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Buffalo Sabres signed Jack Eichel (8 Years / $10,000,000 AAV)

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Oct 3, 2017 at 7:36 PM
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Jack Eichel has signed a new contract with the Buffalo Sabres.
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LENGTH: 8 YEARS
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
SIGNING TEAM: Buffalo Sabres
VALUE: $80,000,000
C.H.% : 13.33
SIGNING DATE: October 3, 2017
SEASONCLAUSECAP HIT AAV P. BONUSES S. BONUSES BASE SALARY TOTAL SALARY MINORS SALARY
2018-19$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2019-20$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2020-21$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$7,500,000$2,500,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2021-22$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2022-23NMC$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$7,500,000$2,500,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2023-24NMC$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2024-25NMC$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
2025-26NMC$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000$10,000,000
TOTAL$80,000,000$80,000,000$0$15,000,000$65,000,000$80,000,000$80,000,000
CLAUSE SOURCE: CapFriendly
Oct 3, 2017 at 7:39 PM
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About what I expected considering the other contracts signed this summer.
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Oct 3, 2017 at 8:09 PM
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Eichel is a stud
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Oct 3, 2017 at 8:19 PM
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For a guy who isn't even P/GP, this seems excessive. The term is great though, good for Buffalo to get him locked up for another 9 years.

I guess they're betting on an $80M+ cap going forward?
Oct 3, 2017 at 10:39 PM
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Two words Buffalo: Christian Ehrhoff awesome face

2014 draft:
#1 Ekblad $60 / 8y = $7.5
#2 Reinhart n/a
#3 Draisatl $68 / 8y = $8.5

2015 draft:
#1 McDavid $100 / 8y = $12.5
#2 Eichel $80 / 8y = $10
#3 Strome n/a

2016 draft:
#1 Matthews
#2 Laine
#3 Dubois
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Oct 4, 2017 at 9:28 AM
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Seems a bit high to me. Maybe he has over a PPG year this year and it will seem about right, but its definitely a risk.
Oct 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM
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14 roster players and 19 million of cap space next year. Nylander etc better step up...
Oct 4, 2017 at 1:12 PM
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Way too much considering McDavid is making $12.5 million a year. Even though there have been multiple long term, big money contracts this summer, I don't think Eichel should be making more than Pastrnak even.
Oct 4, 2017 at 1:22 PM
#9
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Its sort of like McDavid's first year, where dude only scored so many points. Eichel's second year was cut short by 21 games, a quarter of the season lost to injury. So, betting on Dude being healthy this year and playing with vengeance, I might say Dude could have fire inside wanting to live up to his promise of making people regret picking McDavid first, remember.
Oct 4, 2017 at 1:26 PM
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What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.
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Oct 4, 2017 at 10:43 PM
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jeremy
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bogosian moulson georges. (kill me now murray) add pominville. then kane and reinhart need money..its gonna be tight until some contracts expire. EDIT* Im happy with eichels contract. not happy with some decision tim murray made. hindsight blahdy-blahdy
Oct 5, 2017 at 12:06 PM
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Another overpayment predicated on McDavid's ridiculous contract. Yes, he's great. No, he's not worth Kane money. Not to mention you can see what the Kane/Toews contracts are doing to Chicago right now. These are RFA years, and the Sabres have all of the leverage with no arbitration rights. Maybe he's worth $10m in 4 years.. he's not right now
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Oct 6, 2017 at 7:54 AM
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If he's not getting 100 points, he should not be getting 10M. Simply not worth that amount. By those standards yes I also think McDavid is overpaid. Eichel should be at 7.5M - 8.5M. McDavid should be at 9.5M - 11M. Draisaitl's isn't too bad, but he is literally at the max that he should be paid. Should be closer to 7.5M - 8M.
Oct 7, 2017 at 5:16 PM
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Really? I can think of about 10 players who would disagree with that statement.
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Oct 9, 2017 at 8:34 AM
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Quoting: CD282
Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Really? I can think of about 10 players who would disagree with that statement.


They have a right to be wrong.
Oct 10, 2017 at 9:48 AM
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
Quoting: CD282


Really? I can think of about 10 players who would disagree with that statement.


They have a right to be wrong.


LOL, and so do you.
Oct 10, 2017 at 11:05 AM
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.
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Oct 10, 2017 at 11:16 AM
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Quoting: CD282
Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.


if you're talking about "talents" it doesn't make sense to include Kucherov, Panarin, Seguin, Huberdeau, Kuznetsov and Tarasenko. These are all in their prime. Doesn't make sense to evaluate "talents" with a five year gap between them.
Actually, I'd make a similar point for Scheifele. He's a now matured 1C. McDavid is obviously above and beyond him. Gaudreau and Draisaitl and Barkov are also older and more experienced than him. Guentzel might be a reach when comparing his talent to Eichel. That leaves only Marner and Laine, which is good company for him. Comparing Klingberg, Gostisbehere and Hamilton to Eichel is a reach too.
Oct 10, 2017 at 8:23 PM
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Quoting: Barathrum_Obama
Quoting: CD282


Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.


if you're talking about "talents" it doesn't make sense to include Kucherov, Panarin, Seguin, Huberdeau, Kuznetsov and Tarasenko. These are all in their prime. Doesn't make sense to evaluate "talents" with a five year gap between them.
Actually, I'd make a similar point for Scheifele. He's a now matured 1C. McDavid is obviously above and beyond him. Gaudreau and Draisaitl and Barkov are also older and more experienced than him. Guentzel might be a reach when comparing his talent to Eichel. That leaves only Marner and Laine, which is good company for him. Comparing Klingberg, Gostisbehere and Hamilton to Eichel is a reach too.


I think you're confusing "talent" with "potential". You absolutely can compare talent in players 3-4 years apart. Eichel will be 21 this month, I don't think it's a stretch to compare him with Kucherov who just turned 24 this summer. Draisaitl is just 12 months older than Eichel and Barkov 13 months, while Matthews is 11 months younger. If they aren't comparable, nobody is.
May 25 at 11:51 AM
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Quoting: CD282
Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.


Was Patrick Kane worth his contract?

Over their first 3 years...

Kane - .31 goals per game, .63 assists per game, .94 goals per game
Eichel - .35 goals per game, .50 assists per game, .85 goals per game

Not all that dissimilar. And factor in that Eichel has played on a bottom-dwelling team his whole career while Patrick Kane was on a team that won the Stanley Cup in his 3rd season.

My point was not that Eichel had a better season than some of these other guys (Kucherov, etc.), but he IS a better talent and has more promise, which is important since what we're discussing is in the context of a long term contract.
May 25 at 12:09 PM
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
Was Patrick Kane worth his contract?

Over their first 3 years...

Kane - .31 goals per game, .63 assists per game, .94 goals per game
Eichel - .35 goals per game, .50 assists per game, .85 goals per game

Not all that dissimilar. And factor in that Eichel has played on a bottom-dwelling team his whole career while Patrick Kane was on a team that won the Stanley Cup in his 3rd season.

My point was not that Eichel had a better season than some of these other guys (Kucherov, etc.), but he IS a better talent and has more promise, which is important since what we're discussing is in the context of a long term contract.


Kane's first standard contract was 5 x $6.3M, so I'm not sure that helps your case at all. When Kane signed his $10.5M contract he had brought the Cup to Chicago twice (and a third time in the season after signing that contract) and had been point-per-game or better in 4 separate seasons.

Eichel's contract is an overpay based on what he had achieved at the time of signing.
May 25 at 1:40 PM
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Quoting: CD282
Kane's first standard contract was 5 x $6.3M, so I'm not sure that helps your case at all. When Kane signed his $10.5M contract he had brought the Cup to Chicago twice (and a third time in the season after signing that contract) and had been point-per-game or better in 4 separate seasons.

Eichel's contract is an overpay based on what he had achieved at the time of signing.


Kane's contract you reference was signed over a decade ago when the cap was $44m. His contract was roughly 15% of the team's available cap at the time. Eichel's cap hit is roughly 13%, without taking into account that the cap will likely increase.

Your move.
May 25 at 4:58 PM
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
Kane's contract you reference was signed over a decade ago when the cap was $44m. His contract was roughly 15% of the team's available cap at the time. Eichel's cap hit is roughly 13%, without taking into account that the cap will likely increase.

Your move.


The information is right here on this website, you don't have to lie. Kane's first standard contract was about 11% of the cap.
May 25 at 5:04 PM
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Quoting: CD282
The information is right here on this website, you don't have to lie. Kane's first standard contract was about 11% of the cap.


You're right; I was intentionally lying. It couldn't possibly be because I didn't realize he signed the contract mid-season rather than in the offseason and didn't know that feature was on this site, so did my own research and math. You caught me.

Again, comparable stats at comparable points in their careers with comparable contracts relative to inflation.
May 25 at 5:18 PM
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
You're right; I was intentionally lying. It couldn't possibly be because I didn't realize he signed the contract mid-season rather than in the offseason and didn't know that feature was on this site, so did my own research and math. You caught me.

Again, comparable stats at comparable points in their careers with comparable contracts relative to inflation.


Kane's third contract was 15% and all along you've been comparing that contract with Eichel's second contract, which isn't a true comparable at all. It felt like you were trying to muddy the waters.
 
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