As a Rangers fan I would be pissed off if they made this trade. No thanks on Nugent Hopkins.

You've overpaid for Galchenyuk in a big way.

Mtl says no easily

Yeah it’s not an over payment, mtl easily says no. There’s a lot of assets coming the other way, but none of them are substantial with regards to Chucky. I wouldn’t go near Strome, guy is a bust.

LOL. In the context of a Galchenyuk trade you're calling Strome out as a bust? Too funny.

Here'a my reasoning:

Strome is fairly close in value to Galchenyuk already, due to the fact that he's a center and Galchenyuk is a winger. I think we can all agree that centers are more valuable than wingers in this league. In career numbers, Galchenyuk is ahead, 0.60 pts/pg vs 0.48 for Strome. NOw lets look at their production since Doug Weight took over as Islanders interim HC January 19 last year, because he put Strome back to center where he is more comfortable. Since then (including his first games in Edmonton, where he has played both wing and center) Strome's boxcars look like this:

43gp, 9-12-21 -7

In his past 43 games, Galchenyuk's boxcars look like this:

43, 10-12-22 -12

Playing on the wing (less defensive responsibility) on a better team, Galchenyuk's numbers are essentially identical to Strome's, except noticeably worse 5x5 play. In this time Strome has endured two coaching changes and one organizational change, both things that take some time to settle into. I'm not arguing that Strome is the better player or even equivalent to Galchenyuk, what I'm saying is that their values aren't as far apart as you seem to think.

Caleb Jones is an A-list prospect who may be ready for NHL duty as soon as next September. Slepyshev has 60+ games of NHL experience and will plug right into Galchenyuk's roster spot. He does best playing with skill, although he's big enough to play a bottom-6 role as well - just don't expect him to produce much offense in this role, as he can't drive a line on his own.

Plus you added a (likely) top-10 pick in one of the deepest drafts this decade.

Wow.

LOL? come on dude, Strome has never even scored 20goals in a season. Galchenyuk has a 20 goal and a 30 goal season under his belt. Strome had one 50pts season, every other season he never even got close to 40pts. Chucky has already had a 56pts season and 2 other seasons at 44 and 46pts respectively.



I hate it when guys try to manipulate stats to try and prove their point, why just use the past 43 games for galchenyuk? just because you found a valid reason to use a 43 games sample size for Strome doesn't mean you can just apply the same for Chucky and call it a fair comparison, because you can argue that those past 43games are one of Chucky's worst stretch of games where Strome was starting, as you say, to feel more comfortable.

Cherry-picked stats or not, the add-ons to Strome - Caleb Jones, Slepyshev, and a 1st - make the deal completely slanted to Montreal.

Reading comprehension - it's a thing. Strome had two coaching changes and one organizational change and still managed the same output as Galchenyuk, all while being more responsible defensively. I was trying to show recency bias here, but also stated their career numbers too (all situations) which clearly favour Galchenyuk. Their career ES numbers are closer due to the fact that Strome hasn't had as much PP TOI, but I didn't use those numbers anyhow.

Strome's numbers are weak so far this year (as are Galchenyuk's) but they'll come back to at least his career average as he becomes more comfortable with his new surroundings, linemates and McLellan's system. What's Galchenyuk's excuse?

Exactly my point. Someone was saying that the return wasn't substantial, which simply isn't true. I am somewhat awkward at demonstrating my point and appreciate your ability to hit the nail on the head, sir.

I don't know much about Jones, but Slepyshev doesn't do much for value, 4 goals in 61games for a "inbetweener" that just hops from AHL and back. And I was assuming the 1st is lottery protected, I highly doubt any team wants to trade a 1st that has a chance of becoming a top pick.

So we'll agree to disagree, EDM would get the best player in the deal with nothing essentially coming the other way that could replace Galchenyuk's production. and using Strome as a comparison is foolish.

If you want to bring in coaching changes, Galchenyuk was a point per game player a the beginning of last season (23pts in 24 games), he got hurt and shortly after he returned he had a new coach in Julien, who basically put him on the 4th line because he couldn't live with a 23yo player doing defensive mistakes...

the point I'm trying to make now is that we can find plenty of excuses for either players struggles and how they are better than they seem, we could do it all day. It doesn't amount to anything. All we can do is take them at face value, and Strome's value is not close to Chucky's.

I can understand from a assets perspective that EDM is giving up a lot, which they can't really afford to. which is why this trade doesn't work period, for either side. My contention is that the trade is not slanted for MTL because is does nothing for them.