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Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:55 p.m.
Thread:
Canucks clear cap space
LOL. The wings give up the best player, take on a massive cap dump and get one nice piece (at a position they dont need) and a couple of middle picks that aren't even this year. I am sure they will go for that.
At least try and make it sort of in the realm of possible. There is nothing in this trade to make the wings even think about trading Bertuzzi never mind taking on Eriksson.
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 4, 2020 at 2:08 p.m.
Thread:
Maatta traded official
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>Well ain't that underwhelming</div></div>
I think that goes to show just how hard its going to be to dump cap. His value isnt that far off from staal. Staal is better slightly on defense and Maatta offensively, both are realistically bottom pair dmen. At least you didnt have to give up value to move him.
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 4, 2020 at 12:40 a.m.
Thread:
Canucks shake up
While thats a massive value for Demko. If we take the reports from Rick Dhaliwal to be accurate at the deadline then the asking price to take Eriksson was a 1st and a young roster player (either Gaudette or Rafferty) and the price has gone up since then due to the covid-19 flat cap. If thats the case you are saying that demko is worth a 1st and 3rd and a young roster player plus. Thats a massive ask for a goalie without a lot of track record. I can not see the wings even entertaining that value for demko.
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 3, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
Thread:
So many bad Murray trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>My man, I'm seriously trying to help you so that you can learn. Right now you're just saying JR is going to screw everyone over because he's JR and everyone should help PIT. The minimum Qualifying offer PIT can offer is $3,750,000 because that was his previous contract. Murray's not going to accept that. Why would he? He can always accept that later after arbitration. There's nothing stopping him from signing a smaller deal. But again what's stopping him from filing for arbitration? He's already giving PIT the hometown discount. That was his last contract. Now it's his turn to get paid.
The 2nd part is this is the single worst goalie market in the history of the NHL. Just because someone gets X amount of money doesn't mean they're worth it and it doesn't mean they have the cap space avialable. You can't just say this is the offer sheet value so that's what they're worth. Do you think Seabs is worth a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd? No. I can understand that.
Think about the timing now. UFAs open up October 9th. Lost of teams will start to figure out their situations. Probably not 100% of them, but alot of them. So the already worst goalie market in history is going to get even worse by the time JR even knows what his options are for Murray. Do you honestly think you'll get "fair value" when there's only one team looking?</div></div>
This is a very accurate picture of this situation. Murry has zero incentive to give the Pens anything, he is arb eligible and can use that to take a short term contract to take him to UFA. He knows he is looking at a contract in the 4 to 6 million dollar range for one/two years, he isnt going to be giving the pens any kind of leverage over that. That is why I am not a fan of the Red Wings trading for him, he isnt signing longer term coming off his worse season and the flat cap, he is better off taking a short deal to UFA and taking on the open market with the hopeful rebound in revenue.
As for JJ to the wings I dont get why they would pay any sort of "market" rate for him, they can target other teams in cap hell before giving up a high pick. They have already come out and said they are not trading picks this year and are hopeful to add more. Even for a prospect like POJ they would take the the deal like JJ/POJ without the pick given up. They simply are not in the market for giving up long term assets even if they are getting other long term assets. For the Wings there is too many teams looking to shed cap that can giving them more without them giving up anything. Unless they believe that POJ is a top pairing D, then maybe they do it but I dont think anyone other then Pen fans think that, most see him a solid 2nd pairing.
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 2, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread:
pettersson and dumoulin are still young
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sid_not_the_kid_any_more_but_the_god</b></div><div>oilers take it and run they need a player to play alongside mcdavid on the left, and the redwings also accept because svench didnt improve in detroit and this trade gives him a second chance and murray is probably the best option for the wings.</div></div>
Sigh. The wings are NOT looking to upgrade goaltending SHORT TERM. If you can sign Murry to a reasonable deal before dealing him that might (might) work for Det. Murry controls his fate at this point with arb rights, can force a two year deal and then walk as a UFA. But the wings will not to taking on the risk that he asks for a short term deal, so the pens would have to sign him first.
Also just cause the value for a player is thought to be one thing doesnt make him that value to all teams. Personally no I would not do this deal as I worry that Murry would not improve the team long term. I wouldn't be upset if the wings trading a 3rd for him not I dont value him at the 2 2nds that seems to be Pens fans value.
In the press conference the other day it was made clear the longer the term on the dump the higher to cost, thats what makes figuring a Johnson deal to Det hard. Also the made clear they are looking to sign a backup goalie for next season on the UFA market. Reading between the lines the wings figure that next year with the expansion draft they will find a better deal on a long term goalie.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:37 p.m.
Thread:
Unlikely but maybe
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdubs44</b></div><div>Wings are rumoured to be in the market for centre so why not kerfoot he’d fit nicely with zadina and Rasmussen possibly</div></div>
The wings in the market for a long term answer at 2C not a center. Kerfoot is not a 2C on a contenting team. The wings main goal this off season is to gain long term upside assets and draft picks, and they keep reminding the fan base that it will be a long process. Kerfoot might make the wings better in 2021, but really isnt the goal. They want to be better in 2023 when they hope to be competitive again. Its way they are looking at teams trying to dump cap so they can gain picks and prospects, not NHLers.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
This Team is Getting Ruined
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>A two time cup winner not worth a second... lmfao good one</div></div>
The Red Wings are not trading for his past. Him winning the cup is nice but the Wings would be more interested in what he would be able to produce for them. Over the last three years he has gone from average to above average to near horrible (the Wings had Howard to watch last year but really want a repeat). Which Murry are they getting, from the wings prospective it only makes sense if can return to form which at this time is not assured. So for rebuilding team who isnt likely to be good in the short term regardless (at 2 years away) why trade a high value asset like a 2nd for a player who may not be there when they are competitive again, or just sign a goalie on the market for cheaper? So no he is not worth a 2nd to the Wings, and i wouldnt want the wings to trade for him if thats the ask, let Seattle have him for free next year.
These deals are not done in a vacuum they have to take into consideration what the other team would want. And JJ contract is way worse than Orpik's was in addition to the flat cap that has to be considered now. There is a reason they Pens only got a conditional 7th while retaining half on Bjugstad, it is not going to be easy to dump cap this year.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 25, 2020 at 5:44 a.m.
Thread:
This Team is Getting Ruined
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>you say this team is getting ruined though your user name is "leafs and sens fan". you should know the definition of a team getting ruined. Pittsburgh aint it, despite the questionable moves. and that murray trade is bad for pit, even with dumping JJ we can get a better return than helm</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chigurrhh</b></div><div>That's a completely different situation. Colorado had a ton of cap room and money wasn't as tight as it is now. Orpik only had one season left. Jack has three.
A buyout for Orpik at the time looked like this.
<img class="for_img" src="https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7Fprbv-WDyTVMUO_DNXTlGDkP4s=/0x0:2461x270/1720x0/filters:focal(0x0:2461x270):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11586801/Capture.PNG" alt="Capture.PNG">
A buyout for Jack looks like this.
<img class="for_img" src="https://i.imgur.com/jWoFBkG.png" alt="jWoFBkG.png"></div></div>
This. The red wings would taking on either 3 or 6 years of cap hits. That is far different plus with the flat cap its harder then ever to allow for longer term dead money.
Also I dont think Murry himself is worth a second maybe a third, so another piece or two would have be used to entice det to take on Johnson.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 23, 2020 at 3:57 a.m.
Thread:
Buying Out Staal Smith and Lundqvist
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>Pretty sure you can defer it to next season. Rangers have loads off the books next year.</div></div>
They can defer bonus overages over a two year period.
Ex. they are over 5 million this year or then they can either take a 5 million penatly next year or 2.5 million in each of the next two years.
But the limit is still 7.5% of the cap (6.1 million for 2021). No team may ever exceed that limit. So the rangers have to either get the bonuses to a level that does not exceed that number or be the difference under the cap (hence no LTIR this year)
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 23, 2020 at 3:20 a.m.
Thread:
Buying Out Staal Smith and Lundqvist
Still wont solve the rangers cap problem for next year. You can not be that close to the cap with the amount of Bonuses you will be carrying. 6.1 million is the bonus cushion with a 81.5 cap. With Laf you are going to have bonuses of about 11 million with this roster so you need to lose about 5 million in cap to be legal.
You are mostly likely losing some of your rfa's or trading assets to get other players off the books entirely. Thats the reality a lot of teams are facing with the flat cap.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 18, 2020 at 4:41 a.m.
Thread:
How do we fit Pietrangelo
Det does that deal and runs. There is no way that Tor does that.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Sep. 16, 2020 at 6:12 a.m.
Thread:
Phase 1
Why would the Red Wings engage in this trade?They gain nothing but wasting cap space.
Stecher has some value but not enough to offset the fact that a 7th round pick is all that the wings could hope for if they flipped him, so no gain. It would be like trading a 7th this year for a 7th next year. He isnt better then the options the wings have at hand on the right side, and the wings dont want to play guys on their off side. Hronek, Lindström and hell even Bowey (year younger same production) and better options. Not to mention Seider waiting in the wings.
Baertschi is a dump pure and simple, no value. And the wings have a lot of younger cheaper players that they need to see what they have in on the wing. Guys like Svechnikov, Smith, Bromé, Timashov, and if they bring him over Berggren. Wings are better off with Perlini and or Hirose then Baertschi.
So unless the wings are gain a true long term asset out of this deal they have no reason to help out Van of their cap problems. Yes this deal works out great for Van but does absolutely nothing for Det.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 15, 2020 at 12:47 a.m.
Thread:
What do you say detroit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>You think they hesitate at all if stutzle is still there? Because the point of this is that he is still there and the devils want him</div></div>
He is Number 2 on their board according to reports, he is there they are taking him. The only way they trade out of that spot if he is there is for a massive (I mean massive) overpay
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 15, 2020 at 12:43 a.m.
Thread:
What do you say detroit
Not a horrible trade idea. But for the wings to move down to 7 I think they will want more then 20, maybe something like 7 plus next years first (lottery protected) or 22 first with no protection.
Also I doubt they make this move before draft time, since it would change if Stützle falls.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:38 a.m.
Thread:
Goaltending
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Why do Detroit fans think everyone is a cap dump. Like as if guys like JVR/Niederreiter or Gardiner/Ghost wouldn’t be upgrades over what u have</div></div>
I think it has more to do with the situation that the Red Wings are currently in then the players involved. For the wings any deal that only addresses short term "needs" is counter productive, so if there isnt a longer term asset coming back it make little to no sense. In this case Gardiner is a productive player of sorts and certainly has value, but not to the Red Wings. For the wings to justify taking back longer term contract there has to be more coming with it, since improving the wings in short term means nothing but lower draft position. Hell if you are going to take on Gardiner for the next 3 years just take on Seabrook from Chi for better assets for 4.
Fans of other teams have to realize the wings intend to do a slow rebuild, shown by Yzerman's comments. In other words think of what the wings actually want before simply dumping players you dont want on them. And to be fair wings fans have made some ridiculous claims on here as well, but in truth bias is always present for fans of any team.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2020 at 6:01 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Webers Last Cup-Window 2021 Expansion-Ready Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ML16</b></div><div>Sound argument, helps better understanding the Red Wings’ needs. Considering that Domi would be a must salary-wise and that Primeau, Caufield, Romanov, Norlinder and MTL’s 1st round picks are off the table, what/who could tip the balance? Jayden Struble (LD) + 47th and 97th overall (2nd + 4th round picks)?</div></div>
Well nothing. If all of that is truly off the table then move on to other targets. KK/Caufield, 1st + would be my guess as to what Detroit would ask, can not see Mtl giving that up. Also they would take salary to make it work but it would not change the ask. If Detroit makes Mantha available other teams would top any Mtl offer without including any of those assets.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread:
Price and Webers Last Cup-Window 2021 Expansion-Ready Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ML16</b></div><div>To answer a few queries :
- The Byron trade’s aim is to offload his 3,4M (for the next 3 years) ; Blais’ salary (and physicality) is more manageable for bottom-6 duties. However I can see how Steen’s salary relief would be short-lived for the Blues, maybe the 4th round pick is thus not compensation enough, even though Byron is far from a simple throw-in, he’s a good veteran with impeccable work ethic and lethal speed; the Habs are too small on the wings and need to remediate this however.
- I concur with the one who said that the Jets missed Armia last season, especially since they lost Tanev (and Trouba) as well. Perreault’s cap dump provides the Jets some flexibility going ahead, while the Vesalainen/Armia+4th help each team’s weakness.
As for the trade centered around Domi and Mantha, I can see that emotions are running high! I concede that Mantha has an overall better value than Domi for now, but the difference is not worth a 1st round pick (nor Caufield) in my humble opinion. I would however be open to add one of MTL’s second round pick this year to the original deal, as well as change Lindgren for a D prospect in his early 20s (Fleury/Brook/Juulsen, ie.) since DET’s D is not looking good... Beyond that, considering MTL owns Domi’s rights for two more years, I would call upon Bob Gainey to take a stroll with Domi in Montreal’s Old Port district to remind him that there is « no I in team » and cross my fingers that it elevates his game like Kovalev back in the day!</div></div>
I can not see Det trading Mantha unless it is a massive overpay or they decide to completely rebuild. As such Domi being good but short term does nothing for the wings. Its that simple.
If they deal Mantha it will be for futures and the less risk the better. high picks/ top prospects, that will be what Detroit will be after not players like Domi or Mete. And no they will not take it just to trade them on, it places more risk of the deal in Detroit's hand and that will not be acceptable.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
Thread:
Yessir
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drw4209</b></div><div>If you want Mantha it'll cost Habs 3 high end young/future pieces. Like Suzuki + Romanov + 1st. Too rich? Oh well then we'll just keep Mantha</div></div>
Hell just let them offer sheet Mantha for the contract he gave, it would equal 4 firsts.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.
Thread:
Major Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shanesaw9</b></div><div>According to wings fans yes, so I said screw it. I want mantha so I'm gonna get him.
Drouin and Mantha have chemistry dating back to WJC. Suzuki worked great in Guelph with Ratcliffe, I think he pairs good with a 6'5" scoring winger.
Mantha would be a perfect fit for MTL, he can play either wing and he has size, and he can shoot. He is exactly what this team needs.</div></div>
My response was based on your contract you gave Mantha. If you offer sheet Mantha at that level its a 1st 2nd and 3rd picks, so basically you say Domi is worth a 2nd and 3rd. You can agure either way its close. But for the wings it would be a risk, what if domi continues to slide, if you are making a trade get the value in the trade not hope for future value. If they move Mantha its for futures not current players.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
Thread:
Major Changes
Mantha for Domi has truly been done to death on this site. Its a no from the Red Wings. IF and thats a big if the move Mantha it would be for futures not something with the same time frame as Mantha himself. Think KK and more, something that Habs fans wont like (pro tip they arent going to move him without "winning" the trade). It has nothing to do with improving the team in the short term, the goal isnt to get better its to become challengers for Lord Stanley's cup again. Being bad in the short term is in Det best interest, marginal improvements or players with shorter term control dont make sense.
Yes, the wings will take some from of cap dump this year, but they will want future assets attached to them. If they can buy low on younger players from teams with cap troubles they will do that, but they wont being giving up things of long term value. NO picks in the first 3 rounds no top prospects. It just does not make sense. And they wont be buying players vet leadership.
So Habs fan give up on Domi for Mantha, Pit fans stop with Bjugstad for a pick, and Tor fans with Kerfoot for high picks, these type of deals dont make sense for a team that is better off being bad.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 17, 2020 at 6:31 p.m.
Thread:
NYR 20-21 Version 10
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skeating622</b></div><div>Why do you think NYR can's use LTIRR? Because of the current number of buyouts, retained salaries?</div></div>
Simple NYR can not use LTIR with bonuses they are carrying. The bonus cushion for a 81.5 million cap is 6.1 million (7.5%). If you have bonuses that are over that it would mean you have to be that much under the cap in order to be legal. LTIR doesnt count unless you are over the cap and doesnt start until the start off the league year. You can not have both LTIR with bonuses that exceed the limits. Remember LTIR is not bankable nor is it cap space under the CBA, its relief. NYR is going with the Laf and other bonus babies is going to have a cap limit of about 75-76 million or someone is going to have be traded or in the minors.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 15, 2020 at 10:43 p.m.
Thread:
NYR 20-21 Version 10
The Rangers will not be able to use LTIR this year so the whole plan doesn't work.
The Red Wings will not want to move multiple picks this year in a deep draft, even for an upgrade in net when there will be other options open. (They wont be good next year unless everything breaks their way, so no rush on a long term solution)
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 11, 2020 at 10:12 a.m.
Thread:
Our target should be Larkin
WOW. I am sure that Larkin is untouchable for starters, so if somehow the Rangers are able to get the Red Wings to talk about him there would have to be an "untouchable" piece coming back.
But really rangers fans need to read the CBA sometime. With them getting Laf and having the current crop of young guns they are going to have a team cap more in the range of 76 million give or take with not LTIR space. Bonuses are allowed to be 7.5% over the cap, meaning with 81.5 million cap they can have 6.1 million in bonuses if they are spending to the cap. With Laf they will have bonuses that will be pushing 11 million meaning that have to be 5 million or so below the cap. WIth the way LTIR is set up you cant get away with burying cap there either.
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