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What would you rather have?

Superior Offense or Superior Defense?
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Sep 26, 2017 at 6:44
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《Offense》

Ovechkin - Crosby - Tarasenko
Benn - McDavid - Kucherov
Hall - Tavares - Kane
Eichel - Matthews - Laine

Girardi - Lovejoy
AMac - McQuaid
Marincin - Fayne


{OR}


Komarov - Moore - Ward
Read - Vermette - Mcleod
D. Grant - Stajan - Stalberg
Engelland - Mclement - Ott

Hedman - Karlsson
Kieth - Doughty
Gio - Burns


Which one wins a championship?
Sep 26, 2017 at 6:47
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Quoting: Mr_cap
《Offense》

Ovechkin - Crosby - Tarasenko
Benn - McDavid - Kucherov
Hall - Tavares - Kane
Eichel - Matthews - Laine

Girardi - Lovejoy
AMac - McQuaid
Marincin - Fayne


{OR}


Komarov - Moore - Ward
Read - Vermette - Mcleod
D. Grant - Stajan - Stalberg
Engelland - Mclement - Ott

Hedman - Karlsson
Kieth - Doughty
Gio - Burns


Which one wins a championship?


Put Sbisa on the OFF team
Sep 27, 2017 at 10:29
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I think that a bad defenseman can cause more harm to their own team than a bad forward, simply because they are on the ice longer. However, looking at your teams, there are more high-talent forwards than high-talent defensemen on either team, and I think they can outclass the defensive team, which leads me to choose the offensive team.
Sep 27, 2017 at 11:37
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DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!
Sep 27, 2017 at 12:49
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Engelland is a defenseman.
And i'll take the forwards because at least it has a few guys that are pretty good even at NHL level on D.
Sep 27, 2017 at 1:51
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Engelland is a defenseman.
And i'll take the forwards because at least it has a few guys that are pretty good even at NHL level on D.


Can you rephrase that please? Who or what is "it" and you take forwards why?
Sep 27, 2017 at 1:55
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Engelland is a defenseman.
And i'll take the forwards because at least it has a few guys that are pretty good even at NHL level on D.


Can you rephrase that please? Who or what is "it" and you take forwards why?


He said that he'll take the forward option that Mr Cap put together "it" because he likes the D
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Sep 27, 2017 at 1:56
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I mean if these two teams faced off, the offense wins lol. I think a better question sis would you rather have defensive minded forwards or offensive mind d-men
Sep 27, 2017 at 2:01
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I mean if these two teams faced off, the offense wins lol. I think a better question sis would you rather have defensive minded forwards or offensive mind d-men


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.
Sep 27, 2017 at 2:06
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: ON3M4N
I mean if these two teams faced off, the offense wins lol. I think a better question sis would you rather have defensive minded forwards or offensive mind d-men


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.


And that’s why Boston isn’t anywhere close to a Stanley cup....

The best defence is a good offence. If the puck is always in the offensive end, how can your opponents score? The Pittsburgh Nashville series is a great example of this. A mediocre offence with the best defence in the leauge, lost to the best offence in the leauge with a mediocre defensive core. The NHL is changing. Elite offensive players win championships.
Sep 27, 2017 at 2:10
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Quoting: mhockey91
Quoting: PaulDunnill


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.


And that’s why Boston isn’t anywhere close to a Stanley cup....

The best defence is a good offence. If the puck is always in the offensive end, how can your opponents score? The Pittsburgh Nashville series is a great example of this. A mediocre offence with the best defence in the leauge, lost to the best offence in the leauge with a mediocre defensive core. The NHL is changing. Elite offensive players win championships.


haha ok!!! Whatever you think!!
Sep 27, 2017 at 2:38
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And that’s why Boston isn’t anywhere close to a Stanley cup....

The best defence is a good offence. If the puck is always in the offensive end, how can your opponents score? The Pittsburgh Nashville series is a great example of this. A mediocre offence with the best defence in the leauge, lost to the best offence in the leauge with a mediocre defensive core. The NHL is changing. Elite offensive players win championships.


haha ok!!! Whatever you think!!


sorry what team is back 2 back cup champs because of an elite offence? point proven
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Sep 27, 2017 at 2:40
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Quoting: mhockey91
Quoting: PaulDunnill


haha ok!!! Whatever you think!!


sorry what team is back 2 back cup champs because of an elite offence? point proven


Minnesota is another great example. Mediocre offence followed by a great defence doesn't get them far in the playoffs
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Sep 27, 2017 at 3:31
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: ON3M4N
I mean if these two teams faced off, the offense wins lol. I think a better question sis would you rather have defensive minded forwards or offensive mind d-men


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.


Fantasy points? You mean goals and assists? Which are what teams need to accumulate to win games?
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Sep 27, 2017 at 3:53
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: mhockey91


And that’s why Boston isn’t anywhere close to a Stanley cup....

The best defence is a good offence. If the puck is always in the offensive end, how can your opponents score? The Pittsburgh Nashville series is a great example of this. A mediocre offence with the best defence in the leauge, lost to the best offence in the leauge with a mediocre defensive core. The NHL is changing. Elite offensive players win championships.


haha ok!!! Whatever you think!!


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A book about PaulDunnill.
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Sep 27, 2017 at 4:21
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: ON3M4N
I mean if these two teams faced off, the offense wins lol. I think a better question sis would you rather have defensive minded forwards or offensive mind d-men


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.


Between the two teams the OP has, you can't honestly tell me that the team with the "elite defense" wins. Now historically you are correct and defense tends to win championships.. Here are the last 8 Champions and where they ranked in GA/GP

2017 - PIT (15th)
2016 - PIT (6th)
2015 - CHI (2nd)
2014 - LAK (1st)
2013 - CHI (1st)
2012 - LAK (2nd)
2011 - BOS (2nd)
2010 - CHI (5th)

In the case of the two teams in the OP, I'd take the offensive team as I don't think the defense is is that much better that it would be able to keep the elite offense at bay.
Sep 27, 2017 at 5:52
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Engelland is a defenseman.
And i'll take the forwards because at least it has a few guys that are pretty good even at NHL level on D.


Can you rephrase that please? Who or what is "it" and you take forwards why?


'it' meaning the team with the great forward group. and i said why.
Sep 27, 2017 at 5:54
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'Oh, i mean, the forward team doesn't have any good defensemen ... they're all trash.' unsure
Sep 27, 2017 at 11:58
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Quoting: ON3M4N
Quoting: PaulDunnill


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.


Between the two teams the OP has, you can't honestly tell me that the team with the "elite defense" wins. Now historically you are correct and defense tends to win championships.. Here are the last 8 Champions and where they ranked in GA/GP

2017 - PIT (15th)
2016 - PIT (6th)
2015 - CHI (2nd)
2014 - LAK (1st)
2013 - CHI (1st)
2012 - LAK (2nd)
2011 - BOS (2nd)
2010 - CHI (5th)

In the case of the two teams in the OP, I'd take the offensive team as I don't think the defense is is that much better that it would be able to keep the elite offense at bay.


hmmmmm... so the last couple years is a "changing of the guard"?? or an anomaly??
Sep 28, 2017 at 10:33
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Quoting: ON3M4N
Quoting: PaulDunnill


But a great D (including goaltender) can defend the best players. I think everyone just gets horny over goals and "fantasy" points. I like it when my team shuts out another.


Between the two teams the OP has, you can't honestly tell me that the team with the "elite defense" wins. Now historically you are correct and defense tends to win championships.. Here are the last 8 Champions and where they ranked in GA/GP

2017 - PIT (15th)
2016 - PIT (6th)
2015 - CHI (2nd)
2014 - LAK (1st)
2013 - CHI (1st)
2012 - LAK (2nd)
2011 - BOS (2nd)
2010 - CHI (5th)

In the case of the two teams in the OP, I'd take the offensive team as I don't think the defense is is that much better that it would be able to keep the elite offense at bay.


Now let's look at GF/GP for the last 8 champions:

2017 - PIT (1st)
2016 - PIT (3rd)
2015 - CHI (17th)
2014 - LAK (26th)
2013 - CHI (2nd)
2012 - LAK (29th)
2011 - BOS (5th)
2010 - CHI (3rd)
Sep 28, 2017 at 4:31
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
Quoting: ON3M4N


Between the two teams the OP has, you can't honestly tell me that the team with the "elite defense" wins. Now historically you are correct and defense tends to win championships.. Here are the last 8 Champions and where they ranked in GA/GP

2017 - PIT (15th)
2016 - PIT (6th)
2015 - CHI (2nd)
2014 - LAK (1st)
2013 - CHI (1st)
2012 - LAK (2nd)
2011 - BOS (2nd)
2010 - CHI (5th)

In the case of the two teams in the OP, I'd take the offensive team as I don't think the defense is is that much better that it would be able to keep the elite offense at bay.


Now let's look at GF/GP for the last 8 champions:

2017 - PIT (1st)
2016 - PIT (3rd)
2015 - CHI (17th)
2014 - LAK (26th)
2013 - CHI (2nd)
2012 - LAK (29th)
2011 - BOS (5th)
2010 - CHI (3rd)


So you can get away with an average offense if you have a great defense. That 2013 CHI team was just dominate it both areas lol
Sep 28, 2017 at 7:07
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Quoting: Mr_cap
《Offense》

Ovechkin - Crosby - Tarasenko
Benn - McDavid - Kucherov
Hall - Tavares - Kane
Eichel - Matthews - Laine

Girardi - Lovejoy
AMac - McQuaid
Marincin - Fayne


{OR}


Komarov - Moore - Ward
Read - Vermette - Mcleod
D. Grant - Stajan - Stalberg
Engelland - Mclement - Ott

Hedman - Karlsson
Kieth - Doughty
Gio - Burns


Which one wins a championship?


Would have been a better poll if you actually listed a good defensive lineup!!
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Sep 28, 2017 at 10:42
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Quoting: Mr_cap
《Offense》

Ovechkin - Crosby - Tarasenko
Benn - McDavid - Kucherov
Hall - Tavares - Kane
Eichel - Matthews - Laine

Girardi - Lovejoy
AMac - McQuaid
Marincin - Fayne


{OR}


Komarov - Moore - Ward
Read - Vermette - Mcleod
D. Grant - Stajan - Stalberg
Engelland - Mclement - Ott

Hedman - Karlsson
Kieth - Doughty
Gio - Burns


Which one wins a championship?


Would have been a better poll if you actually listed a good defensive lineup!!


Nah point was dman not the defensive forwards.
 
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