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Hughes Tkachuk Ullmark

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Team: 2024-25 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2024
Published: Jun. 11, 2024
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Use this as a discussion place for what the value is for the following players:

Quinn Hughes (Vancouver Canucks)
Linus Ullmark (Boston Bruins)
Brady Tkachuk (Ottawa Senators)

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Wed. at 8:24 a.m.
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Hughes is that guy though. You clearly don’t watch him. If he was on Boston and McAvoy was on Vancouver you’d be saying Hughes is clearly better. Hughes was better offensively and defensively this season, by both the stats and eye test. Overall McAvoy is better defensively but this season Hughes was better. And the gap between them defensively is a lot smaller than the gap between them offensively

Also once again you don’t have any facts to support your argument. Just saying he has “flaws in certain areas”. If you polled NHL GMs and coaches most of them would take Hughes over McAvoy


if you're saying hughes was better defensively than mcavoy based on the eye test, you have a bias.
Wed. at 8:48 a.m.
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NHL teams speak very clearly about what they value with their wallets.


I don't think it's that simple. There are two things that come into play when it comes to contracts - on ice and off ice. Lets take tampa as an example (not a contract example) - if you take a look at who was most important to their three year run, my moneys on Hedman (or vasi). I would be really surprised if Kucherov and Stamkos didn't sell more jerseys and shirts etc. There are financial decisions at play here, and goals are sexy.

I also think the market is starting to correct itself there, in fact, it may have already. First, there are WAY fewer top end d men out there than top end forwards. It's just a harder thing to find, and there's twice as many forwards in the league than d men. But, we still have plenty of examples of d men getting paid. Doughty and Karlsson got monster deals. Dahlin just got an 8x11 and I wouldn't necessarily call him elite...though he's getting there. Dougie Hamilton kinda sucks and got $9M. RFAs like Fox, McAvoy, and Makar all got 9+.
Wed. at 8:53 a.m.
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I don't think it's that simple. There are two things that come into play when it comes to contracts - on ice and off ice. Lets take tampa as an example (not a contract example) - if you take a look at who was most important to their three year run, my moneys on Hedman (or vasi). I would be really surprised if Kucherov and Stamkos didn't sell more jerseys and shirts etc. There are financial decisions at play here, and goals are sexy.

I also think the market is starting to correct itself there, in fact, it may have already. First, there are WAY fewer top end d men out there than top end forwards. It's just a harder thing to find, and there's twice as many forwards in the league than d men. But, we still have plenty of examples of d men getting paid. Doughty and Karlsson got monster deals. Dahlin just got an 8x11 and I wouldn't necessarily call him elite...though he's getting there. Dougie Hamilton kinda sucks and got $9M. RFAs like Fox, McAvoy, and Makar all got 9+.


So what you’re saying is the fact that Jack Hughes is one of the biggest and most marketable stars in the NHL only further adds to his value in the eyes of NHL teams. Perfect glad we have that out of the way.

All you have done is explain a further reason why Cs are more valuable than Dmen in the eyes of NHL GMs
Wed. at 9:13 a.m.
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So what you’re saying is the fact that Jack Hughes is one of the biggest and most marketable stars in the NHL only further adds to his value in the eyes of NHL teams. Perfect glad we have that out of the way.

All you have done is explain a further reason why Cs are more valuable than Dmen in the eyes of NHL GMs


uhhhh just not what i said, and you're shifting the goal posts here.

I clearly....very clearly explained why there might be off-ice influence that impacts their contractual commitments. You were stating that the contract is a clear indicator of what they value more. I gave you my reasoning as to why I don't think that is accurate.

Not sure why you chose to completely ignore the point, but it doesn't lead to a very good discussion. We've got less than a month left here, might as well read each others posts if we're going to reply.
Wed. at 9:19 a.m.
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uhhhh just not what i said, and you're shifting the goal posts here.

I clearly....very clearly explained why there might be off-ice influence that impacts their contractual commitments. You were stating that the contract is a clear indicator of what they value more. I gave you my reasoning as to why I don't think that is accurate.

Not sure why you chose to completely ignore the point, but it doesn't lead to a very good discussion. We've got less than a month left here, might as well read each others posts if we're going to reply.


Teams pay them more because they value them more yes.

The off ice things still apply when it comes to trade and valuations there.

NHL teams speak with their wallets about who and what they value.
Wed. at 9:22 a.m.
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Teams pay them more because they value them more yes.

The off ice things still apply when it comes to trade and valuations there.

NHL teams speak with their wallets about who and what they value.


sure.

but again, why are you shifting the goal posts/ignoring the key points of the discussion?

this is about what is most important on the ice, and no, bigger contractual commitments does not necessarily mean more important for winning hockey games.

get it now?
Wed. at 9:35 a.m.
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sure.

but again, why are you shifting the goal posts/ignoring the key points of the discussion?

this is about what is most important on the ice, and no, bigger contractual commitments does not necessarily mean more important for winning hockey games.

get it now?


Except I was talking about trade value the entire time. And off ice factors that make centers more valuable than dmen still apply when it comes to trade values.
Wed. at 9:41 a.m.
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sorry. he just isn't. you'll come around in 5 years when the canucks haven't done much and its because he's getting beat in the corners in critical third period moments every playoff


At 5-5 in the playoffs the Canucks gave up 5 goals against with Hughes on the ice in 244 minutes. In 253 minutes with McAvoy on the ice the Bruins gave up 12. But Hughes sucks because he can't shut it down in the playoffs, ok
Wed. at 9:42 a.m.
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Except I was talking about trade value the entire time. And off ice factors that make centers more valuable than dmen still apply when it comes to trade values.


ehhhh, to owners, maybe. not to GMs. they don't care about that stuff at all. Now, if there's a superstar hockey trade, ya, ownership is going to get involved.
Wed. at 9:45 a.m.
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At 5-5 in the playoffs the Canucks gave up 5 goals against with Hughes on the ice in 244 minutes. In 253 minutes with McAvoy on the ice the Bruins gave up 12. But Hughes sucks because he can't shut it down in the playoffs, ok


did you watch?
Wed. at 10:01 a.m.
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did you watch?


It's so pointless to argue "oh eye test" because if I say I watched and Hughes was better you're just going to say no and theirs not an actual argument. The facts are that McAvoy gave up way more goals while on the ice then Hughes did
Wed. at 10:04 a.m.
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ehhhh, to owners, maybe. not to GMs. they don't care about that stuff at all. Now, if there's a superstar hockey trade, ya, ownership is going to get involved.


So for example if a superstar such as Jack Hughes or Quinn Hughes or Brady Tkachuk or any of the players besides Ullmark being discussed here?

Also If you think GMs only focus is on ice results idk what to tell you. It’s really not
Wed. at 10:06 a.m.
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It's so pointless to argue "oh eye test" because if I say I watched and Hughes was better you're just going to say no and theirs not an actual argument. The facts are that McAvoy gave up way more goals while on the ice then Hughes did


i mean we're not exactly talking about a close contest here. lol its charlie mcavoy and quinn hughes. cmon pal.

this would be like me trying to argue that mcavoy is a better offensive d man than quinn hughes. he isn't. of course he isn't.
Wed. at 10:09 a.m.
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So for example if a superstar such as Jack Hughes or Quinn Hughes or Brady Tkachuk or any of the players besides Ullmark being discussed here?

Also If you think GMs only focus is on ice results idk what to tell you. It’s really not


uhhhh ya. they do. it's their position. there are teams of people that analyze off-ice financial models. that's why GMs get over ruled sometimes. Honestly the Thornton trade had such a big part in that. the bruins lost SO much money because of that. Hockey wise, getting Joe out of there was probably the right move (return was terrible obviously), freeing up room to go get Chara. Financial nightmare. GMs are singularly focused. win on the ice. whether that is a short or long term vision, that's what they do. they have bosses. the bosses care about money.
Wed. at 10:10 a.m.
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uhhhh ya. they do. it's their position. there are teams of people that analyze off-ice financial models. that's why GMs get over ruled sometimes. Honestly the Thornton trade had such a big part in that. the bruins lost SO much money because of that. Hockey wise, getting Joe out of there was probably the right move (return was terrible obviously), freeing up room to go get Chara. Financial nightmare. GMs are singularly focused. win on the ice. whether that is a short or long term vision, that's what they do. they have bosses. the bosses care about money.


Ahh so you are going to nitpick individual job titles now.

Sorry. NHL front offices take into account more than just on ice results when making personnel decisions.
Wed. at 10:12 a.m.
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Ahh so you are going to nitpick individual job titles now.

Sorry. NHL front offices take into account more than just on ice results when making personnel decisions.


alright i guess we got our wires crossed here. i'm talking about what NHL teams value when it comes to trying to win hockey games and championships.
Wed. at 10:19 a.m.
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alright i guess we got our wires crossed here. i'm talking about what NHL teams value when it comes to trying to win hockey games and championships.


Maybe the front office who tried to sign Mitchell Miller only cares about winning hockey games, but others keep other factors in mind.
Wed. at 10:22 a.m.
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Maybe the front office who tried to sign Mitchell Miller only cares about winning hockey games, but others keep other factors in mind.


that's really not the zinger you thought it was.

Think the devils front office had no clue what was about to go down with a couple of their players that turned themselves in to authorities recently?


also tell me more about how holtz scored more than any bruin other than pastrnak. almost forgot about that one.
Wed. at 10:58 a.m.
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if you're saying hughes was better defensively than mcavoy based on the eye test, you have a bias.


You have no argument backing up McAvoy being better than Hughes defensively this season. You’re just saying a whole lot of nothing. Let’s hear why he was better defensively
Wed. at 10:59 a.m.
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that's really not the zinger you thought it was.

Think the devils front office had no clue what was about to go down with a couple of their players that turned themselves in to authorities recently?


also tell me more about how holtz scored more than any bruin other than pastrnak. almost forgot about that one.


Holtz objectively scored what would have tied him for 2nd on Boston in 5v5 goals. This is an objective fact. You then got confused between even strength (counting empty net and overtime)
Wed. at 11:46 a.m.
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Holtz objectively scored what would have tied him for 2nd on Boston in 5v5 goals. This is an objective fact. You then got confused between even strength (counting empty net and overtime)


holtz would have tied with three bruins for fifth in even strength goals.
Wed. at 11:47 a.m.
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You have no argument backing up McAvoy being better than Hughes defensively this season. You’re just saying a whole lot of nothing. Let’s hear why he was better defensively


it's subjective. what do you want? i think you should just watch both guys play. if you come to the same conclusion that you have, that's fine. I'll just move on knowing you have no clue what you're talking about.
Wed. at 11:49 a.m.
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it's subjective. what do you want? i think you should just watch both guys play. if you come to the same conclusion that you have, that's fine. I'll just move on knowing you have no clue what you're talking about.


I think you should watch Hughes play. It’s clear you’re holding a prior narrative against him, when both the eye test and stats show he’s been great defensively
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Wed. at 11:51 a.m.
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I think you should watch Hughes play. It’s clear you’re holding a prior narrative against him, when both the eye test and stats show he’s been great defensively


i've said he's improved a ton defensively, but to say he's great? you're lying to yourself.
Wed. at 11:58 a.m.
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i've said he's improved a ton defensively, but to say he's great? you're lying to yourself.


He is great defensively. The eye test backs it up and the stats back it up
 
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