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Major rebuild(no more mediocrity)

Created by: jchabs1997
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 19, 2017
Published: Oct. 19, 2017
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Fire Bergevin and re-start
If you're not a contender rebuild, we've been mediocre for too long.
You can't win with a 10.5 million goalie

This is all probably highly unlikely but a rebuild is the way to go.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2018 3rd round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Plekanec, Tomas
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Habs retain 50% of remaining cap hit
2.
MTL
  1. Steel, Sam
  2. 2018 1st round pick (ANA)
3.
MTL
  1. Harkins, Jansen
  2. Mason, Steve
  3. Stanley, Logan
  4. 2018 1st round pick (WPG)
  5. 2019 1st round pick (WPG)
4.
MTL
  1. Fayne, Mark
  2. 2018 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (EDM)
5.
MTL
  1. Fasching, Hudson
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (BUF)
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2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$45,514,166$0$0$29,485,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$1,200,000$1,200,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$720,000$720,000
LW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$3,625,000$3,625,000
RD
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$4,100,000$4,100,000
G
UFA - 2
$1,425,000$1,425,000
LD
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$1,062,500$1,062,500
G
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Oct. 19, 2017 at 11:53 a.m.
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I don't agree that a total rebuild is necessary... the path you are on is the path edmonton took... very bad idea planning on sucking for years when the lottery pick odds have never been worse for the last place team... the path they should take is what toronto did when there new management took over.. Quick rebuild.

In other words you need to put more thought into who should stay and who should go... not to mention price and Petry have no trade clauses that have to be considered.
Oct. 19, 2017 at 12:01 p.m.
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7 games in and we want to rebuild??? Look at the number and stats. I don't know why everyone is crying that to fire Bergevin and start a rebuild. The season just started. Edm is doing worse then us, but no one is crying to start a rebuild there. We don't need a rebuild. Its not Bergevins fault that Pacioretty, Price and Galchenyuk aren't playing well. I'm pretty sure as soon as these guys start playing good hockey, everyone would shut up and not say ****, till they lose a game.
Oct. 19, 2017 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
I don't agree that a total rebuild is necessary... the path you are on is the path edmonton took... very bad idea planning on sucking for years when the lottery pick odds have never been worse for the last place team... the path they should take is what toronto did when there new management took over.. Quick rebuild.

In other words you need to put more thought into who should stay and who should go... not to mention price and Petry have no trade clauses that have to be considered.


Quick rebuilds are the ones that are done correctly. Long rebuilds are the ones that have failed. The goal in a rebuild should be to do it quickly. 2 years (Including this year), maybe a 3rd max. By the 4th your a playoff team again.

Also yes the odds are worse then ever but what is the other option exactly? Continue to make trades to push our Cup window closer? That is is exactly what is wrong with this team. On the path to eventually get to a point where there is no prospects, no draft picks, sub par roster talent and no cap space to maneuver. Aside from the cap space, which was totally unintentional, MB has done all three.

Yes this team needs to rebuild but I do agree, do it quickly. This doesn't have to be 5 years of suckitude.
Oct. 19, 2017 at 12:44 p.m.
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7 games in and we want to rebuild??? Look at the number and stats. I don't know why everyone is crying that to fire Bergevin and start a rebuild. The season just started. Edm is doing worse then us, but no one is crying to start a rebuild there. We don't need a rebuild. Its not Bergevins fault that Pacioretty, Price and Galchenyuk aren't playing well. I'm pretty sure as soon as these guys start playing good hockey, everyone would shut up and not say ****, till they lose a game.


Its not the point that it is 7 games. A rebuild should of happened the year Price got injured!!!! MTL is the only place where one player goes down with injury and they go from best team to worst team. That isn't a correctly functioning team.

MB has been prolonging the inevitable with bad decision after bad decision. This team will never win a cup because they are always 1 step behind and as long as guys like MB continue to make people like you think " as long as they get into the playoffs, anything can happen" the same ol' sh*t will happen every year but by that time we'll have exhausted all our valuable assets and a rebuild will HAVE to take 5 years so we can accumulate enough assets from the draft. The real question you need to ask yourself is would even be that bad if the Habs rebuilt? Whats the worst that would happen? They'd be a bad team probably. Guess what, this team is already bad and this time we don't have Price's A game to bail us out all the time. So in your timeline the Habs keep truckin along making the playoffs some years but losing in the 1st round and just barely missing the playoffs some other years, my timeline has the team making an organizational change that needs to happen. In 5 years time the Habs would more than likely accomplish as much or more then your time frame's Habs and we'd be trending up instead of down.

Yes the players share the blame but this team's inadequate start of the season falls squarely on MB right now. What did you expect would happen, losing good players and not addressing the needs of the team, was going to make us better?
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Oct. 19, 2017 at 1:13 p.m.
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Right now the team seems like a failure but to be honest I think the biggest issues currently with this team that Bergevin has built is the players of the first line of 2 years ago (Pacioretty plekanec gallagher) are playing like total garbage right now. Was never a plekanec fan but he would at least get 50 pts now he's useless. Gallagher doesn't even remember how to play hockey... lost so much speed from when he first joined the league.. he used to win battles all the time now he loses them all the time. Pacioretty is invisible as usual and is such a streaky player. It's funny how many said imagine how good pacioretty would be if he had a real center instead of desharnais... desharnais was the best thing pacioretty could ask for.. never looked better than when he was with him. Then there is galchenyuk who was drafted to be #1C... everyone said therrien was holding him back blablabla it's clear therrien handled galchenyuk extremely well when you see the way Julien has handled him. Therrien even turned him into a #1C (did not rush him there he groomed him for the role).. Subban was a Norris winner for Therrien... Therrien was the best coach montreal had (record wise) since therrien the last time.

And lastly price isn't playing like a god to save this team right now... which you do want from your $10.5 million goalie.

Bergevin has made many great moves such as acquiring vanek byron danault Petry radulov etc. It's the players he has had from the beginning that are currently letting him and this team down.. unfortunately for him it probably means he should be fired and the team should move in a new direction. Not sure I would expect better results the media and fan pressure will always run the next guy out of town.
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Oct. 19, 2017 at 2:45 p.m.
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
Right now the team seems like a failure but to be honest I think the biggest issues currently with this team that Bergevin has built is the players of the first line of 2 years ago (Pacioretty plekanec gallagher) are playing like total garbage right now. Was never a plekanec fan but he would at least get 50 pts now he's useless. Gallagher doesn't even remember how to play hockey... lost so much speed from when he first joined the league.. he used to win battles all the time now he loses them all the time. Pacioretty is invisible as usual and is such a streaky player. It's funny how many said imagine how good pacioretty would be if he had a real center instead of desharnais... desharnais was the best thing pacioretty could ask for.. never looked better than when he was with him. Then there is galchenyuk who was drafted to be #1C... everyone said therrien was holding him back blablabla it's clear therrien handled galchenyuk extremely well when you see the way Julien has handled him. Therrien even turned him into a #1C (did not rush him there he groomed him for the role).. Subban was a Norris winner for Therrien... Therrien was the best coach montreal had (record wise) since therrien the last time.

And lastly price isn't playing like a god to save this team right now... which you do want from your $10.5 million goalie.

Bergevin has made many great moves such as acquiring vanek byron danault Petry radulov etc. It's the players he has had from the beginning that are currently letting him and this team down.. unfortunately for him it probably means he should be fired and the team should move in a new direction. Not sure I would expect better results the media and fan pressure will always run the next guy out of town.


OK I'm gonna go through each argument here is bullet point format:

- People really need to cool it on Pacioretty. He is streaky, he is playing very bad right now. All yes's on both accounts. He's also the only real goal scorer this team has and only makes 4.5M a season and is defensively solid. Making an example of him now because of the fact that he isn't playing well and he has Drouin is not fair. Give him the whole year before you boot him off a cliff. For all his streaky-ness he has been the most consistent scorer this team has had since I can't even remember. If there is one guys who deserves to have a bad season and it not mean he should be crucified, its Max (Guaranteed 30 goals a season for less than 5M a year) Pacioretty.

- Plekanec is an unfortunate case. He never should of been resigned but given how poor MTL was at centre, it was a no brainer for MB. This is truly hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

- Gallagher is just fine. Its that we've built him up to be a top line player. He's not! He's a complimentary player. You play a guy like Gallagher with guys like Crosby or Mcdavid. If not he is a 2nd-3rd line player at best. The two injuries he has definitely taken its toll on him as well. His hands have turn to stone and he has very little creativity as is. Regardless Gallagher at his price and his effort is not the problem.

- The problem with Galchenyuk is that they knew how inefficient he was at center after the 15-16 season and yet did nothing. They kept hoping and hoping to make him better rather than use him like a trade chip to get what it was they needed. NO instead they've destroyed his confidence and diminished his value to the point that getting close to fair value back isn't even possible. That is why MB is an idiot. Rather then move the young 30 goal scoring player for a center they desperately needed, they held on to him. That is terrible asset management. We all know Galchenyuk is a talented player who can score and can be a good player but now try convincing other GM's of that after you shat all over him for 2 years. I don't blame, Therrien or Julien. they are just doing their jobs. THIS FALLS ON BERGEVIN FOR NOT MOVING AN ASSET WHEN HE SHOULD OF!

- The Subban debacle was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen in management. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand asset management at all. All the way from the hardball negotiations he had while he was a young player to the point of trading him for Weber. Like Galchenyuk, I'm not saying Subban was perfect. They both had their flaws and clearly didn't fit the teams direction which is fine. THEN HE SHOULD OF DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE THEIR VALUE WAS AT A LOW! See the trend here? MB continues to wait and wait while an asset depreciates and never deals from a point of power.

- I love Price but this one was crystal clear. He should of been traded previously. Like Plekanec, I'll chalk this one up to hindsight being 20/20. I think everyone expected Price to sign for less and going long term and big bucks on a goalie should only come when you are 100% the team in front of him is the one that will win you a cup. If MB thought that , then he's an idiot.




As for making good moves, MB has made but 3 good moves in his entire career here:

-Drouin for Sergachev - If Habs get that 2nd rounder back, then this is one of MB's best moves he's made.
-Danault+ for Weise+Fleischman - Great move. Nothing can be said other than this was a steal and a fleece on so many levels.
-Petry+Vanek at TDL: These were decent moves but lets not get to crazy here, Petry is a decent but not great top 4 signed to a too expensive contract and Vanek wasn't even resigned as a UFA + we didn't win the cup. We're only happy with those trades because those picks and prospects never amounted to anything (Yet - They still can. Go look at Caleb Jones for example) .

-Byron was from waivers. If your gonna give credit to someone really, give it to Therrien. He is the one who turned Byron into a 20+ goals scorer. If MB really felt Byron was a 20+ goal potential player, he could of traded 6th rounder to Calgary that year and not risked not claiming him on waivers. He got extremely lucky with this one. Still good on him but Let's not exagerate either.

-Radulov? He signed a player to a 1 year contract. Whoopidy doo!!!! There were other teams willing to sign him and Radu said it himself he wanted to play here. Seeing as Radu left us after only one year Im not going to crown MB the king of free agency just yet.


Lets now look at his bad moves!!!!

-Martinsen for Andrighetto
-Beaulieu for a 3rd round pick (When he should of moved Beaulieu before the end of the season last year)
-Subban for Weber
-Shaw for two 2nd round picks (Low picks 39+45th)
-Eller for two 2nd round picks (High picks 58th + probably 55-62 range this year)
-Kassian for Scrivens
-Parenteau for Briere
-Dubnyk for nothing

That's just the trades. now look at the bad signings:

-Price (10.5M for 8 years) too much for a goalie.
-Alzner (4.65M for 5 years) too much for a defensive dman.
-Shaw (3.9M for 6 years) too much for a 3rd line depth player.
-Galchenyuk (4.9M for 3 years) too little amount of years. now trading him means the team that gets him will have less time before he becomes UFA.
-Plekanec (6M for 2 years) too much for an old player.
-Radulov (5.75M for 1 year) Hindsight is 20/20 on this one. Imagine if he signed him for 2-3 years instead though. Won't hold this one against MB but not resigning him this year I will though.
-Petry (5.5M for 6 years) too much and too long for a player who hasn't ever earned that contract.
-Subban (9M for 8 years) Hard balled twice in negotiations. Backfired hardcore on MB.
-Eller (3.5M for 4 years) too much for a 3rd line player.
-Emelin (4.1M for 4 years) too much for a defensive dman.
-Desharnais (3.5M for 4 years) too much for a player that shouldn't of ever been leaned on as heavily as he was.
-Briere (4M for 2 years) too much for a player that was bought out. Couple this with the fact that they then traded him for Parenteau who they then bought out afterwards.
Mistake after mistake....


Good signings?

-Pacioretty (4.5M for 6 years) Took a chance on a player giving him term, it worked out very nicely
-Byron (1.1M for 3 years) Took a chance on a smallish player. Worked very well.
-Drouin (5.5M for 6 years) Signed talent long term right away. Don't wait until they've already established themselves. You take a risk on high talent players.
-Gallagher (3.75M for 6 years) Good signing for a guy who is solid part of the team.
.... that's about it.



Now look at the rest of this organization which he has built:

- Drafting - Since his arrival, Habs have drafted and have but 2 players on their roster who are non rookie roster players. Galchenyuk who the organization has ostracized and Lehkonen who is in his 2nd year.
- Prospect pool - Habs have one of the worst if not the worst prospect pool in the NHL. Juulsen, McCarron, Scherbak, DLR, Fucale, Collberg, Thrower. Minus this years draft and players who are with the club already, here are the 1st and 2nd rounders he's added since he's been GM. Aside from a couple shiny lights in Mete and Hudon, we' have nothing else......That's embarrassing.

The list goes on and on with mistake after mistake.........

- Bad coaching decisions - Therrien should of been fired a season earlier. That foxholness cost us Subban. Lefebvre has been horrendous as AHL coach.
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Have players let him down? Sure. Some players needed to be better and they weren't. It's hi job to deal with such players. Has MB single handedly made this team worse off then it was 3 years ago? OH HELL YES. The winning record is a mirage - Over played defensive system coupled with a generational goaltender has given MTL their solid record in the past 5 years. No MB. He has built a team around a foundation that we watched first hand crumbles at the first crack of adversity.

MB said straight to our faces "Its on me". Yes Marc, it was and you continue to make decisions that the rest of the league is baffled by and leaves us fans feeling like chumps.
 
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