substantially more valuable and requires significant compensation

        Flames don’t want Korpisalo when they could sign Raanta or another veteran for $850k-1.5mil if they wanted a more experienced guy to Mentor Wolf than Vladar can, so unless there’s a package and incentive that makes sense to take Korpisalo back, why would they and Boucher appears to be a complete bust. He’s hardly played and done nothing at the junior level since being drafted, so if you think his original draft position is going to help translate his game to the NHL or that he remotely has any decent trade value, you’re smoking far stronger stuff than I am

        Get over this age bias too. As much as it can be a consideration, you’re paying/buying based on the player Markström is now. Besides, he only has 2 seasons left on his contract, so it’s not like you’re taking on a bad or boat anchor of a contract, especially if he’s retained and can be flipped retained again

        Finally, if he wants out of CGY and/or to play for a contender, he’s gonna have to work with Conroy and waive his NMC, so he’ll provide a list of teams he’s willing to consider. He’s probably done so already

        Give your head a shake, I expect more and better from you Lance


        First of all, Timmins was never a top prospect and at the time of the trade, was just a throw in. For the same argument you gave as Boucher, hasn't done anything and couldn't stay healthy.
        I agree, Markstrom is a bonafide starter, but for how many now years? Age of definitely a factor. Will he be able to start 60 games still? He only has twice in the last five years, I'm counting the 59 game season. Will he be able to keep up his 'elite ' level of play this season and next while playing that many games? Well it start to catch up to him, like it did last year and parts of this year? The fact he has an extra year could work against him if he does in fact fall off. I wouldn't expect him to but it's possible. Also how many goalies do you see playing at an elite level in their mid to late thirties? Not very many. The fact you are saying forget about his age you are paying for him now, you are also paying for him next season too.
        Yes flames don't want korpi, that proposal was horrible from the get go.
        If he gives a list of teams to Conroy, says they all need a starter? At the point of his career he probably wants a contender. Teams like Florida again, Rangers and Bruins could be on that list just as easily as Ottawa, Jersey and Detroit. Then how desperate are those teams, if it was one of the three needing I mentioned, who says they are willing to pay an arm and leg for him. I see the best fits for him as Jersey and Toronto, that doesn't make much of a bidding war. Also what's stopping someone like Jersey and just saying eff it and going and getting Ullmark for two seconds or Casey and a second?
        Tue. at 7:31 p.m.
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        Quoting: Lancebmx
        First of all, Timmins was never a top prospect and at the time of the trade, was just a throw in. For the same argument you gave as Boucher, hasn't done anything and couldn't stay healthy.
        I agree, Markstrom is a bonafide starter, but for how many now years? Age of definitely a factor. Will he be able to start 60 games still? He only has twice in the last five years, I'm counting the 59 game season. Will he be able to keep up his 'elite ' level of play this season and next while playing that many games? Well it start to catch up to him, like it did last year and parts of this year? The fact he has an extra year could work against him if he does in fact fall off. I wouldn't expect him to but it's possible. Also how many goalies do you see playing at an elite level in their mid to late thirties? Not very many. The fact you are saying forget about his age you are paying for him now, you are also paying for him next season too.
        Yes flames don't want korpi, that proposal was horrible from the get go.
        If he gives a list of teams to Conroy, says they all need a starter? At the point of his career he probably wants a contender. Teams like Florida again, Rangers and Bruins could be on that list just as easily as Ottawa, Jersey and Detroit. Then how desperate are those teams, if it was one of the three needing I mentioned, who says they are willing to pay an arm and leg for him. I see the best fits for him as Jersey and Toronto, that doesn't make much of a bidding war. Also what's stopping someone like Jersey and just saying eff it and going and getting Ullmark for two seconds or Casey and a second?

        You got a whole lot of ifs & buts in there, which is applicable to any goalie or player for that matter , regardless of age lol. That’s the risk you take when signing or acquiring a player, but you make that decision on what they’ve done and are rated at recently and what you think/hope they will continue to do for as long as you have or keep them

        Markstrom is arguably better than Ullmark who played on a much better team with a far better defensive corps in front of him. Ullmark might not like the idea of playing in NJ given the lack of support he would have in front of him. It’s arguably why the Goalies had didn’t succeed there. He could get absolutely eaten up there, but if they can grab him, perhaps they should. It’ll cost more than what you’re saying to get him though and do you sign him to a fat juicy contract extension right away now not knowing or do you wait and potentially lose him to free agency should we decide not to stay? What if you give him term and he falls off and sucks as a Devil and you’ve given him $6.5-8mil/yr and/or a NMC so can’t move him ? See that argument goes both ways dude and it’s exactly what happens when you try signing a backup too like DET did with Husso and OTT did with Korpisalo, so yeah, there are other & cheaper options that are just as risky and has tons of unknowns. There’s no guarantees with anything when it come to business and people

        Timmins was definitely considered a Quality Prospect at the time and had produced significantly before losing a year to injury/concussions. ARI likely either wasn’t aware or was banking on him recovering, which unfortunately didn’t happen

        Yes, Markstrom can play 60+ games. He was dealing with a groin injury in VAN, then there was the shortened 56 game season and last year he took time off to be with his wife for the birth of their first child and this year he was dealing with a nagging lower body and/or hand injury and towards the end was disgruntled with ownership and the loss of Lindholm, Hanifin & Tanev, but mainly we we wanted to get Vladar in to build his value back up and Wolf in to see more game action, so everything’s explainable

        Using FLA, BOA & NYR is laughable. None of those Teams need a Goalie and Markstrom is smart enough to realize that. The Teams he should consider joining are NJD, OTT, TOR, LAK, DET, COL and maybe but low chance probabilities of CAR (Andersen has blood clotting issues and doesn’t typically value Goalie Trades), VAN (were they to move Demko because he let them down and wasn’t available due to injury) or EDM (same thing, Skinner let them down and they want a better Goalie for the playoffs).

        So there’s 6+ Teams looking for a True 1A and only one Markström, one Ullmark and one Saros (who I don’t think gets moved yet this off-season). That’s enough of a market for Markstrom’s services and then if you add retention + sweeteners, it’s enough to get and justify a quality return, like a 7-15th Overall Pick OR a Late Pick + Top Prospect
        Tue. at 9:54 p.m.
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        Quoting: KingofRnR
        You got a whole lot of ifs & buts in there, which is applicable to any goalie or player for that matter , regardless of age lol. That’s the risk you take when signing or acquiring a player, but you make that decision on what they’ve done and are rated at recently and what you think/hope they will continue to do for as long as you have or keep them

        Markstrom is arguably better than Ullmark who played on a much better team with a far better defensive corps in front of him. Ullmark might not like the idea of playing in NJ given the lack of support he would have in front of him. It’s arguably why the Goalies had didn’t succeed there. He could get absolutely eaten up there, but if they can grab him, perhaps they should. It’ll cost more than what you’re saying to get him though and do you sign him to a fat juicy contract extension right away now not knowing or do you wait and potentially lose him to free agency should we decide not to stay? What if you give him term and he falls off and sucks as a Devil and you’ve given him $6.5-8mil/yr and/or a NMC so can’t move him ? See that argument goes both ways dude and it’s exactly what happens when you try signing a backup too like DET did with Husso and OTT did with Korpisalo, so yeah, there are other & cheaper options that are just as risky and has tons of unknowns. There’s no guarantees with anything when it come to business and people

        Timmins was definitely considered a Quality Prospect at the time and had produced significantly before losing a year to injury/concussions. ARI likely either wasn’t aware or was banking on him recovering, which unfortunately didn’t happen

        Yes, Markstrom can play 60+ games. He was dealing with a groin injury in VAN, then there was the shortened 56 game season and last year he took time off to be with his wife for the birth of their first child and this year he was dealing with a nagging lower body and/or hand injury and towards the end was disgruntled with ownership and the loss of Lindholm, Hanifin & Tanev, but mainly we we wanted to get Vladar in to build his value back up and Wolf in to see more game action, so everything’s explainable

        Using FLA, BOA & NYR is laughable. None of those Teams need a Goalie and Markstrom is smart enough to realize that. The Teams he should consider joining are NJD, OTT, TOR, LAK, DET, COL and maybe but low chance probabilities of CAR (Andersen has blood clotting issues and doesn’t typically value Goalie Trades), VAN (were they to move Demko because he let them down and wasn’t available due to injury) or EDM (same thing, Skinner let them down and they want a better Goalie for the playoffs).

        So there’s 6+ Teams looking for a True 1A and only one Markström, one Ullmark and one Saros (who I don’t think gets moved yet this off-season). That’s enough of a market for Markstrom’s services and then if you add retention + sweeteners, it’s enough to get and justify a quality return, like a 7-15th Overall Pick OR a Late Pick + Top Prospect


        Ifs and buts are now applicable to older player, that's obvious.

        If you trade for a goalie and instantly extend him then you are an idiot.

        The Markstrom is better than Ullmark is debatable but one thing should be more likely, you likely get more years out of Ullmark than Markstrom because he's younger.

        Now Timmins is only a quality prospect not top prospect? Completely different and he was barely quality at the time and everyone knew it. Arizona was trying to buy low on him to see if he could turn into anything and it didn't work obviously.

        So what you are saying Markstrom wasn't healthy enough to play the whole season? Weird. Tough how nagging injuries affect you more when you get a bit older. Calgary was pushing for the playoffs, they weren't trying to get Vladar reps to build value. Markstrom wasn't playing well enough so they went with a different option.

        If we wants to win, Ottawa and Detroit aren't options. Colorado is not an option as they can't afford him, plus Georgiev wasn't even bad, they needed a backup. Carolina might be an option but they have their own cap issues and Kotchekov is likely the guy there. LA is a possibility but do they want to face Markstrom 5 times a season? Doubt they would want to move in division but it's not impossible. Ottawa and Detroit are rebuilders, I doubt he has much interest in either. Plus Detroit wouldn't be paying that crazy price. Your reason on Vancouver wanting him is just plain stupid. "Our franchise goalie got hurt so we are going to trade him so that we can try and trade for an older and worse one". Get out of here with that. Also Skinner hasn't let Edmonton down, he actually stole a couple games for them. Awful reference. Using Florida, New York or Boston is not a bag reference at all. All 3 are cup contender, great cities and maybe he decides, at his age, he would be a great 1B option.

        Top 15 pick is dreaming bud. Schneider got that being one of the best goalies in the league and by being young. I can see a late first with like 1-2M retention but that's it.
        Tue. at 10:03 p.m.
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        Quoting: Lancebmx
        Ifs and buts are now applicable to older player, that's obvious.

        If you trade for a goalie and instantly extend him then you are an idiot.

        The Markstrom is better than Ullmark is debatable but one thing should be more likely, you likely get more years out of Ullmark than Markstrom because he's younger.

        Now Timmins is only a quality prospect not top prospect? Completely different and he was barely quality at the time and everyone knew it. Arizona was trying to buy low on him to see if he could turn into anything and it didn't work obviously.

        So what you are saying Markstrom wasn't healthy enough to play the whole season? Weird. Tough how nagging injuries affect you more when you get a bit older. Calgary was pushing for the playoffs, they weren't trying to get Vladar reps to build value. Markstrom wasn't playing well enough so they went with a different option.

        If we wants to win, Ottawa and Detroit aren't options. Colorado is not an option as they can't afford him, plus Georgiev wasn't even bad, they needed a backup. Carolina might be an option but they have their own cap issues and Kotchekov is likely the guy there. LA is a possibility but do they want to face Markstrom 5 times a season? Doubt they would want to move in division but it's not impossible. Ottawa and Detroit are rebuilders, I doubt he has much interest in either. Plus Detroit wouldn't be paying that crazy price. Your reason on Vancouver wanting him is just plain stupid. "Our franchise goalie got hurt so we are going to trade him so that we can try and trade for an older and worse one". Get out of here with that. Also Skinner hasn't let Edmonton down, he actually stole a couple games for them. Awful reference. Using Florida, New York or Boston is not a bag reference at all. All 3 are cup contender, great cities and maybe he decides, at his age, he would be a great 1B option.

        Top 15 pick is dreaming bud. Schneider got that being one of the best goalies in the league and by being young. I can see a late first with like 1-2M retention but that's it.

        $1-2mil in retention for 2 full reasons is a big deal man. If it was $3mil and CGY sent 28th Overall, I could see them acquiring OTT’s 7th or NJD’s 10th otherwise their preference would be a Young Stud or a 1st + Top Prospect. We’ll see though. Only time will tell
        Wed. at 12:12 p.m.
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        Ifs and buts are now applicable to older player, that's obvious.

        If you trade for a goalie and instantly extend him then you are an idiot.

        The Markstrom is better than Ullmark is debatable but one thing should be more likely, you likely get more years out of Ullmark than Markstrom because he's younger.

        Now Timmins is only a quality prospect not top prospect? Completely different and he was barely quality at the time and everyone knew it. Arizona was trying to buy low on him to see if he could turn into anything and it didn't work obviously.

        So what you are saying Markstrom wasn't healthy enough to play the whole season? Weird. Tough how nagging injuries affect you more when you get a bit older. Calgary was pushing for the playoffs, they weren't trying to get Vladar reps to build value. Markstrom wasn't playing well enough so they went with a different option.

        If we wants to win, Ottawa and Detroit aren't options. Colorado is not an option as they can't afford him, plus Georgiev wasn't even bad, they needed a backup. Carolina might be an option but they have their own cap issues and Kotchekov is likely the guy there. LA is a possibility but do they want to face Markstrom 5 times a season? Doubt they would want to move in division but it's not impossible. Ottawa and Detroit are rebuilders, I doubt he has much interest in either. Plus Detroit wouldn't be paying that crazy price. Your reason on Vancouver wanting him is just plain stupid. "Our franchise goalie got hurt so we are going to trade him so that we can try and trade for an older and worse one". Get out of here with that. Also Skinner hasn't let Edmonton down, he actually stole a couple games for them. Awful reference. Using Florida, New York or Boston is not a bag reference at all. All 3 are cup contender, great cities and maybe he decides, at his age, he would be a great 1B option.

        Top 15 pick is dreaming bud. Schneider got that being one of the best goalies in the league and by being young. I can see a late first with like 1-2M retention but that's it.

        It’s VAN Fans pitching moving Demko btw, so not my idea Demko to NJD

        And Skinner has been shaky a lot this playoffs, hence why they turned to Pickard. Skinner let the very first shot on the Finals in too. He does this way too often unfortunately for the Oilers. He reminds me of Koskinen sometimes
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        It’s VAN Fans pitching moving Demko btw, so not my idea Demko to NJD

        And Skinner has been shaky a lot this playoffs, hence why they turned to Pickard. Skinner let the very first shot on the Finals in too. He does this way too often unfortunately for the Oilers. He reminds me of Koskinen sometimes


        Using one AGM from some fried poster is not Vancouver fans wanting to get rid of Demko. Also, the reason why might consider it is because of Silovs. That would mean Markstrom is still not viable. Plus Markstrom already left there, why would he go back?

        Skinner has been just fine. Every goalie will let in a weak one here and there, even the great Markstrom. Edmonton has a really bad defensive pairing, they leave him exposed. Skinner has been just fine these playoffs.
        Wed. at 12:34 p.m.
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        Using one AGM from some fried poster is not Vancouver fans wanting to get rid of Demko. Also, the reason why might consider it is because of Silovs. That would mean Markstrom is still not viable. Plus Markstrom already left there, why would he go back?

        Skinner has been just fine. Every goalie will let in a weak one here and there, even the great Markstrom. Edmonton has a really bad defensive pairing, they leave him exposed. Skinner has been just fine these playoffs.

        There’s several VAN Fan Demko Trade AGM’s since they were eliminated and hanging your hat on Silvos would be a gamble. Markstrom could go back and/or bridge the call gap for any team that has a Future Goalie Prospect, including OTT with Sogaard, they’d just have to figure out Korpisalo & Forsberg

        I’d rather the Oilers have Pickard in net tbh
         
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