Jun 24, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Paul13</b></div><div>Foligno is not trash. The return here is optimistic but he is exactly the kind of player Leafs need.
Wild are a team greater than the sum of their parts Leafs are a team less than the sum of their parts
Foligno is a leader but it's his defensive awareness, grit and energy that Leafs need most.
What is the difference in record since the coaching change? I know you had a initial turnaround, but lately the results look the same as the beginning of the season.
Leafs currently have a guy named Clifford who plays a similar role as Foligno, but the national guys on the NHL radio network are in complete agreement that the Leafs need more guys like Clifford.</div></div>
The first thing you learn about Toronto is to ignore the media entirely. Clifford is also good analytically. And I don't know the exact record, but they've been one of the best teams in the league since the coaching change, even with the slumps.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>CAR uses analytics more, and better, iirc Tulsky made some basic level analytics with just publicly available data, now with all the extra data he has, I'd imagine he has done some pretty amazing stuff, and I know that pretty much what he says goes in that organization, while Dubas has picked up some analytical black holes in Barrie and signing Ceci</div></div>
Barrie was alright analytically, Kerfoot was the main return on the Kadri trade and he is an analytical darling, and Ceci was the cost of dumping zaitsev.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>Which advanced statistic measures shots against a 42 year old zamboni driver that works for your organization? Asking for a friend.</div></div>
Carolinas ability to shut down a team, which would be breakups/60, xGA, etc.
Yes I do know this wasn't a serious question, but car played a phenomenal game.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>Can you dumb that down for me??? I have no idea what you are saying.</div></div>
Your title is that we need grit and leadership. We lost to the only team in the league who relies on analytics as much if not more than Toronto does. That would suggest analytics is the way to go, not back to old school hockey.
And you argue that MIN's record isn't much worse than Toronto's while ignoring the fact the leafs were tanking the first quarter of the season under Babcock. When a sample size is as tainted as that, it isn't a legitimate form of criticism. Look at the leafs since the coaching change, they've been one of the best teams in the league even with various slumps.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>I've been saying this for months, and this Kase trade shows that A. GMBM is f*cking clueless at player evaluations, and B. He has no plan for the team, you don't trade Kase unless you're just selling everything in which case you sell your Rico's and your Silf's and your Getz's etc, but we're not doing that, and even if we were to do that, it's not nessicary, this team isn't that far away, and that loaded down with terrible contracts, nor are they stuck in the mediocrity of a Minnesota, we're bad enough on our own that we'll be able to fill one of our two main voids at the draft this summer (along with Zegras and Kase/Raks I wouldn't have been that worried about our long term forward group... Now this just places a lot more pressure on Raks to maintain his top line calibre play) then we'd be one or two pieces away from being a dark horse team, but GMBM is clueless</div></div>
I think you are making some very accurate comments about your GM. I live on westcoast and my second favourite team is the Canucks and watch them play alot. I watched Gudbranson play when he was with the Canucks and soon realized that he is just too slow to keep up in the NHL and thought Benning made a great trade to offload him to Pittsburg for Pearson before his value dropped to nothing because he was probably minus 60 in playing for the Canucks over a few years. I found it then strange that Pittsburg then gave up on him in a short period later by trading him to the Ducks and have absolutely no idea why the Ducks and your GM would have added him to the team so no I also do not have alot of confidence in your GM.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLSage</b></div><div>I am thinking as a starting point for a possible trade in say Johnsson, Dermott, prospect and later round draft pick on the assumption that Manson also redoes a long-term contract with the Leafs. Manson is absolutely the perfect right hand defenceman that the Leafs need. The Ducks need to bottom out and start accumulating younger players and draft picks. Ducks owe it to Manson to move him to a good team and not waste his talent during a rebuild.</div></div>
Yup, you’re right, Ducks are so old, most of them sat behind Jesus in second grade.
Steel, Terry, Guhle, Larsson, Mahura, Rakell, Jones, Olivier-Groulx, Gibby, Morand, Tracey, Lundestrom, Andersson and Comtois are all past their prime, and Zegras is a bust. Better give Manson to the Leafs for players that don’t fill their needs! Might as well throw in that high 1st round pick this year, because Murray has NEVER been able to draft well.