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TOR, CBJ and MTL Trades

Created by: KyBull
Team: 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 1, 2017
Published: Sep. 1, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,250,000
Trades
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2.
3.
COL
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. Morrow, Joe
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. van Riemsdyk, James
  2. 2018 4th round pick (COL)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$61,083,094$0$1,662,500$13,916,906
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
UFA - 4
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
UFA - 6
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, C
UFA - 2
$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$3,937,500$3,937,500
C, LW
UFA - 2
$885,833$885,833 (Performance Bonus$662,500$662K)
C
UFA - 3
$741,666$741,666 (Performance Bonus$75,000$75K)
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$75,000$75K)
C, RW
UFA - 2
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$2,400,000$2,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
$875,000$875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$2,825,000$2,825,000
LD
UFA - 1
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
$5,900,000$5,900,000
G
UFA - 2
$894,166$894,166
LD
UFA - 3
$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000
D
RFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Sep. 1, 2017 at 1:08 p.m.
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TML On The Rise!
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I honestly think Toronto would do that trade in a heartbeat.
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Sep. 1, 2017 at 1:54 p.m.
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Montreal needs a top center or a top defenseman.... One of each of these are involved, but not to Montreal which gets another winger on a team already deep on LW....
Sep. 1, 2017 at 2:05 p.m.
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Your JVR trade with Toronto fetches a lower value then with Montreal...... Toronto would never give up Dermott AND JVR for Barrie.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 2:33 p.m.
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Sorry Tomcas, but I do agree with Laynious that Toronto would definitely make that move. I also however agree with Robb, that this doesn't address Montreal's needs in anyway! (but should add. . . . "WHO CARES")!
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Sep. 1, 2017 at 2:52 p.m.
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Tomcas: Based on the term and age of Barrie, I say Toronto absolutely makes that deal. As for Montreal, I agree they need a center, but they will not get that this year (Taveras next year) but they could use a Radulov replacement to supplement their offense for this season - maybe take away Morrow, but I still feel it's fair.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 3:25 p.m.
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I would do that for CBJ.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 3:52 p.m.
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If you've only watched a single team for one season and have no clue about comparable players -- try Own The Puck

That way, you won't believe the whole world is unfair and imagine you're losing something for nothing

Your team's prospect with a 3rd pair ceiling < proven NHL 3rd pair < Barrie (who scores like a #1 D, but defends like a #5 D)
Sep. 1, 2017 at 4:54 p.m.
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I can't imagine Montreal giving up any of their future for one year of JVR. As a Leaf, I dislike the Barrie deal. Yea value wise it might be more than fair. But the Leafs need cap space next year. And as goldie078 pointed out while Barrie can be a scorer, he has marginal defence. Leafs can score , had the # 2 PP, finding competent Dmen costs less than 5.5m a year, without giving up assets.
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Sep. 1, 2017 at 5:43 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
I can't imagine Montreal giving up any of their future for one year of JVR. As a Leaf, I dislike the Barrie deal. Yea value wise it might be more than fair. But the Leafs need cap space next year. And as goldie078 pointed out while Barrie can be a scorer, he has marginal defence. Leafs can score , had the # 2 PP, finding competent Dmen costs less than 5.5m a year, without giving up assets.[/qu

Pal, Leafs have no cap issues next year at all. Loads of room. The only issue is the following year when both Marner and Matthiews come due. At that point you evaluate if Gardiner, and /or Barrie even fit your needs. Maybe before that, you move Gardiner, and if not, Barrie has no restrictions on his contract which would only have a year left on it! Leafs PP still doesn't have a true D quarterback, unless you think Zaitsev, (and it is possible) can take that role over..Both Gardiner, and Reilly don't work in that role. It is also possible that 2-3 years down the line Liljegren assumes that role. You are getting a top 2 for the one year of JVR, and a prosepect at least 4-5 down the depth chart.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 6:20 p.m.
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Doug, well the Leafs do have cap issues especially for performance bonuses. They Leafs want to zero carry, in summer of 2019 when he times for big signings. Marner, Matthews, Kapanen, Gardiner
Regarding Barrie's value. Again it's subjective. IMO no way is a 5.5m Dmen. I'd easily would like to have 870,000 Dermot and the extra 4.6m. And the PP argument. Gee, the Leafs have done quite we'll with rookie Zaitsev, Carrick along with Gardiner and Reilly. And Nylander might be a right point man, Again it's subjective. but I think you are wildly incorrect, if you think your are getting a top 2 Dman.
OK even he is a 4/5, I'd rather keep Dermot, have cap flexibility, either for performance bonuses or another player or yes have JVR for one year.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 6:22 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
I can't imagine Montreal giving up any of their future for one year of JVR. As a Leaf, I dislike the Barrie deal. Yea value wise it might be more than fair. But the Leafs need cap space next year. And as goldie078 pointed out while Barrie can be a scorer, he has marginal defence. Leafs can score , had the # 2 PP, finding competent Dmen costs less than 5.5m a year, without giving up assets.


Palhal, I think you are right about the Cap. I want to see the bonus overage from 2017-18 cleared up next year, as well as next year's bonuses, before the big cap crunch comes in 2019-20 and that means not using Horton's LTIR. So the cap is tight.
On the other hand, Barrie doesn't cost too much more than JVR, so they could probably shoe horn him in.
Still not sure it's the trade I would want, due to your point about Barrie's defensive side.

EDIT: crossed posts with your last one.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 7:41 p.m.
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Doug, well the Leafs do have cap issues especially for performance bonuses. They Leafs want to zero carry, in summer of 2019 when he times for big signings. Marner, Matthews, Kapanen, Gardiner
Regarding Barrie's value. Again it's subjective. IMO no way is a 5.5m Dmen. I'd easily would like to have 870,000 Dermot and the extra 4.6m. And the PP argument. Gee, the Leafs have done quite we'll with rookie Zaitsev, Carrick along with Gardiner and Reilly. And Nylander might be a right point man, Again it's subjective. but I think you are wildly incorrect, if you think your are getting a top 2 Dman.
OK even he is a 4/5, I'd rather keep Dermot, have cap flexibility, either for performance bonuses or another player or yes have JVR for one year.


Pal you know that I always enjoy solid criticism. But my point would continue to be that Dermott is at least a year or 2 away and at best replaces Gardiner as a 3/4. I like Zaitsev and think his numbers will continue to grow. I think Gardiner's advanced stats last year are a mirage and can't be sustained and thus the need for another offensive Dman. I think Carrick lost the confidence of Babcock late in the year and as such won't be used in PP situations. Nylander if used on the point would likely move to the left side used in conjunction with Zaitsev as the QB. Barrie is an undersized Dman, of which we have lots but $ wise fits within the system no matter the bonuses and overages for the next 2 years and easily if Gardiner gets moved and Rosen or Borgman (both I consider ahead of Dermott) grab a spot.
Sep. 1, 2017 at 8:47 p.m.
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I have like zero interest in Tyson Barrie.

He is the exact opposite of what we are looking for.
 
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