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Marner Deals what say you

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Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 12, 2024
Published: Jun. 12, 2024
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****EDIT**** Since everyone seems to think Marner is going ANYWHERE without a contract extension, all these deals assume a contract extension for Marner, as well as any pending UFA or RFA included in any of the deals. I don't want this to be about what you deem as too much/too little money or term, so the contracts are whatever you think is fair considering every market's internal things like taxes and internal cap structures.

Many deals for Mitch Marner, some are rumors, some I just came up with. how far off are they? What would you change?
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Saros, Juuse
  2. 2024 1st round pick (NSH)
2.
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
  2. 2024 1st round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Mitch Marner
3.
TOR
  1. Hållander, Filip [Reserve List]
  2. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier [RFA Rights]
  3. 2025 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2026 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
    Mitch Marner
    Nicholas Robertson
    4.
    TOR
    1. Anderson, Josh
    2. Beck, Owen
    3. Savard, David
    4. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
    MTL
      Mitch Marner
      2024 1st round pick (TOR)
      5.
      TOR
      1. Burns, Brent
      2. Necas, Martin [RFA Rights]
      3. 2024 3rd round pick (CAR)
      4. 2025 2nd round pick (CAR)
      CAR
      1. Steeves, Alex [RFA Rights]
      Additional Details:
      Mitch Marner
      6.
      TOR
      1. Johnson, Kent [RFA Rights]
      2. Merzlikins, Elvis
      3. Nylander, Alexander [RFA Rights]
      4. 2024 1st round pick (CBJ)
      CBJ
        Mitch Marner
        2026 3rd round pick (TOR)
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        2024
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        2026
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        UFA - 1
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        UFA - 2
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        RFA - 1
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        UFA - 2
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        $853,333$853,333 (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
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        RFA - 3
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        UFA - 3
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        NMC
        UFA - 6
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        RFA - 1
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        M-NTC
        UFA - 1
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        $5,000,000$5,000,000
        G
        UFA - 1
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        $9,500,000$9,500,000
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        NMC
        UFA - 6
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        $5,400,000$5,400,000
        G
        M-NTC
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $3,500,000$3,500,000
        RD
        UFA - 1
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        $1,100,000$1,100,000
        RD
        RFA - 1
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        $5,280,000$5,280,000
        RD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
        $1,350,000$1,350,000
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        UFA - 3
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        RFA - 1

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        Wed. at 10:01 a.m.
        #1
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        If you think Marner is getting a top 5 pick in this draft + solid roster players you are going to be depressed.
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        Wed. at 10:05 a.m.
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        Incredibly easy decline for Chicago.
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        Wed. at 10:06 a.m.
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        First question is why does Marner waive to any team in his contract year? Why do poor teams acquire a one year rental at the expense of a top pick?
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        Wed. at 10:07 a.m.
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        Only the Canes deal I like, but they're well known for cheap ownership, so they'll say no thanks.

        Trading Marner leaves a HUGE hole on the Leafs RW side, Necas can help there and getting a RHD helps and getting Draft picks help.

        Trading Marner for goalies is a BIG no thanks.

        Trading for S. Jones, no thanks, who's contract is already aging poorly as we speak and their is still 6 more years left!

        Dubas and the Pens have nothing.

        The Habs would have to give up a good young roster player not the players you listed.
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        Wed. at 10:07 a.m.
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        LOL, the Hawks will not be trading the 2nd overall pick as part of a deal to acquire MM.

        If Marner ends up a Hawk it will be due to him signing as a FA in July, 2025.
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        Wed. at 10:16 a.m.
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        Habs aren’t giving up 5OA for marner
        Wed. at 10:20 a.m.
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        NSH wouldn't agree to this deal due to the nature of when Saros can sign a contract, so 2024 picks would be off the table. The only way Saros gets moved is if contract negotiations go way south, likely after Shesterkin signs a deal and sets the markets, and it could potentially price Saros out of NSH either on money or term if Shesterkin's contract is as big as it has been rumored to be.
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        Wed. at 10:31 a.m.
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        Edited Wed. at 10:38 a.m.
        I mean... CHI just straight up IS NOT trading for Marner. Marner isn't waiving his FULL NMC, but even if he does, prepare to be massively disappointed with the return, because those expectations are insane. Given the fact that CHI is nowhere near contending, they can afford to wait for their targets to hit free agency. I wouldn't even trade CHI's 2nd round pick for him.
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        Wed. at 10:32 a.m.
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        Quoting: palhal
        First question is why does Marner waive to any team in his contract year? Why do poor teams acquire a one year rental at the expense of a top pick?


        This exact scenario has happened many many times. Players in contract years have been traded and signed extensions following the trade, or signed extensions then traded. It happens all the time
        Wed. at 10:32 a.m.
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        These values are all over the shop. And too high to begin with. BUT you did not include a Blues trade, so I say peace and happiness be with you always.
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        Wed. at 10:37 a.m.
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        Quoting: Goal_Dancers
        This exact scenario has happened many many times. Players in contract years have been traded and signed extensions following the trade, or signed extensions then traded. It happens all the time


        Certainly doesn't happen all the time. Marner certainly isn't going to a Utah or virtually any team without a new contract in hand. But of course it's a lazy post, when no details of this extension isn't given. And really why should Utah make the trade? Just use their cap to sign UFAs. Marner is near impossible trade. He's overpaid now, and why would teams resign him to a raise and give up assets for him.
        Wed. at 10:40 a.m.
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        I dont see a trade here that the Leafs would want. The closest would be Nashvilles. But even then, Saros is just going to walk in a year when he wants 8-10m to stay in TO. So no real value there long term. A lot of futures here that don't help the Leafs in their win now mode. Swapping Marners huge cap hit for Seth Jones huge cap hit doesn't really get them any closer to success.
        The value might be there in a few of these trades. But value isnt the most important thing. Getting what you need right now is. None of these deals really do that.
        Wed. at 10:48 a.m.
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        Quoting: palhal
        Certainly doesn't happen all the time. Marner certainly isn't going to a Utah or virtually any team without a new contract in hand. But of course it's a lazy post, when no details of this extension isn't given. And really why should Utah make the trade? Just use their cap to sign UFAs. Marner is near impossible trade. He's overpaid now, and why would teams resign him to a raise and give up assets for him.


        lol lazy post? sorry boss, I'll work harder next time...
        Wed. at 11:04 a.m.
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        Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
        Only the Canes deal I like, but they're well known for cheap ownership, so they'll say no thanks.

        Trading Marner leaves a HUGE hole on the Leafs RW side, Necas can help there and getting a RHD helps and getting Draft picks help.

        Trading Marner for goalies is a BIG no thanks.

        Trading for S. Jones, no thanks, who's contract is already aging poorly as we speak and their is still 6 more years left!

        Dubas and the Pens have nothing.

        The Habs would have to give up a good young roster player not the players you listed.


        Habs aren't giving SQUAT for 1 yr of Marner when we won't make the playoffs, lol. Enjoy next year's 1st round
        Wed. at 11:11 a.m.
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        Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
        Habs aren't giving SQUAT for 1 yr of Marner when we won't make the playoffs, lol. Enjoy next year's 1st round


        For crying out loud. I thought it was obvious contract extensions would be in place. Marner isnt waiving for a move with no contract and the leafs arent trading for unsigned RFAs or pending UFAs without assurances.
        Wed. at 11:13 a.m.
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        Quoting: Goal_Dancers
        For crying out loud. I thought it was obvious contract extensions would be in place. Marner isnt waiving for a move with no contract and the leafs arent trading for unsigned RFAs or pending UFAs without assurances.


        Well its not mentioned...Even with a contract extension I wouldn't want Marner on the Habs
        Wed. at 11:23 a.m.
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        Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
        Only the Canes deal I like, but they're well known for cheap ownership, so they'll say no thanks.

        Trading Marner leaves a HUGE hole on the Leafs RW side, Necas can help there and getting a RHD helps and getting Draft picks help.

        Trading Marner for goalies is a BIG no thanks.

        Trading for S. Jones, no thanks, who's contract is already aging poorly as we speak and their is still 6 more years left!

        Dubas and the Pens have nothing.

        The Habs would have to give up a good young roster player not the players you listed.


        A. Calling the canes ownership cheap is such an outdated and untrue accusation they just don’t want brutal contacts on their books

        B. Assuming Marner signs an extension then the hurricanes probably agree to the trade
        Wed. at 11:34 a.m.
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        Quoting: JarvisforSelke
        A. Calling the canes ownership cheap is such an outdated and untrue accusation they just don’t want brutal contacts on their books

        B. Assuming Marner signs an extension then the hurricanes probably agree to the trade


        A. Yes they are cheap. Though if Marner gets his bonus paid by the Leafs, the owner wouldn't care if it was a 1 year rental.
        B. Canes wouldn't even pay Aho over $10 million AAV, so they'll never pay big dollar for a franchise player.
        Wed. at 11:48 a.m.
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        Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
        A. Yes they are cheap. Though if Marner gets his bonus paid by the Leafs, the owner wouldn't care if it was a 1 year rental.
        B. Canes wouldn't even pay Aho over $10 million AAV, so they'll never pay big dollar for a franchise player.


        Marner is substantially better than Aho in so many ways.
        Wed. at 12:39 p.m.
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        Quoting: Goal_Dancers
        Marner is substantially better than Aho in so many ways.


        The biggest difference between Marner and Aho is that Aho has never ever had a bad playoffs.

        Marner had back to back 0 goals scored playoffs and this spring (though I don't fault Marner because the Core 5 only played Game 7 together as healthy players, with Matthews missing 2 1/2 games and Nylander missing 3 games, Marner and JT were left trying to defeat the B's themselves).
        Yesterday at 2:30 p.m.
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        Habs decline.
        I think they're looking for players with character.
        And not willing to give up on their 5 OA pick, along with Beck
        Yesterday at 2:40 p.m.
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        Edited Yesterday at 2:48 p.m.
        Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
        The biggest difference between Marner and Aho is that Aho has never ever had a bad playoffs.

        Marner had back to back 0 goals scored playoffs and this spring (though I don't fault Marner because the Core 5 only played Game 7 together as healthy players, with Matthews missing 2 1/2 games and Nylander missing 3 games, Marner and JT were left trying to defeat the B's themselves).


        Are you referencing 4 and 5 season old stat lines? Marner had 14 points in 11 playoff games last season and 8 in 7 the year before. This year was 3 points in 7 games. Overall in playoffs over their careers Marner and Aho are 57GP 50 pts, 74 GP 70 pts respectively or 0.88 and 0.95 points/game respectively. Marner is also the better defensive player, playing top PK minutes consistently throughout his entire career.
        Yesterday at 2:51 p.m.
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        Quoting: Goal_Dancers
        Are you referencing 4 and 5 season old stat lines?, but Marner had 14 points in 11 playoff games last season and 8 in 7 the year before. This year was 3 points in 7 games. Overall in playoffs over their careers Marner and Aho are 57GP 50 pts, 74 GP 70 pts respectively or 0.88 and 0.95 points/game respectively. Marner is also the better defensive player, playing top PK minutes consistently throughout his entire career.


        The time in between playoff goals for Marner was 2019-2022.
        Marner's 3 pts in 7 games this past playoffs.

        Goals scored are more praised than assists made, sad but true.

        I'm pretty sure if you ask 10 Nhl fans, 9 of them would rather Aho in the playoffs over Marner.
        Yesterday at 2:56 p.m.
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        Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
        The time in between playoff goals for Marner was 2019-2022.
        Marner's 3 pts in 7 games this past playoffs.

        Goals scored are more praised than assists made, sad but true.

        I'm pretty sure if you ask 10 Nhl fans, 9 of them would rather Aho in the playoffs over Marner.


        Going to have to agree to disagree here. Marner isnt getting assists because he chipped a puck out of his zone and someone came down and scored. hes getting highlight reel assists, that without his pass, the goal doesnt go in. People are far to recency biased these days. Guy had one bad playoff. I would not trade marner for Aho even up, ever
        Yesterday at 3:01 p.m.
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        Quoting: Goal_Dancers
        Going to have to agree to disagree here. Marner isnt getting assists because he chipped a puck out of his zone and someone came down and scored. hes getting highlight reel assists, that without his pass, the goal doesnt go in. People are far to recency biased these days. Guy had one bad playoff. I would not trade marner for Aho even up, ever


        I agree that Marner is special, the guy isn't quite a God but he is the Wizard with the puck on his stick.

        There is a reason why hockey fans are placing Nylander higher up than Marner, it's just goals scored.

        Though Willy floats around and is a lazy backchecker who doesn't play consistently shift per shift, let alone game by game.

        Aho and Nylander are more comparable. Until Willy learns to try harder and defend, I'd pick Marner and Aho over him.
         
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