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Forum: NHL SigningsApr. 15 at 8:46 a.m.
Thread: Anaheim Ducks signed Cutter Gauthier (3 Years / $1,900,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>they have a draft because the 32 teams need organization for how talent comes into the league....not for the fans.
Even when the fan base hasn't been there, and the league was damn near a beer league, they still had a draft.
So no everything isn't done for the fans. But they sure got you in marketing to get you to think that.
Fact is they careless about the fans and more about TV deals and advertisement money than they ever will the fans. It's why they bend over backwards to appease those crowds in ways they will never for the fan base.
Let me tell you a little something I learned from growing up in Cleveland watching the browns move out of town..... F the over attachment to a team. They don't give a $#!t about the fans. You just haven't figured it out yet. Money is way more important than the fans. They aren't in this business for fans, they are in it to get paid.
So don't blame the kid for doing what he thinks is in HIS best interest. Believe me, every time an NHL team leaves a city, they don't give a crap about the fan base. Go ask AZ fans.</div></div>

1. The NHL has existed since 1917, while the NHL Draft has only existed since 1963.
2. Your point would have so much more credibility if you didn’t have 1400 posts in just 2 months
Forum: NHLApr. 12 at 10:14 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Kind of a shame that Josh Doan won't be able to follow in his father's footsteps in the desert.

Also wonder if there will be a mass exodus of trade requests due to managerial distrust / not wanting to live in Utah. It'll be an interesting offseason, I only hope they have good jersey kits 🤞</div></div>

I've heard only really good things about Utah as a place. My dad has been too 48/50 states, and has always said Utah is in his top 5. And I think the distrust is of ownership and ownership will be new. not really management. Billy came clean to the players.

TBH, for the team this is a really good thing. Armstrong will have permissions to spend to cap, players will have a ownership that is dedicated to winning, Utah is pretty nice.

Sucks for the fans, I'm not sure what i'd do. I'd probably still root for the team because of the players, but it's certaintly depressing. it sounds like they'll get a team eventually again though, so they should have to wait too long.
Forum: NHLApr. 11 at 11:47 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Would that count for pace as well (talking about the 41 in 56 season Matthews had to win the RR)?</div></div>

Yes, but only in the case where the season length was different. Something like Cam Neely's 1993-1994 where he scored 50 goals in 49 games wouldn't be adjusted because teams played 84 games that season, but for the shortened 2021 season the pace would be over 56 games (even though Matthews only played 52). That season would count for 63.5 season-adjusted goals, but unfortunately hockey-reference's single-season goal leader page doesn't show anyone with less than 47 goals in a season so it's not in the main list.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Yes, a relatively simple, nonsense calculation. And most of those 80s and 90s goal totals were done with wooden sticks, but that never gets mentioned. Or how certain crazy talented scoring teams threw off the averages. Or how clutching and grabbing and hooking and all sorts of things were allowed back then. No two line passes. Etc etc etc.

When folks start elevating 100% subjective, cherry picked and inherently faulty stats to gospel, it's just nonsense.</div></div>
I'm not going to debate you on your point that this adjustment is flawed and that the game has changed, but to say that I'm cherry-picking and being subjective are both wrong. Any era-adjustment is going to be flawed because you can't say exactly how much the game has changed. Does the improvement in goaltending equipment and skill offset the improvement in scorers' equipment and skill? Have the numerous rule changes over the years favoured one side or the other?

I use overall league goals per game because that serves as some kind of measurement as to how the offense/defense/goaltending balance has shifted over the years, though nothing can perfectly measure the difference between seasons, let alone eras.

What do you contend that I'm cherry-picking, and what am I cherry-picking in service of? I don't have a narrative to push, and I decided on the criteria and methodology before I saw any results. Similarly, I don't use any subjective measurements. League goals, league game and player goals are all countable, objective measurements, far from the 100% subjective that you claim.
Forum: NHLApr. 11 at 11:27 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Yes, a relatively simple, nonsense calculation. <strong>And most of those 80s and 90s goal totals were done with wooden sticks, but that never gets mentioned. Or how certain crazy talented scoring teams threw off the averages. Or how clutching and grabbing and hooking and all sorts of things were allowed back then. No two line passes.</strong> Etc etc etc.

When folks start elevating <strong>100% subjective</strong>, cherry picked and inherently faulty stats to gospel, it's just nonsense.</div></div>

You say this... But you have to remember; goalies just started wearing masks, getting the puck off the ice basically meant a goal...

Grant Fuhr won the Vezina while posting an .881... Jack Campbell, this season, had an .873 and was called unusable....

Everyone's faster, stronger and more athletic... Which is why defence is more effective...

It's a different game now then it was before... It's fair to try and use a model to see what a 66 goal season in 23-24 would be equal to (based on rough estimates) in '89-90

As for being 100% subjective, how's that any different from the MVP conversation... There's 4 worthy candidates but there's not a deciding factor, which allows people to be subjective...
Forum: NHLApr. 11 at 8:58 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Through the magic of his cherry picked "analytics" he says it's clear that this Matthews season is actually like the 7th best goal scoring season of all time. Some nonsense like that.</div></div>

Honestly that's not far-fetched given era adjustments, a lot of the huge raw goal numbers were achieved in the late 80s and early 90s when overall scoring was way up.

A relatively simple calculation, taking the raw goal number * 82 * 2023-24 goals per game, divided by season goals per game and number of games per team (to account for the fact that season lengths have been changed over time), puts Matthews' current season at number 15 all time if he doesn't score another goal all season, and 10th if he keeps up his goal scoring pace.

Edit: See this calculation for all 47+ goal scorers <a href="https://pastebin.com/jNaJxnSb" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"> here</a>
Forum: NHL TradesApr. 6 at 9:35 a.m.
Forum: NHLApr. 6 at 1:23 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>Bunting has more 5v5 goals than Guentzel since the trade. More 5v5 points. More hits. More takeaways.

I don’t see those trends stopping ever. Guentzel did not deserve the icetime in Pittsburg and they’re seeing what happens when it’s properly distributed.

Pittsburg upgraded when they moved Guentzel because he is ——mid——(relative to elite wingers given all the minutes). Replacing his icetime was easy. The return was exceptional because Guentzel is not. People just assumed he was exceptional because the penguins played him 21 min a game with a goat. Jaden Schwartz would look really good playing 21 minutes every game with Crosby, get every pp1, double shifted for pp2, every good offensive minute. It wouldn’t mean Jaden Schwartz is Mitch Marner, he’d still be Jaden Schwartz - a guy who needs to have the energy to explode with the puck to get past some d and if you give him 21 min a game he can’t do that because that’s not how sprinting works.

It is extremely difficult to earn 21 min a game as a winger. You have to not only have absurd offensive skills, but the intelligence to conserve energy and awareness to play 2-ways. There are maybe 2-3 wingers worth that any given season (Marner now, historical puck possession gods like Datsyuk, prime patrick Kane, etc.) Guentzel is nowhere near the list of those skaters. He’s missing half the tools. He is on an entirely different tier of player, well below those who do “deserve” the highest workload. Playing him as if he were locked potential, creativity, probably was the source of some resentment, and disrupted the proper use of energy and matchups during the game.

The penguins built a trap, put themselves in it, thrashed about when their new gm freed them from the trap, and now have been the 4th best team in the east since.</div></div>

Yea no moving Guentzel for Bunting and some prospects especially now not looking good

Guentzel's the guy u wat come playoffs and is the guy who meshed well with Crosby

Also 5 on 5

15 gp Bunting 4 goals 4 assists

13 gp Guentzel 4 goals 8 assists

Both have around 17mins of ice time

So where's the more come in?

Pitt F'd up as Guentzel be better and for Crosby should not have done that.

Like if Pitt walked away for one or two of Morrow, Nadeau and Niskinin along with Bunting then sure u could live with that but they got a bunch of lottery cards, some okay picks and Bunting.