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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 6:17 a.m.
Thread:
All in 2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SociallyHawkward</b></div><div>Retention kills any jones trade.</div></div>
I doubt that very much!
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 6:17 a.m.
Thread:
Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SociallyHawkward</b></div><div>Hawks decline</div></div>
You decline. Hawks do not because that is a 8th overall pick and you guys are in year 2 of a scorched earth rebuild, where Jones is ALREADY overpaid by more than the 1 mil retained here and does not fit your competitive window whatsoever.
Seriously, this is a no-brainer....
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 5:16 a.m.
Thread:
All in 2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>colby</b></div><div>He signed a 1x3 due to no team having much cap or willing to spend long term so he signed to the best team possible. the last 2 years hes been looking for a long term deal and this year everyone has cap to spend so someone will overpay him a lot and multiple good teams will offer him 4.5-5M without having to sweat. Same thing for Stephenson, every team is looking for a top2 line C and he doesnt have much comp in FA to drive him down, only Stamo and lindholm who will both easily get 7+</div></div>
Bertuzzi also signed a 1 year deal but got 5.5. Max has already stated he wants to stay a leaf and he simply isn't worth what you're suggesting. He had 9 goals and 47 points last year, that contract is more that reasonable. It's funny that last year nobody wanted him, but now that he's a leaf they'll never be able to afford to re-sign him.
I purposely made sure these acquisitions were more than reasonable to avoid looking biased...
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 4:41 a.m.
Thread:
Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JustAnotherHockeyFan</b></div><div>How is VGK gonna afford Mariner’s next contract under the Cap ?
Idk how they’d do it
They’ve got too many other guys to sign</div></div>
They don't have too many other guys to sign though. Marner well be getting less than a 1 mil raise at worst. Who else above would be getting massive raises? The cap is likely to raise at least 4 mil.
It's actually quite easy to see how he'd fit in now and in the long term.
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 4:38 a.m.
Thread:
All in 2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>colby</b></div><div>Feel like you over paid for Jones, and no shot Domi signs for less then 5m even on a short contract, he's already signed 1 5m+ 2 year deal few years ago and his stocks have never been higher after a good playoff with the stars and after a very good finish to the year and esp in the playoffs. Not sure if Chandler would take 5m as well, esp with other C hungry teams like Van looking to replace Lindholm, Bos, even Col. I think Domi at 3x5.5M and looking at a guy like Henrique on a 2x3M or Tyler Johnson on a 1 year nothing deal and looking to add another Goalie for security would be the move.</div></div>
I did overpay for Jones to avoid arguments from hawks fans that I'm biased.
Domi signed for 1 x 3 mil after his stars run. His production actually went down last year, so 4 x 4.25 is actually quite generous. Stephenson is 30 so a 5x5 contract would be great for his production.
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 2:41 a.m.
Thread:
Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Because you can't negotiate an extension until you start the final year of your contract, nobody is going to trade for him before then. Plus for most teams it's significantly easier to pay a player over the course of a season than it is to given them 7M before they play a single game for you</div></div>
That's a different reason altogether that has more merit, but because marner can choose where he goes an extension is a given.
Appreciate the double down, but Nashville will not be scrambling to take out a loan in order to pay his bonus....
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 2:01 a.m.
Thread:
Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Well obviously but there is about a 50% chance he does get moved but a 0% chance it happens before July 1st</div></div>
0% why? Marner is only owed 8 mil in actual salary next year, almost all of that is his bonus. So if they spend to the cap like in the scenario above they'd be spending less actual dollars after the marner trade than if they'd spent to the cap with saros instead.
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 1:50 a.m.
Thread:
Jones
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PaulKorea</b></div><div>If they aren't competing for 5 years, then they're going to be paying a 32 year old Marner $12m+ per year for 4 more years. This has been discussed a thousand times on this board yet Leafs fans can't seem to comprehend it.</div></div>
That I agree with. I think they should be open to trading him, but we'd look for a more futures heavy package. I don't think marner would agree to waive to chicago either, but a 3 way trade could make sense.
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 1:36 a.m.
Thread:
Jones
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PaulKorea</b></div><div>Chicago losing Jones would have massive negative effects. They're thin at RD with him, without him there's a massive hole in their roster.</div></div>
There's massive holes in their roster everywhere because they're in year 2 of the most severe scorched earth rebuild the league has ever seen. That also means they won't be ready to contend for at least 5 years, when Jones will be 35 and overpaid, with only one year remaining at 9.5.
Take advantage of his value while it's at its highest and replace him with stop gaps in free agency until your core is ready to contend. By that time the caps will wish they had cleared that cap space and gotten assets back in a trade that align with Bedard, korchinski, nazar, this year's 2nd, vlasic, rinzel, etc.
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 12:51 a.m.
Thread:
Overpaying to avoid bickering
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Davidson</b></div><div>Unironically, the hawks would rather keep Jones.
Not to mention Jones wouldn’t want to play in Toronto.</div></div>
You don't speak for the hawks, who've established a pattern with past trades already.
Jones would much rather be on a playoff team like the leafs than enduring a scorched earth rebuild with the hawks. Do you forget why he originally requested the trade that sent him to Chicago?
It's not like the cities are all that different either, so this should be common sense.
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Armchair-GM
May 28 at 12:47 a.m.
Thread:
Jones
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PaulKorea</b></div><div>There's no way Chicago is retaining for 6 years.</div></div>
If its 1-1.5 mil then thats less than they overpaid him by. That retention would help fetch a solid return like the above and would probably have no negative effect for a hawks team at this stage of their rebuild.
Edited because I mixed up my threads
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 11:49 p.m.
Thread:
Jones
Jones would be a great target but if like to see the hawks retain some of what they overpaid him. I don't think it would be unrealistic for that to be the case.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 11:46 p.m.
Thread:
2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>So why would Marner waive to Preds in his contract year?</div></div>
Because the media has been tearing him to shreds here for the last 5 years and he's realizing he won't be here long term. The contract year is irrelevant because any trade will come with an extension, his body of work is enough to secure a longterm deal already.
Nashville is a desirable place to play by many accounts and they have a team he could help to contend. Does any of this guarantee he'd waive? No, but it's a realistic attempt by OP to find a partner where both sides might be interested. Keep in mind the decision ROR made just a year ago as well.
Well done OP!
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Armchair-GM
May 21 at 2:15 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>WTF are you talking about? When it comes to the player not mattering, I'm talking about Marleau. He didn't spend a single day as a member of the Hurricanes, the Leafs were dumping $6.25M in dead cap space. Cap space is cap space.
You're not trading an elite player with term. You're trading a very good player with one year remaining. If you want the #8 pick this year, you don't get compensated for the term. The only way this adds value is if Toronto actually puts the pen to paper and trades the 8th year. Otherwise why would Seattle compensate Toronto for that? Marner could change his mind about extending the day after being traded. If you want to make the pick a 2025 pick and do a sign-and-trade on July 1, then I'm sure Seattle will compensate the Leafs' for that.
Retain 50% on Marner's contract and this is a fair return. At full value, Seattle easily says no.</div></div>
He didn't spend a single day as a member on the hurricanes, therefore that 6.25 is entirely dead cap. Marner is a top 3RW in the game, which means his cap hit is a positive contribution to the team. Is this really lost on you?
As I've already explained, any marner deal will include an extension, similar to tkachuk, PLD, Meier, etc. Instead of referencing similar deals you're choosing to talk out of your ass.
And of course marner is elite, that's well established. He's top 5 in scoring as a winger over that contract and was a selke finalist last year. I'll leave it at that because its not up to me to educate you on the basics.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 9:25 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>I didn't say Marner is a cap dump. Marner is a good player, but you're not getting him in a vacuum. You're having to deal with a very tight cap situation all around the NHL.
Several years ago, the New York Islanders had to practically give away Devon Toews because they couldn't afford the cap hit. Vegas had to give away Max Pacioretty for the same reason. Both guys are excellent players that aren't cap dumps, but their value was negated because the team acquiring them was giving them back cap space in return.
I think you're outing yourself as a homer when you say that Guentzel isn't close to the player Marner is. I bet if you asked Toronto fans, a lot of them would have preferred Guentzel to Marner on the team in this season's playoffs.
Also, if you're getting a 2024 1st round pick in this trade return, there can be no extension in place here either, because Marner is not eligible to sign an extension until several days after the draft.
Yes Marleau. I'm not sure why it matters what player it is. The point is that $6.25M in cap space cost a 1st round pick 5 years ago. It doesn't matter who the cap space was for. Cap space is even more expensive now since next season's salary cap is still significantly below the 50/50 split due to the lag formula. It won't be back to normal until 2026-27.</div></div>
Jesus christ... it matters who the player is because marner is not a cap dump and is worth his contract. Just questioning why the player matters here shows the level of intelligence I'm dealing with.
Go look at the examples I gave you and come back with something sensible. No, the guentzel trade is not comparable. If you want to use a dubas trade involving an elite player with term, then look to the one he made when he acquired Karlsson.
You can not officially sign a contract until July 1st, that doesn't mean an extension wouldn't be in place. Clearly marner would want to ensure that is the case.
This may surprise you, but this is an obvious underpayment from Seattle's point of view, something I did purposely to avoid ignorant arguments like this. There's always that one I suppose!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 20 at 8:52 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>Marner is a very good player. $11M is a lot of cap space.
Take a look at what it has cost teams recently to dump significant amounts of cap. It cost the Leafs a 1st round pick to dump Marleau's $6.25M contract 5 years ago, and that was back before the escrow cap restrictions.
I think the Jake Guentzel trade is a good comparable. Pittsburgh had to retain salary, take back an offsetting bad value contract (Bunting), and still didn't get a 1st or a top flight prospect.
So no, I don't think the value is more than shown here.</div></div>
If you're using those as your examples then you're doing a good job of discrediting yourself all on your own. Aside from both deals being made by the worst GM in the league, neither situation is comparable.
Marner is obviously not a cap dump, he's a top 3RW in the game. Guentzel is not close to the same player marner is and there was no extension in place. Again, a bad example because dubas I'm sure thought it was a steal when he acquired bunting again.
If you want comparables, look at top end players who were either signed long term or came with an extension. Once you get through PLD, Meier, Eichel, Horvat as the most recent examples it should become pretty clear how out of touch you really are.
Marleau though? Really?
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 8:26 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>The 8th overall pick in this year's draft, an inexpensive and overperforming goaltender, and a top four defenseman is definitely a haul.
Include enough cap dumps and retain enough salary to make the trade revenue neutral and I think Seattle might go for it. Expect Seattle to eat $6M+ in cap space and no way.</div></div>
Of course there's going to be value there, otherwise we'd keep marner. Overperforming is the key word there, given he's set to expire after next year and will no longer be inexpensive if he continues his play. Borgen is basically a #4/5, at best a compliment to a better partner on a second pair. Capfriendly has him as a 3rd pairing D and he too is a rental.
Mitch marner has been a top 5 winger since he entered the league. He is elite both ways and is just entering his prime. If Seattle wanted to make the cap even there would be a ****load of futures coming back. Again, do your research to determine what a player of marners caliber is worth in a trade, because it's much more than the return here and it's clear that's not being recognized.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 7:42 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StDetroitBlueWings</b></div><div>Personally, I think the only way Toronto gets a haul on Marner is if they retain to get him down closer to 8 mil. He's a good player, yes, but not 11mil good. Plus contending teams would be willing to part way with a haul to win now but won't have the cap flexibility to take on an 11 million dollar player.
Just my take on the situation. I got a feeling Leafs fans will be extremely underwhelmed my a Marner return if he's traded</div></div>
He is 11 mil good though, he's been a top 3 RW in the league for years now. Seattle is in a unique situation where they have the cap to bring him in and re-sign him, while also having a realistic cup window over the span of his contract.
They have a ton of solid prospects who should be contributors soon, but no one who projects to become a player like marner in the future, let alone marner right now in his prime. That type of player is exactly what they could use, and Dacord and Borgen are the last two players they'd be losing sleep over.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 7:31 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Krakken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>Toronto is either going to get a trade haul in return for Mitch Marner or they're going to get cap relief. They're not going to get both.</div></div>
I purposely went out of my way to make this realistic...
You seriously think that's a haul? Seattle is only losing a #4 D and a 1B goaltender with less than a season of solid play under his belt from their roster, both of whom are 27 and on expiring contracts. Obviously a marner extension would be in place, but the other two are wait and see situations.
Go look at the trades for other top forwards in the league like meier, PLD, lindholm, horvat, giroux, etc. None of whom were close to as valuable as marner is now, all of whom garnered WAY better returns.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 3:14 p.m.
Thread:
Marner For Saros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Pending UFA Marner isn't worth Saros alone.</div></div>
Who is also a pending UFA? It case it wasn't obvious, any marner trade will involve an extension because he has to choose to go there. Now go look at the best ever return for a goalie in the cap Era, then compare the return to that of someone like Timo meier, who is a much lesser player than marner.
Appreciate the confidence, but you have no clue what you're talking about here.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 3:58 a.m.
Thread:
Marner For Saros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>You really have absolutely no clue WHY "top-3 RW" Mitch Marner is being traded, do you?
Hilarious.</div></div>
Because he's the only one of the core 4 who's an option to trade, and our current cap structure has not lead to success. Nashville barely has a core 1 at forward, a match made in heaven!
Adieu.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 3:42 a.m.
Thread:
Marner For Saros
J<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeauxPreds1</b></div><div>You’re like screw the cap lol</div></div>
Just realized I send Gregor to 9 mil instead of 900000, lol. Good catch!
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 1:02 a.m.
Thread:
A fun 3 team trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Not much fun .</div></div>
That about sums you up. You not even having conversations anymore, it's just hateful hit and runs lol.
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Armchair-GM
May 19 at 11:47 p.m.
Thread:
Marner For Saros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I find it truly strange that people think that Nashville, a small-market team, will not only take Marner's $10.9 million cap hit off your hands but will also retain on Juuse Saros on top of that.
My prediction is that if in fact Marner gets traded (which I doubt), and if anyone retains on a player in the deal, it will be Toronto, not Nashville or Utah or any other team.</div></div>
Yeah Nashville is just so kind that they'd do us the favor of taking on a top 3RW in the game, what a bunch of saints. Nashville is retaining because they have cap to do so, which decreases the asset cost.
You're learning though!
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Armchair-GM
May 19 at 11:27 p.m.
Thread:
Marner For Saros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ship</b></div><div>obv would suck to trade marner because of his offensive mind, just if you look at the leafs as a whole, i do think their overall team is better after this trade. it's a luxury to have all that offensive talent, but maybe a luxury that can't quite be afforded anymore. just my two cents. appreciate the effort on this attempt tho.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ship</b></div><div>obv would suck to trade marner because of his offensive mind, just if you look at the leafs as a whole, i do think their overall team is better after this trade. it's a luxury to have all that offensive talent, but maybe a luxury that can't quite be afforded anymore. just my two cents. appreciate the effort on this attempt tho.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ship</b></div><div>obv would suck to trade marner because of his offensive mind, just if you look at the leafs as a whole, i do think their overall team is better after this trade. it's a luxury to have all that offensive talent, but maybe a luxury that can't quite be afforded anymore. just my two cents. appreciate the effort on this attempt tho.</div></div>
Nah I agree. Without the cap I'm not trading the guy, but given the strength of those 3 forward lines, as well as the cal and assets a marner trade brings us, it kind of makes sense... I was on the "trade willy for hanifin and lindholm" train last year too, only because I thought that was the last opportunity to shift from the core 4.
Appreciate your feedback as well!
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