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is tavares a top 10 forward in the NHL

is tavares a top 10 forward in the NHL
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Sep. 30, 2017 at 12:25 a.m.
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yes, but you did know it's not all about points, right?


Ironically, that is the majority of your contentions for players when I present "advanced" stats.

The fact is that Patrick Kane can have offensive production that is unprecedented every. single. year. John Tavares, yeah, he's offensively talented, but he isn't a guy I want to rely on with less than 2 minutes and say, "hey, go tie this game up," or "we need to score to stay alive".

Patrick Kane is a stud on offense, more so that it offsets his defensive play.


Yeah Kane over Tavares and I hate Kane/ love Tavares. Can’t deny whose better thougb
Sep. 30, 2017 at 1:03 p.m.
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yes, but you did know it's not all about points, right?


Ironically, that is the majority of your contentions for players when I present "advanced" stats.

The fact is that Patrick Kane can have offensive production that is unprecedented every. single. year. John Tavares, yeah, he's offensively talented, but he isn't a guy I want to rely on with less than 2 minutes and say, "hey, go tie this game up," or "we need to score to stay alive".

Patrick Kane is a stud on offense, more so that it offsets his defensive play.


Yes, but if you have a guy who's more of an all-round player, you won't get to that situation as often.

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Top 10 players in the NHL (no order)

Karlsson
Stamkos
Crosby
McDavid
Price
Hedman
Malkin
Kane
Benn
Kucherov/Tarasenko


Take out kuch, throw in Tavares and that list is spot on


I agree JT should be on that list but Kucherov makes it too ...
Sep. 30, 2017 at 1:09 p.m.
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What about Bergeron? He'll end his career with more selke trophies than anyone in history.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 1:22 p.m.
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 1:26 p.m.
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


Insert massive facepalm here

And how the **** do you not have Malkin?!?
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Sep. 30, 2017 at 1:50 p.m.
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Insert massive facepalm here

And how the **** do you not have Malkin?!?


Without changing to subject. Look through my comment history and I'm just going to say I agree with leaving him out. Not saying anything more. Don't want to make people mad. It's just an opinion.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 1:52 p.m.
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


You get on Kane's case for a lack of "defensive play" but still have Ovi on the top 10 forwards?
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:19 p.m.
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


You get on Kane's case for a lack of "defensive play" but still have Ovi on the top 10 forwards?


LMFAO I didn't even realize Ovi was there. Ovi mostly defends by slashing.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: boltscharge17
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


Insert massive facepalm here

And how the **** do you not have Malkin?!?


forgot about him, he probably gets in ahead of Bergeron or Getzlaf.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:34 p.m.
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


You get on Kane's case for a lack of "defensive play" but still have Ovi on the top 10 forwards?

Well he has a better defensive game than Kane.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:36 p.m.
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You get on Kane's case for a lack of "defensive play" but still have Ovi on the top 10 forwards?

Well he has a better defensive game than Kane.


Not until recently. Trotz has gotten on him and made him change his game to play more defensively (and it looks like it's cost him some of his offensive potential).

Kane's never even come close to the -35 Ovechkin put up a few years ago lol.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:40 p.m.
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Well he has a better defensive game than Kane.


Not until recently. Trotz has gotten on him and made him change his game to play more defensively (and it looks like it's cost him some of his offensive potential).

Kane's never even come close to the -35 Ovechkin put up a few years ago lol.


but this is now we're talking about. We aren't saying top 10 forwards a few years ago.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:42 p.m.
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Not until recently. Trotz has gotten on him and made him change his game to play more defensively (and it looks like it's cost him some of his offensive potential).

Kane's never even come close to the -35 Ovechkin put up a few years ago lol.


but this is now we're talking about. We aren't saying top 10 forwards a few years ago.


Oh so we're talking now? So 33 goals and 69 points is top 10 forward level for Ovi then?
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:43 p.m.
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Not until recently. Trotz has gotten on him and made him change his game to play more defensively (and it looks like it's cost him some of his offensive potential).

Kane's never even come close to the -35 Ovechkin put up a few years ago lol.


but this is now we're talking about. We aren't saying top 10 forwards a few years ago.


Ovechkin isn't that good anymore and you still have him in top 10...
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:44 p.m.
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but this is now we're talking about. We aren't saying top 10 forwards a few years ago.


Oh so we're talking now? So 33 goals and 69 points is top 10 forward level for Ovi then?


if Ovi is top 10, Matthews is top 10 no matter what
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.
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but this is now we're talking about. We aren't saying top 10 forwards a few years ago.


Oh so we're talking now? So 33 goals and 69 points is top 10 forward level for Ovi then?


but he's really improved his all-round game which Kane hasn't done.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.
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but this is now we're talking about. We aren't saying top 10 forwards a few years ago.


Ovechkin isn't that good anymore and you still have him in top 10...

because he keeps losing? well same thing happened a few years ago?
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:48 p.m.
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Oh so we're talking now? So 33 goals and 69 points is top 10 forward level for Ovi then?


if Ovi is top 10, Matthews is top 10 no matter what


Now? Matthews got the same number of points that Ovi did i thought anyway.
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:50 p.m.
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Ovechkin isn't that good anymore and you still have him in top 10...

because he keeps losing? well same thing happened a few years ago?


it doesn't have anything to do with losing.

I can name 16 forwards that are better than Ovi.

Stamkos
Crosby
McDavid
Tarasenko
Kucherov
Panarin
Benn
Seguin
Tavares
Matthews
Kane
Malkin
Getzlaf
Pavelski
Scheifle

can you justify why 7 of them aren't as good?
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:53 p.m.
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


No malkin or Kane lmao that’s funny
Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:53 p.m.
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Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:55 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
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In no order:
McDavid
Crosby
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Stamkos
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Bergeron

Unless i'm forgetting someone, and no, that someone is not Kane.


No malkin or Kane lmao that’s funny


i forgot Malkin, i said i was probably forgetting someone ... Kane i've explained many times.
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Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:56 p.m.
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No malkin or Kane lmao that’s funny


i forgot Malkin, i said i was probably forgetting someone ... Kane i've explained many times.


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Sep. 30, 2017 at 2:56 p.m.
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My top 10 in no order:

Crosby
Mcdavid
Kane
Malkin
Stamkos
Benn
Seguin
Tavares
Ovi
Last spot was tough: leaning between backstrom, toews, and Matthews
Sep. 30, 2017 at 3:49 p.m.
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My top 10 in no order:

Crosby
Mcdavid
Kane
Malkin
Stamkos
Benn
Seguin
Tavares
Ovi
Last spot was tough: leaning between backstrom, toews, and Matthews


so i'm not the only one putting Ovi top 10 at least.
 
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