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Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:15 p.m.
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Black culture is the issue. They only make up 13% of the population and are responsible for 50% of the murders.

The United States pays more in education than the next (3) highest countries combined. Explain to me why the country that spends significantly more in education, has uneducated people. Is it because its the culture to not exercise your ability to get an education? Black people are not dumb, by any means at all. The issue is that black culture doesn't take advantage of this education that is out there.

Nobody talks about white-on-white crimes because it happens in significantly less rates than black-on-black crime.

Who exactly are they protesting then? The jury? The judge? How many of the people that are protesting have ever held a gun and been in a situation that is intense? Look at this video for more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Nobody talks about how intense this is. It's an extreme burden and you should always fear your life. You never know what people have. I'm not justifying some of the killings; I'm merely saying that we should think abt this too
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:20 p.m.
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Black culture is the issue. They only make up 13% of the population and are responsible for 50% of the murders.

The United States pays more in education than the next (3) highest countries combined. Explain to me why the country that spends significantly more in education, has uneducated people. Is it because its the culture to not exercise your ability to get an education? Black people are not dumb, by any means at all. The issue is that black culture doesn't take advantage of this education that is out there.

Nobody talks about white-on-white crimes because it happens in significantly less rates than black-on-black crime.

Who exactly are they protesting then? The jury? The judge? How many of the people that are protesting have ever held a gun and been in a situation that is intense? Look at this video for more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Nobody talks about how intense this is. It's an extreme burden and you should always fear your life. You never know what people have. I'm not justifying some of the killings; I'm merely saying that we should think abt this too


Please show me that statistic from a source that isn't conservative propaganda. There are a lot of reasons why our education system is fucked, and it's not just black people who are suffering from it. From corrupt teacher's unions to our resources being funneled into charter schools, the education problem affects blacks disproportionately, but it still affects people of any and all races. Here we go again with the "blacks are lazy" myth.

Also, the ratio for white-on-white crimes to black-on-black crimes is something like 85% to 91%. Not a big difference.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:26 p.m.
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And even if that statistic is true, are you suggesting that being born into poverty and attending failing schools are part of "black culture"? If you think that's the fault of the people born into such a lifestyle, please tell that to them to their faces while keeping a straight face. I can pull up a lot of statistics from sites that aren't liberal propaganda to prove that blacks are, in BLM's own words, "disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools".

It's not as simple as blacks simply choosing not to improve. I wish it was that simple, as if it were, they'd definitely choose to improve and would ultimately be on equal footing with whites. There are systematic factors at work that severely hinder their advancement. Of course, black born into wealthier families don't have nearly as many problems.
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Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:31 p.m.
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The ratio I am using is that from that time, whites made up more than 70% of the population, while blacks make up 13% of the population and they still commit more murder, 52% to be exact.

Bureau of Justice Statistics is where those statistics are from, but they were then used by the DailyWire, who is not "conservative propaganda", just like CNN isn't "liberal propaganda".

You said that the issue is poverty, which leads to poor education. I said that education is one of the top 3 of the United States federal spendings. Black people are not "lazy", don't put words into other peoples mouths. I am saying that black culture is the issue. Everyone of any race can succeed in a free market economy, something that we have. Capitalism discriminates against no creed, sexual orientation, race, etc. Its colorblind to green
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:32 p.m.
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It's called racial oppression, which is not an easy thing to climb out of. It goes back to slavery days, and there are still examples of racism alive today. You can't turn history like this around in days weeks or even years, it takes decades, sometimes centuries to overcome oppression.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:34 p.m.
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Who's fault is it for black people having over 70% of their children in wedlock?

Who is at fault for black people being born into poverty?
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:36 p.m.
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It's called racial oppression, which is not an easy thing to climb out of. It goes back to slavery days, and there are still examples of racism alive today. You can't turn history like this around in days weeks or even years, it takes decades, sometimes centuries to overcome oppression.


I am not saying that racism isn't still prevalent. My issue is that we can only combat it, together, by addressing specific issues, not simply saying its out there in the ether. That doesn't help anyone to say that it exists. If we can work together and combat a certain instance, than we can eliminate racism, at least most of it
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:37 p.m.
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The ratio I am using is that from that time, whites made up more than 70% of the population, while blacks make up 13% of the population and they still commit more murder, 52% to be exact.

Bureau of Justice Statistics is where those statistics are from, but they were then used by the DailyWire, who is not "conservative propaganda", just like CNN isn't "liberal propaganda".

You said that the issue is poverty, which leads to poor education. I said that education is one of the top 3 of the United States federal spendings. Black people are not "lazy", don't put words into other peoples mouths. I am saying that black culture is the issue. Everyone of any race can succeed in a free market economy, something that we have. Capitalism discriminates against no creed, sexual orientation, race, etc. Its colorblind to green


Give me a link to those statistics. As for education, it doesn't matter how much money we funnel into it; it's so inefficient that the money goes to waste. That's what leads to failing schools. Of course blacks want to take advantage of good education, but they lack access to it. Do you think it's as easy as a 5-year old kindergartner saying "I want access to a better education and I'm gonna get it myself"?

And yes, the USA does have capitalism. So much that it's no longer capitalism at all: it's corporatism. If capitalism is not balanced, it leads to corporatism in the same way that if socialism is not balanced, it leads to communism. If you think capitalism is a good way to run an economy, there's nothing wrong with that. If you think corporatism is a good way to run an economy, you're either a CEO or a heartless human being. With corporations being in bed with our politicians and having unparalleled power, is the free market really free anymore?
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Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:39 p.m.
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Who's fault is it for black people having over 70% of their children in wedlock?

Who is at fault for black people being born into poverty?


Aren't you supposed to have kids in wedlock?

The poverty thing? Whites are at fault.....your forefathers for treating Africans and African Americans as slaves..... I thought they taught history in U.S. schools???
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:40 p.m.
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus800…

There is public schools everywhere.

Where is there corporatism in the United States?
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:41 p.m.
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Who's fault is it for black people having over 70% of their children in wedlock?

Who is at fault for black people being born into poverty?


Again, all of those problems can be traced to poverty, which can be traced to poor education. Don't you think if blacks could access better education, they would?
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:42 p.m.
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It's called racial oppression, which is not an easy thing to climb out of. It goes back to slavery days, and there are still examples of racism alive today. You can't turn history like this around in days weeks or even years, it takes decades, sometimes centuries to overcome oppression.


I am not saying that racism isn't still prevalent. My issue is that we can only combat it, together, by addressing specific issues, not simply saying its out there in the ether. That doesn't help anyone to say that it exists. If we can work together and combat a certain instance, than we can eliminate racism, at least most of it


Agreed, and the NFL players who have a voice, and are quite wealthy are trying to make a difference now by putting attention to the issues. It's not about disrespecting the flag or the anthem or the country like some dumb U.S. president likes to say, it's making a statement that racial profiling exists, and it needs to change. I already said all this once in this thread.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:44 p.m.
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Who's fault is it for black people having over 70% of their children in wedlock?

Who is at fault for black people being born into poverty?


Aren't you supposed to have kids in wedlock?

The poverty thing? Whites are at fault.....your forefathers for treating Africans and African Americans as slaves..... I thought they taught history in U.S. schools???


Wedlock means "not married".

Why am I assumed to be white? Why are my "forefathers" assumed to be from America in the 1600s? My family, both sides, came to America after the Emancipation Proclamation. I am 50% Irish and have some mixed of Czech, Polish, German.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus800…

There is public schools everywhere.

Where is there corporatism in the United States?


Check out our lawmakers. All of the Republicans (and even some Democrats) have been purchased by big money corporations, screwing us common folk over while helping out CEOs. It's evident in our wealth distribution as well. http://www.businessinsider.com/inequality-in-the-us-is-much-more-extreme-than-you-think-2015-6
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.
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Thats capitalism. There is no max to what you can make. Thats the beauty of it.

The 1% worked hard and they deserve what they have
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:50 p.m.
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Thats capitalism. There is no max to what you can make. Thats the beauty of it.

The 1% worked hard and they deserve what they have


If you think there's nothing wrong with wealth inequality, that's pretty hilarious. I'm gonna stop here b/c I do not want a debate.
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Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:52 p.m.
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Thats capitalism. There is no max to what you can make. Thats the beauty of it.

The 1% worked hard and they deserve what they have


If you think there's nothing wrong with wealth inequality, that's pretty hilarious. I'm gonna stop here b/c I do not want a debate.


Inequality is not the same as inequity.

If you want to say its "pretty hilarious" and then not engage in discourse, thats hilarious.

what is wrong with wealth inequality?
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:56 p.m.
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If you think there's nothing wrong with wealth inequality, that's pretty hilarious. I'm gonna stop here b/c I do not want a debate.


Inequality is not the same as inequity.

If you want to say its "pretty hilarious" and then not engage in discourse, thats hilarious.

what is wrong with wealth inequality?


If you want a debate you can have one, I guess. Wealth inequality in a vacuum isn't bad as long as the gap isn't too dramatic. The wealth inequality in the United States is staggering, and it's a result of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Even when taking inflation into account, since the 80s, the pay of CEOs has gone up by 500%, while the pay of regular workers has gone up a mere 10%. I can find a source if you'd like. That's not a healthy economy if the generated wealth goes just to the 1%. At the risk of sounding like a "communist", which I am not, the 1% can't be the 1% without a workforce to help them get there.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 2:57 p.m.
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Check out that article I left. http://www.businessinsider.com/inequality-in-the-us-is-much-more-extreme-than-you-think-2015-6

What do you make of the "ideal", "believed", and "actual" distributions?

I don't want it flat across the board, where the bottom 20% has the same amount of $$ as the top 20%. That's not healthy either. But the distribution we have in the United States is just as unhealthy as it would be if we had communism.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 3:03 p.m.
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If you want to be rich, then make a product that the market demands.

So if, for example, we slash the Walmart CEO's salary, 20M and make it 0. He has 2,200,000. Lets evenly allocate his salary to everyone. Congrats, you made everyone a total of $9.09.

The basic level of this is sports. Better and more valuable players get paid more than those who are less valuable. You wouldn't pay Connor McDavid and Ben Lovejoy the same amount, right?
Sep. 27, 2017 at 3:04 p.m.
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I think the market should dictate the amount of wealth allocation. The ideal is whatever the market is able to produce. Unless there is inequity.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 3:07 p.m.
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If an NHL player ever does that, I would immediately lose all respect for him. If his team/management backs him up, I lose all respect for the team. Even if it's the Caps


only time I've ever agreed with you
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If you want to be rich, then make a product that the market demands.

So if, for example, we slash the Walmart CEO's salary, 20M and make it 0. He has 2,200,000. Lets evenly allocate his salary to everyone. Congrats, you made everyone a total of $9.09.

The basic level of this is sports. Better and more valuable players get paid more than those who are less valuable. You wouldn't pay Connor McDavid and Ben Lovejoy the same amount, right?


Nice hyperbole that takes my points hilariously out of context. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it seems that you don't think that wealth inequity is a big problem in the United States. Why is that?
Sep. 27, 2017 at 3:12 p.m.
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Because, like Bentham and Smith, I don't think we should de-incentive people to work. (this applies primarily to a progressive tax).

I don't think "zero-sum" is the best and ideal way to run a market. If you can make money, make money. "Positive sum" is when there is no ceiling of maximizing your utility, nor should there be.
Sep. 27, 2017 at 3:40 p.m.
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Aren't you supposed to have kids in wedlock?

The poverty thing? Whites are at fault.....your forefathers for treating Africans and African Americans as slaves..... I thought they taught history in U.S. schools???


Wedlock means "not married".

Why am I assumed to be white? Why are my "forefathers" assumed to be from America in the 1600s? My family, both sides, came to America after the Emancipation Proclamation. I am 50% Irish and have some mixed of Czech, Polish, German.


I'm just gonna jump in here for a little definition clarification. Wedlock means the state of being married. Which is why a baby born to unmarried parents is said to have been had "out of" wedlock.
 
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