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Aug. 9, 2017 at 2:56 p.m.
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This thread is for all non-BOG members to be able give their input regarding BOG material. Please only post feedback you have, and do not have conversations or debates in this thread at any time. Thanks
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 3:33 p.m.
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Seems like from the responses received, we'll have the following events occur on these days

August 12th: deadline to announce you are running for BOG
August 13th - ?: BOG elections
August 21st: second wave of FA begins

BOG has passed this, but we'll wait one day before making it official, in the event anyone else has any problems with this

If anyone has any issues with this, please post so in reply to this comment
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 6:55 p.m.
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Quoting: DavidBooth7
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Seems like from the responses received, we'll have the following events occur on these days

August 12th: deadline to announce you are running for BOG
August 13th - ?: BOG elections
August 21st: second wave of FA begins

BOG has passed this, but we'll wait one day before making it official, in the event anyone else has any problems with this

If anyone has any issues with this, please post so in reply to this comment


I feel like we need a BOG Charter or Mission Statement of sorts. The BOG has a number of responsibilities and is not intended to be a status symbol.
It's work. For the good of the game and on behalf of the other GM's.

The people who have the time and level of commitment necessary, are taking it upon themselves to put in the effort that more casual GM's can't afford to spend.
This involves checking rules and working them into our game, making decisions on issues, and the processing/planning of rules/methods to incorporate the various game elements.
Other parts of the job involve hosting discussion, hearing feedback, communication, aiding GM's in understanding and implementing procedures, disciplinary action, etc.

In order to take on all of those tasks, an above average commitment, the ability to communicate effectively, researching/fact checking, and awareness of the rules in place are paramount.
If not every member possesses those requirements, there should at least exist a balance, but the time available to commit to the job and having someone who can communicate effectively, are the most important factors. It isn't easy to keep everyone on the same page with time delayed communication. Being concise and able to respond promptly go a long way toward closing those time gaps.

1. GM Representation: It is the duty of the BOG to represent all 31 GM's. Primarily for voting purposes, as expecting all 31 GM's to vote on every issue is both impractical and time consuming.
However, the BOG should also be able to separate their personal opinions and goals from those of the GM's they represent. The BOG still gets their input as individual GM's, but final decisions should be made with the majority of the league's remaining GM's in mind. If you don't believe your input is in line with the wishes of the majority of GM's, it is your duty to act accordingly. That might mean your vote has to go against your own opinions. If feedback or popular opinion is overwhelmingly in opposition to your own input, you have to be able to accept that.

2. League Representation: It is the duty of the BOG to represent the best interests of the league. At times, this will be directly against GM Representation. That is fine, as long as you are able to remain objective. Sometimes, what the majority of the GM's want, may not necessarily be in line with the rules or the best interests of the game. In such cases, it is your job to explain your position to the other GM's and work with them to take suitable action if you are unable to convince the majority of the validity of your stance. (Just because 16 GM's want a $90M salary cap, does not mean it should be implemented.) When in doubt, get as close to real life circumstances as possible and work from there. This also includes disciplinary action, penalties, GM replacements, etc..
The primary method to represent the league, is to work with public feedback in developing rules that cover these situations, so that there is a clear expectation and outlined consequences for failing to meet those expectations. In this way, you are representing GM's by giving them fair opportunity to control their own fate, while also representing the needs of the league.
If a GM is in line with the rules and expectations placed upon them, the BOG represents the GM. Even if they disagree with the GM.
If a GM is out of line or has failed to meet expectations, the BOG still has a responsibility to the GM, but the rules will take precedence.
If this is not possible with the current structure, the BOG represents the GM until the structure has been corrected.

3. Communication: Off-site communication has become an increasing trend and has been creating issues. While this is acceptable and voluntary for teams in the course of managing their teams, it is not an acceptable method of communication for league issues. It circumvents the responsibility of the bog to host discussion and hear feedback. All league-related discussion should take place within the forums.

4. Resolution: The majority of the issues should be resolved by the rules and proper communication, in addition to that which is outlined above. When this fails, precedence and fairness between teams should be considered, along with the general health of the league.

5. Voting: When required, passing of resolutions should be based on a nearly unanimous BOG vote. If the BOG is divided on a vote, chances are the other GM's will be as well. In those cases a public vote should be held to gauge the public's opinion and the BOG vote should be modified to reflect that, or the popular vote should take precedence. Voting is not just a chore, it is a serious responsibility. You are expected to vote in accordance with what you feel is in the best interest of the majority of the GM's and the league as a whole. If you are only voting to go along with another BOG member's choice, you are not doing your job. If the BOG are not critical of each other and willing to take a stance when required, they are not fulfilling their responsibilities. Do your own thinking, make a judgement based on feedback, and read into other GM's opinions before making a decision.

6. Activity: As a BOG member, you are expected to maintain a visible profile, engage in discussion, help with the implementation of procedures, debate and vote on issues, monitor for issues, and bring any important matters to attention. Simply managing your team and voting when required are not enough and/or engaging in activities outside of the forum, do not provide the necessary presence or confidence that you are indeed carrying out your duties to the satisfaction of the GM's you represent. BOG members may be assigned active roles within the group to have members specialized in certain areas, if their level of activity and profile are maintained and other BOG members are willing to shoulder certain responsibilities, but that does not excuse BOG members from active participation in issues, or their responsibilities to the GM's they represent.

7. Removal: Sometimes a BOG member will step down or need to be removed/replaced for a number of reasons. Negligence or inactivity primarily, but failing to live up to the expectations of the GM's you represent is just as important.
a) If a BOG member needs to step down, that is not an issue. It is a voluntary position and it isn't for everyone, or circumstances can change and make it unavoidable.
b) If a BOG member has been negligent, not active enough, or otherwise not fulfilling their duties, it is the prerogative and expectation that the remaining BOG acknowledge the issue and make efforts to correct it. Whether it be a warning or vote for removal, it is a BOG member's duty to make sure the BOG is fully operational and functioning as intended. This should always be picked up on and corrected by the BOG before it becomes a larger issue.
c) If a BOG member falls under b) and the BOG does not take the initiative to deal with the issue, or a BOG member is not meeting expectations according to the majority of GM's that they represent, they may be asked to step down. A nomination for removal, accompanied by at least 6 other GM's (7 GM's in total) should be sufficient to request a BOG member admit they have not been performing their role and voluntarily step down so a better suited member can be voted in.
If a BOG member does not wish to step down voluntarily at that point, the remaining BOG members must hold a vote for removal.
After the BOG vote for removal, if those GM's are still not satisfied, they may request a public vote with another 3 supporting GM's (10 GM's in total, with the number of BOG in favor of removal counting towards that total).

This should always be considered a last resort. The individual member or other BOG members should recognize and admit to there being an issue before it ever gets this far.

8. BOG Elections: When an election is held for the BOG, it will always be a new public vote conducted by the BOG. Past voting results are not a factor, neither is seniority. Those who wish to volunteer for consideration may do so. The BOG will give at least 48 hours before conducting a vote, and another 48 hours to allow GM's to place their votes. Activity, maturity, knowledge, communication, and reputation should all be considered by voters. BOG members have a number of responsibilities and expectations to fulfill and you will want someone in place who is able to carry out the role effectively so your job as a GM is made simpler and easier.

** Disclaimer: I wrote this stream of thought in intervals, so if anything is confusing or redundant, I apologize. It wasn't something I had planned out, just a bunch of stuff in my head. Nobody should take offense or be concerned about something based on what I wrote here. I'm only worried about meeting objectives and systematic elements. Sticking Out Tongue **

P.S. I'm going to be looking into some FA things as well, but I'll get to that at a later time.
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 6:57 p.m.
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You should just get rid of the BoG and make Rico the overruler... BoG seems to have caused more problems then solved since its creation
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 8:33 p.m.
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You should just get rid of the BoG and make Rico the overruler... BoG seems to have caused more problems then solved since its creation


I second the motion
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 8:46 p.m.
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You should just get rid of the BoG and make Rico the overruler... BoG seems to have caused more problems then solved since its creation


I disagree because that means one person makes all decisions.
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 9:10 p.m.
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You should just get rid of the BoG and make Rico the overruler... BoG seems to have caused more problems then solved since its creation


this brings us back to a RAIF situation in concept.
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 9:15 p.m.
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I think we all know that there is a difference between Raif and Rico
Aug. 9, 2017 at 9:19 p.m.
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I think we all know that there is a difference between Raif and Rico


yeah we know the difference, just its the concept, not the person.
Aug. 9, 2017 at 9:27 p.m.
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I think we all know that there is a difference between Raif and Rico


yeah we know the difference, just its the concept, not the person.


For instance Kim Jong-un is bad but the Dalai Lama is good. Same basic concept for both of them
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Aug. 9, 2017 at 9:32 p.m.
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You should just get rid of the BoG and make Rico the overruler... BoG seems to have caused more problems then solved since its creation


I disagree because that means one person makes all decisions.


I disagree as well. The principle is the same. One person should not be making decisions.
I think enough people have seen that I can be rather strict and make things complicated if left unchecked. That can be just as bad.
The idea is that an individual has flaws and those can be mitigated and compensated by a group dynamic.
I'll do my best to guide people in what I feel is the right direction, that's it. I'll give my input and then try my best to make sure that direction is executed, for better or worse, whether I agree or not.
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Aug. 10, 2017 at 12:50 a.m.
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You should just get rid of the BoG and make Rico the overruler... BoG seems to have caused more problems then solved since its creation


I disagree because that means one person makes all decisions.


agreed ... for example, when i was the guy making the rules official, it was okay for starting the game but once we got more GMs it didn't work out ... i don't think we should go through this same thing again, that's why the BOG was created.
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Aug. 10, 2017 at 11:38 a.m.
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I disagree because that means one person makes all decisions.


agreed ... for example, when i was the guy making the rules official, it was okay for starting the game but once we got more GMs it didn't work out ... i don't think we should go through this same thing again, that's why the BOG was created.


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Aug. 12, 2017 at 9:53 a.m.
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We should come up with something where teams can sign their upcoming UFAs. If we don't then guys with 1 year left on their deals are basically worthless.
Aug. 12, 2017 at 10:18 a.m.
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agreed ... for example, when i was the guy making the rules official, it was okay for starting the game but once we got more GMs it didn't work out ... i don't think we should go through this same thing again, that's why the BOG was created.


Im proud of you


I agree
Aug. 12, 2017 at 10:34 a.m.
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We should come up with something where teams can sign their upcoming UFAs. If we don't then guys with 1 year left on their deals are basically worthless.


But if we do that, free agency is basically worthless
Aug. 12, 2017 at 10:47 a.m.
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But if we do that, free agency is basically worthless


Would make the game way less complicated. Plus guys would still go to FA, it would just be more realistic where it's mainly plugs and older guys
Aug. 12, 2017 at 11:10 a.m.
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But if we do that, free agency is basically worthless


Would make the game way less complicated. Plus guys would still go to FA, it would just be more realistic where it's mainly plugs and older guys


Already thought about it. We'd just have limitations on how many extensions a team could offer.
Percentage of cap space you're allowed to use for extensions, total number of years offered for extensions, number of players you're allowed to extend, etc.

I think it's something we would all like to see in some form, so it's only a matter of working out the details.
I don't consider it pressing however. My suggestion would be that extensions occur after the trade deadline (which we should actually stick to in our game since we won't be operating on as condensed a schedule at that point). With the gist of every stage of the NHL season sorted out, we would need only improve on what we've already accomplished, work out the kinks, and have things prepared in advance so we are able to more closely follow the IRL timeline.
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I think after the trade deadline seems too late in the year. a team should be able to extend one of their players whenever they want really. For example...Tavares, Raif should be able to give him an extension at anytime as long as the BoG agrees the term and price seems reasonable.
Aug. 12, 2017 at 11:46 a.m.
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I think after the trade deadline seems too late in the year. a team should be able to extend one of their players whenever they want really. For example...Tavares, Raif should be able to give him an extension at anytime as long as the BoG agrees the term and price seems reasonable.


I was thinking at that point because we would be able to deal with all of the players with 1 and 2 years before heading into FA at the same time, but I suppose current 1 year guys should be dealt with sooner instead. It allows us to use the first group to work out the issues so it's smoother for the 2nd group.

Let's finish the current round of free agency, fix the league organization(/stop the drama), deal with the remaining free agent pool (2nd round), and outline the training camp/opening day roster process.
Then we will be free to focus on extensions. The other items are already on the table, so I'm reluctant to add another item in the middle unless it's pressing (BOG). I think that's still a decent timeline for dealing with extensions?
Aug. 12, 2017 at 12:12 p.m.
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I think after the trade deadline seems too late in the year. a team should be able to extend one of their players whenever they want really. For example...Tavares, Raif should be able to give him an extension at anytime as long as the BoG agrees the term and price seems reasonable.


as much as i want to sign Tavares, that would be unfair as nobody else would get a chance to sign him ... you can re-sign UFAs, you just have to wait until free agency and then match the highest offer. It's been set up pretty good i'd say.
Aug. 12, 2017 at 12:16 p.m.
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Why should anyone else get a chance if you are able to pay a legit amount to resign? How often do you see a player like Tavares hot FA? Basically never!
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Why should anyone else get a chance if you are able to pay a legit amount to resign? How often do you see a player like Tavares hot FA? Basically never!


because, though a guy like Tavares or Doughty (UFA in 2 years), or Karlsson, Bobrovsky, etc, would likely take less money to re-sign with their current teams, we don't have people being the players in this game, so we can't just have a list of players who will take less money to re-sign ... most players would take 4M somewhere else over 3M with their current team (those amounts and just examples).
Aug. 12, 2017 at 12:31 p.m.
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Why should anyone else get a chance if you are able to pay a legit amount to resign? How often do you see a player like Tavares hot FA? Basically never!


because, though a guy like Tavares or Doughty (UFA in 2 years), or Karlsson, Bobrovsky, etc, would likely take less money to re-sign with their current teams, we don't have people being the players in this game, so we can't just have a list of players who will take less money to re-sign ... most players would take 4M somewhere else over 3M with their current team (those amounts and just examples).


You can't just sign him to whatever you want, it would have to be approved. Something like 7 years at $10 mil per is very likely so if you are willing to do that then you should be able to keep him. The way we are running free agency works but there are plenty of ways to improve on it. We are trying to keep this as realistic as possible.
Aug. 12, 2017 at 12:35 p.m.
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The whole point of Free Agency is to allow those FAs to hit the market. By allowing teams to re-sign players for an agreed price doesn't allow teams to pursue top FAs (Tavares).

It can be modified to be less confusing.
 
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