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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 14, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.
Thread:
Detroit Double Dip
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shakabakes</b></div><div>What would be an example?
What Player/Prospect from the Rangers (or any other team) would be reasonable for you to be paired with a 1st Rounder for Bertuzzi?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Spaceman</b></div><div>I highly doubt Detroit would decline this. Obtaining a 1st, a 2nd and a B+ prospect like Kravstov for Bertuzzi and Suter would be a very good return.</div></div>
Have you seen the price to move cap this year thus far, I dont believe it will get cheaper. Bert is worth at the deadline a 1st + (what the plus is up for debate as his production this year will influence it) asking for retention on it adds more(it cost a Van a second to move the same amount of cap for instance). Suter's value is about a mid round pick at this point, maybe even less given his contract. So the deal isn't the low ball offer some might say, but it doesn't help the wings that much beyond the 1st rounder. You need to find the right piece that would make the wings consider it.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 5, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.
Thread:
Staying Competitive 2023-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cMac73</b></div><div>If Ullmark went to Detroit, would you trade Bertuzzi back to us? I’d say Ullmark has more value but I don’t know.</div></div>
If next year unlikely. Either you can sign Bert as a free agent, or the wings have signed him at an extenstion and are unlikely to trade him.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 5, 2022 at 11:33 a.m.
Thread:
Staying Competitive 2023-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>I don't mind the Detroit trade as a Detroit fan. I like Grezlcyk but don't like losing Rasmussen but feel he is replaceable. Jersey fans say Zacha at centre is a bad idea but that's up to you. Depending on Detroit's goalie situation, meaning of Ned resigns, Ullmark might be of interest there for the right price.</div></div>
The problem for that trade is Stevie Y, look at all of the defenseman he has drafted and signed, all are min 6ft and at least 180 pounds. It's clear that he wants the team to have a heavy defense and I am not sure the Grezlcyk will fit into that plan. Like the player thou.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
Thread:
Pens After trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LetsGoPens69</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maybe a little surprise that Pettersson is so high in this ranking. But he deserves to be there in our eyes. He was really, really good defensively this year. It's unbelievable for us that Sullivan didn't use him at PK much more. Underrated defensive defenseman for us. <a href="https://t.co/VCdPEMZZUt" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/VCdPEMZZUt</a></p>— Andy & Rono (@ARHockeyStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1541806647085043712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">June 28, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Personally I would have preferred Petterson over Chariot but that wasn't the choice Stevie Y made. But with that choice made they are committed to it, so one matter how good Petterson is he is no longer a fit in Detroit unless something changes.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
Thread:
Pens After trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LetsGoPens69</b></div><div>Pens didn’t a LHD or RHD until they did..lol.
And Detroit rebuild seems to be just about over. Their signings this offseason proved that. I wouldn’t trust Maatta with 2nd pairing minutes anymore. But ok.
And Chiarot struggled with 1st pairing minutes and a 1st pairing role in Florida.
Larkin, Raymond and Seider seem like pieces to build around. And Hronek, Copp, and Bertuzzi are nice complimentary pieces(unless Bertuzzi gets dealt). With acouple more nice secondary pieces.
And waves of those prospects are gonna be coming through in a year or two.
You feel competitive this season with Maatta at 2nd pairing LHD??</div></div>
The Wings are not going to trade their only legit RD prospect for a LD upgrade now. Not with their depth of LD prospects and need to allow flexibility to tryout some of them in the NHL to see how they do.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 1, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.
Thread:
maybe idk read description
I don't think that moves the needle for Detroit. It's just not enough upside coming back to give up Zadina's upside. Studnicka seems more like nice AHL depth than anything and the picks are mid rounders that would take year to have any impact and have a low chance of any impact.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 19, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.
Thread:
Full Rebuild cuz thats what the team seems to want
Detroit's LW is Bertuzzi and Vrána on the top two lines, he is a 3rd LW on the Wings, for the price you asking maybe, but why?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 19, 2022 at 2:55 p.m.
Thread:
Addressing RD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>C_M_O_R</b></div><div>I’ve also recently heard Petry tied to Detroit. It doesn’t make sense for Detroit without a package and retention. Also, Hronek was in the rumor mill within the past year. It’s an attempt at putting plausible moving pieces together. Guri was one of the worst possible players in Bones’s coaching system. He’s a solid player that needs help on his small game.</div></div>
I just don't understand the motive for Detroit to make this deal. You only get older on D, you can argue which player is better until you blue in the face cause is isn't a gap worth the 2nd round pick. And Gurianov doesn't move the needle at all for Detroit just adding to the glut of winger the Red Wings have. So in total this deal cost the Wings a haul, doesn't address any of their needs (top 6 C, Top 4 LD) and adds to areas of the team already deep in.
As for the general debate about Petry it seems like the wings would acquire him if the price was low enough but I can't see the Habs moving him for the cost the Wings would want to pay. He just doesn't improve the team enough to warrant any major assets traded.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 21, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
Thread:
Gritt
I believe that Nylander is the more valuable player and the Wings would have to add something to it I still dont think that Stevie Y does it. Bertuzzi is a not as good Offensively nor has the term on his contract but on the hand is better defensively and has a much better compete motor with physicality. I think Nylander's lack of effect in the compete factor will remind Yzerman of Dourin and Mantha both of whom he traded cause they didn't fit his vision of the team building.
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Armchair-GM
May 14, 2022 at 9:09 a.m.
Thread:
New ideas
I love the basic idea of this, but not the offer sheet. The wings have way too much young talent coming in the next couple of years to put that type of bullseye on themselves.
Cole is the type of player the wings should target, Holtby is a nice stopgap with upside to be a nice trade piece. Also love the idea of Sanheim but that isn't going to be enough for the Flyers to part with him, fits nicely with the wings expected plans.
As for the young players it comes down to who is coming over. We know that Johansson and Edvinsson are coming over. Reports of Viro and Wallinder also will be coming for camp as well that means you have to be careful with roster spots. Wallinder is the only one of that group not able to go to the AHL so that has to be taken into consideration.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 30, 2022 at 10:21 p.m.
Thread:
Off-season using comps
On the Zacha trade there is a big difference in the comp. One it was a trade deadline deal that increases the cost of a player generally and second FLA is a competitive team in the middle of push for a cup. Neither of these things are present in the deal here.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 30, 2022 at 8:15 p.m.
Thread:
Price LTIR knee is recurring issue
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OlegP</b></div><div>What would make sense to you? Its a trade which is give and take. You only dont like it cause its not your idea. You simply take all the negative like a 34 year old comment despite Petry being a top4 RD which always goes for a bounty. No team doesnt need a top4 RD especially an anemic defensive team. That is such a lazy narrative. Zzzzz</div></div>
Or Petry is a nice piece for a team that doesn't have a top 4 right handed offensive defenseman. He replaces Hornek on Detroit, but he cost more, is older by a decade and most importantly adds little production in comparison to. No point in the Wings giving up future value for something they already have regardless of how anyone feels about said value.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:48 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I'll disagree. It would impossible for a team find 20m in two competent players. And no players are waiting till game to sign massive contract.
Sorry, I think folks are really misreading the 10% or 15% restrictions. Teams are roster penalized by having injured players.</div></div>
I know that. But it is technically possible.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I agree with you. Let's imagine the Oilers come the summer are very close to the cap. Then Draistail and McDavid total 21m have off season injuries and will out for the whole year. This 10% rule would just allow the Oilers to spend about 8.3m in replacement for the season. No, the Oilers could spend 21m in replacement players.</div></div>
The could spend 21 million on replacements after they have submitted their start of the season roster to the NHL. They would start the year with both on the cap and they place them on LTIR after the "start" of the season and the sign/trade for their replacements.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:25 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>I am fairly sure there is a component to approval that is a medical exam. If there is no hope of recovery, does the league approve LTIR or deny it? Like after this year... would they approve LTIR for Weber again next year?</div></div>
Depends on a case by case basis, look at the Red Wings with Zetterberg and Franzen, ARI with Hossa, Tor with Clarkson, ect. all of the retired on LTIR from multiple years again there is no set procedure for it depends on each case and the medical review. Yes you do need league approval each season, and they have to go through a medical check each year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>Once again what I'm asking is: why do you assume the LTIR solution is possible. You are assuming the league will approve all LTIR requests, I am wondering what you are basing that on?</div></div>
There is no procedure for it. LTIR retirement is based on the health of the player in question. If they are too hurt to continue playing they will be placed on LTIR until the contract runs out if hurt playing hockey to allow access to medical care provided by the teams.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Thats for the off-season though.</div></div>
There is no limit in season as far as I can tell. Hence the 17 million over the cap for the Lighting last season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Sure teams are supposed to be just 10% over the cap, but I'm guessing that is for active players. The had 5.25m Lupul and 5.25 on LTIR, that was 10.5m when the cap much lower. The Leafs still had signed players that played...andwherf very close to the cap for years.. Teams certainly aren't handcuffed by the cap if they have LTIR players
You're correct about the bonuses, when a team is able to pay them is affected by the usage of LTIR.
But here on CF. so many think short term LTIR or retirement is the fix to help a teams cap.</div></div>
That started for the Leafs in 16-17 and they only used 63,299 in LTIR they simply had a very cheap team that year. Then they used 5,763,198 in 17-18, so they never came close to the 10% LTIR cap.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Spot on. Though didn’t it used to be 15%</div></div>
From CapFriendly's LTIR FAQ's :
Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Weber Retire
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>The description makes it sound like you think they’re retiring, rather than going on LTIR.
0% chance that happens. I think that would cost Price 31.25M, and Weber, 6M. They aren’t doing that. There is a chance that neither play again and spend the next four years on LTIR, but LTIR doesn’t exactly equate to “free cap space.” It can be used, so it is very useful, but it isn’t exactly the same.</div></div>
LTIRetirement will also not work for the Habs with both or even just Price. Since you can only be over the cap by 10% in the offseason (8.25 this year) you would have a team cap of about 72 million not 82.5 million if both wound up on LTIR. And that is before accounting for any bonuses from this year that will roll over.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 21, 2022 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread:
For PalHal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>junoandkeisha</b></div><div>That’s kind of what I thought. How would you adjust to make it work.</div></div>
In truth? Future impact. Thats what any kind of cap dump would require to the wings or any team really. You have to give something that fits the opening of the competitive window. For the Red Wings 1 of two pieces come to mind either an impact center prospect (which TOR lacks) or top picks. How or what is added would depend on what other deals would be available to wings for their cap space and other teams willing to take on the leafs players.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 16, 2022 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread:
my gm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>Not a big deal at all. Just said that I'm not using logic, and i'm wondering how its not a logical idea. That's all. I'm not necessarily right, and maybe that veteran presence isn't what the Wings or other younger teams go for. Just a hockey debate that's all, nobody has to agree. Purely for fun.</div></div>
Muzzin can not be moved before free agency shakes out. Ian Cole is a UFA will have a lower cap hit (more then likely), the same age, less injury concerns, and same type of physical presents on the back end. CAR is going to be hard pressed to resign him this offseason. Other names that come to mind if this is the impact you are looking for are Nutivaara, Zadorov, and Chiarot. Then there are the trade targets none are the same as Muzzin but offer some of the same things at a lot lower of a cost then this ask.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 25, 2022 at 12:43 a.m.
Thread:
Another Idea
Again it comes down to what is Fiala's ask? What kind of contract does his camp want, is he willing to sign long term before testing UFA next year? If he wants market value it isnt worth giving up cost controlled players when winger isnt a pressing need in Detroit. Also if wont commit long term then we are shooting the moon next year without having the center position nor the left side of the defense rebuilt. So it comes down to something neither team controls what does Fiala want.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 24, 2022 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread:
I Still Have Some Skin Left
This would be highly dependent on what Fiala's ask is and if he is determined to seek UFA. If he is willing to talk a long term extension at a reasonable cap hit before the trade than its fair value. But if he wants top dollar or wants to walk in a year as a UFA then no.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 11, 2022 at 3:07 a.m.
Thread:
Minor Upgrades for Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>Plus both Walker and Thomas had season ending injuries.</div></div>
I think this is less of an issue for the Red Wings, if the pieces were young players with top 6/top 4 LD upside they would think about it. But its more of the same of what they already had that's the problem.
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