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Dec. 19, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
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Which Team Would Prevail?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Didn’t you ask this same thing a while back? The team with the last two MVPs on the 4th line is obviously gonna win. Like, this team would maybe drop one game to team grit if they played five bo7 series. This isn’t what is meant by grit helps you win anyway.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Dude you have 4 generational talents at forward on team skill to 1 on team grit
Crosby, ovi, Malkin, and McJesus to Jumbo Joe
You have the last two MVPs on the fourth line
The healthy scratches of team skill are as good in their primes as the 2nd line c of team grit and lightyears ahead of 3 and 4
This doesn't ask if skill or grit is more important as the players just aren't comparable.
You're trying to ask if people would rather Marner or Tkachuk but you ended up asking if people would rather Patrick Kane or Callahan. It's not a fair question.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Theozler</b></div><div>Team skill but mostly because they're just far better players, plus guys on skill team have plenty of grit and decent size.</div></div>
Yes I agree. If a grit team is much less talented than their opponents, then they will lose nonetheless.
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NHL
Dec. 19, 2020 at 4:20 p.m.
Thread:
Which Team Would Prevail?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>By far team skill</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>imawesome</b></div><div>Grit is important, but the skill on the skill team ain't losing.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>team skill</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewLadd</b></div><div>Team Skill would smoke em</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lyle_Bubas</b></div><div>bruh, team skill is so good it has prime patrice bergeron and toews in the press box, it isn't even close LMAO</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hedman77</b></div><div>Team skill. Anyone who says team grit is being a contrarian</div></div>
Thanks for answering! Interestingly enough, I customized these 2 rosters on NHL 20, gave everyone their peak ratings & Team Grit won in 5 games.
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Dec. 18, 2020 at 4:50 p.m.
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Perry
According to <a href="/users/Lyle_Bubas" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Lyle_Bubas</a>, the Leafs sports science team have been able to rejuvenate the bodies of older players such as Spezza by making them quicker and stronger compared to their usual declining selfs. Maybe they’ll be able to make Thornton, Simmonds & Perry somewhat impactful again.
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NHL
Dec. 17, 2020 at 5:48 p.m.
Thread:
Which Team Would Prevail?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>Ever since the Penguins won back to back cups, I’ve noticed that the league has been emphasizing the philosophy of having grit and heaviness. This is evident as all the recent cup champions and teams that make it far in the playoffs have players who are big, physical and relentless on the forecheck. We’ve seen teams that were more or less known for their finesse start to get bigger and tougher, and as a result, they’ve started to significantly improve in the playoffs.
Tampa is an example of this as they brought in the likes of Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon and Bogosian and soon became the most dominant team in the league. Even Toronto, whose GM has been known for believing only in finesse, has brought in several heavy players (Thornton, Simmonds, Vesey and Anderson) this offseason.
Due to this, I’ve decided to ask the hypothetical question of whether a team of grit can beat a team of the most skilled players in a best of 7 series?
**Imagine every player in their prime.**
In order to make team grit, the players need to be big (minimum 6 feet 190 pounds), physical, heavy on the forecheck and dirty areas, and competent defensively.
Team Grit:
Hall - Thornton - Stone
Benn - Getzlaf - Perry
M. Tkachuk - B. Tkachuk - Wheeler
Landeskog - J.Miller - Svechnikov
Pacioretty, Wilson
Chara - Weber
Byfuglien - Doughty
Muzzin - Parayko
Weegar
Rask
Lehner
Team Skill:
Ovechkin - Crosby - Malkin
McDavid - MacKinnon - Kane
Matthews - Tavares - Eichel
Draisaitl - Stamkos - Kucherov
Bergeron, Toews
Hedman - Karlsson
Keith - Pietrangelo
Josi - Theodore
Hamilton
Price
Helleybucyk</div></div>
What'd you guys think of this? Which team would win a best of 7?
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NHL
Dec. 17, 2020 at 5:46 p.m.
Thread:
Which Team Would Prevail?
Ever since the Penguins won back to back cups, I’ve noticed that the league has been emphasizing the philosophy of having grit and heaviness. This is evident as all the recent cup champions and teams that make it far in the playoffs have players who are big, physical and relentless on the forecheck. We’ve seen teams that were more or less known for their finesse start to get bigger and tougher, and as a result, they’ve started to significantly improve in the playoffs.
Tampa is an example of this as they brought in the likes of Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon and Bogosian and soon became the most dominant team in the league. Even Toronto, whose GM has been known for believing only in finesse, has brought in several heavy players (Thornton, Simmonds, Vesey and Anderson) this offseason.
Due to this, I’ve decided to ask the hypothetical question of whether a team of grit can beat a team of the most skilled players in a best of 7 series?
**Imagine every player in their prime.**
In order to make team grit, the players need to be big (minimum 6 feet 190 pounds), physical, heavy on the forecheck and dirty areas, and competent defensively.
Team Grit:
Hall - Thornton - Stone
Benn - Getzlaf - Perry
M. Tkachuk - B. Tkachuk - Wheeler
Landeskog - J.Miller - Svechnikov
Pacioretty, Wilson
Chara - Weber
Byfuglien - Doughty
Muzzin - Parayko
Weegar
Rask
Lehner
Team Skill:
Ovechkin - Crosby - Malkin
McDavid - MacKinnon - Kane
Matthews - Tavares - Eichel
Draisaitl - Stamkos - Kucherov
Bergeron, Toews
Hedman - Karlsson
Keith - Pietrangelo
Josi - Theodore
Hamilton
Price
Helleybucyk
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Dec. 17, 2020 at 5:07 p.m.
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Pens prospect pyramid hint its awful
That's the cost of being the best team of the salary cap era.
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Dec. 17, 2020 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread:
Ranking All First Overall Picks Careers From This Decade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles555</b></div><div>The talent was there with Yakupov too.. not saying Lafreniere will be a bust at all just think he should be separated from the rest on list (let alone ranked above Hall)</div></div>
Yes I agree Hall has become so disrespected over the past year. The guy does everything and has great underlying numbers while playing mostly on bad teams. He's a superstar IMO.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 17, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
Solidifying The Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>$3.5M is rather steep for Haula considering he's missed almost 90 games in the last 2 seasons. He's also only really had one good offensive season and that was with Vegas in year one when everyone lit it up. I'd take him at around $2.25, but only if he's 100% healthy and ready to go right from opening night.</div></div>
Yeah that's true, Haula hasn't been able to stay healthy or consistent these past seasons. I just don't see a lot of other options at this point.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 17, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
Solidifying The Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>penslover8771</b></div><div>I agree with watching Sheary fall around, IMO that ship has sailed and its time to bring someone else in. As much as the goalies will scary us, I think they can certainly surprise well enough. The key will be how much the defense can limit the pressure they face so that they don't have to stand on their head the entire time.</div></div>
I think the defence is fine, they just need a solid 3C and they'll be contenders.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 6:07 p.m.
Thread:
Ranking All First Overall Picks Careers From This Decade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OttBeavers</b></div><div>Ranking Lafreniere higher than Hall seems wrong to me. Actually ranking him higher than anyone other than Yakupov at this time seems flawed. He has not even played 1 game in the NHL yet.</div></div>
I mean, Lafreniere did score at a higher rate than MacKinnon on a worse team in the QMJHL so the talent is there but he could easily be a bust. The Rangers will be starting him on the fourth line w/Howden, Lemieux & the Bittetto-JJ pairing next season. It’ll kill his confidence cuz he’s gonna get caved in.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
Thread:
Ranking All First Overall Picks Careers From This Decade
You are underrating Hall. From 2015-2019 he was arguably the best LW in the NHL from a statistical standpoint. Ranked in the 99th percentile in the league in shot attempts & chances per 60. Defensive game ranked in the 70th percentile. All while playing on a line with Zajac. He should be 4th.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 4:39 p.m.
Thread:
Solidifying The Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sidstick87</b></div><div>Id love Haula at $2.5 to $2.8m per But Im a SCREAMING NOOOOOOO to Sheary.... Just can't take watching him fall down 93.4 times per game, lol.
But u are Right that this team is a 3C and another top 9 Forward away,
PLUS I don't know why other Pens fans are NOT trading for a "Real" NHL Back-Up Goalie ...
A 1st yr 24yr old Starting Goalie w/ a 29yr old career ECHL / AHL Goalie as the Back-Up Goalie, just screams a Non-Playoff team to me.</div></div>
I mean, they could definitely use a better backup.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.
Thread:
Solidifying The Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Theozler</b></div><div>Rodrigues aside, I’d be thrilled with haula and sheary, I just keep thinking haula would be there already if it was going to happen</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>aside from ERod I would love this</div></div>
Thanks for the feedback.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.
Thread:
Solidifying The Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>Lol Rodrigues to the leafs :tearsofjoy . You realize he was traded there AND SIGNED BACK WITH THE PENS right?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryancnbb</b></div><div>we would've just signed him if we wanted him. y would we throw away a pick lol</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>Nice* yeah Sheary's only wrongly underrated due to size and this balances their roster much more, at 950k especially he's a nice addition to the bottom 6
*aside from Rodrigues, covered in other replies here
Rodrigues can be sent down though so no sweat</div></div>
TBH I was surprised Rodrigues didn’t want to sign with the Leafs. I feel he has the skillset to be a depth forward at NHL level, just didn’t know where to send him. I rate him as a smaller version of Tanev.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 3:40 p.m.
Thread:
Solidifying The Roster
What'd you guys think of my armchair team?
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 16, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
Thread:
Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barilko14</b></div><div>He never QB'd the PP. He was on the PP because he had a big shot, and until recently most teams ran 3 fwd 2 def on both PPs. 90% of the time he was on the PP2. Saying he QB'd the PP implies he played the Rielly, Barrie role at the top of the 1-3-1. That never happened.
I'll take your word for it about him having solid offensive impacts years ago, but again he's never been described as an off first finesse dman.</div></div>
Fair enough. I’ve always viewed Bogo as one of those big body physical D with good puck skills and foot speed. The only thing he lacks is hockey sense and agility.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:36 p.m.
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Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Exactly. TML fans rip him so much because he was thrown into a top pairing role playing 20+ mins a night when that’s just way above his ability. In a bottom pairing role he can be fine</div></div>
Yep I agree.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:21 p.m.
Thread:
Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>I don't think Bogosian is playing anything higher than third pairing minutes. They also signed Brodie for 5 million, him and Dermott are occupying the top two pairings.</div></div>
Dermott is a pretty talented player & his impacts in a bottom 6 role were pretty good. Hopefully he can make the next step.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:19 p.m.
Thread:
Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barilko14</b></div><div>Bogo is not an offensive dman. Not sure where you are getting that from.</div></div>
During his Winnipeg & Buffalo days, he ranked in like the 80th percentile in offensive impacts whereas defensive impacts was 5%. He used to quarter back the power play too. He was similar to Jack Johnson.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
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Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hidalgo</b></div><div>Nah, regardless of what Brian Burke said, having guys like simmonds and bogo erases the need for Clifford. Cliffords reliable, but doesn’t really add anything. I’d rather have more high risk guys with some upside.
Bogos some much needed experience and grit on the blueline, on a manageable and buriable deal. I’d rather that then clifford and ceci</div></div>
Yeah I will admit Bogosian was a pretty good offensive defenceman in his prime. I’m not sure if Simmonds has anything left in him to play on a regular basis, but he will see a smaller role.
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Dec. 15, 2020 at 7:46 p.m.
Thread:
Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ForsbergForVezina</b></div><div>Thought it was a weird move too. They took so many steps forward this offseason and this felt like a (small) step back. No risk involved really, unless Keefe is married to playing him every night (which I doubt) but a strange signing nonetheless</div></div>
Yes I agree.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 7:45 p.m.
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Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>even so if Keefe decides Muzzin-Brodie will be the top pair Rielly-Brodie can be the 2nd pair as like Rielly-Hainsey, Rielly can take on all the offensive responsibilities and Bogo never passes blue line and takes on all the defensive responsibilities. Could see the return of 20 goal rielly again lul.</div></div>
I wouldn’t want Bogo & Rielly on the same pairing. Bogo is an offensive defenceman, he is not good away from the puck. I’d feel more comfortable if Rielly played with Dermott or Holl.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 7:43 p.m.
Thread:
Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lyle_Bubas</b></div><div>mfw ceci
bogosian might be just as bad as ceci, but he at least has some veteran presence, he hits/fights sometimes, and is aggressive and tough. Ceci idk if I'd describe as any of those things</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>See how well that worked out for Ceci?
Hainsey was a much better player than both Ceci and Bogo. Hainsey was great for us in the playoffs. Extremely reliable and played basically the most minutes on a Stanley Cup winning roster</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>faulkmydzingel</b></div><div>No mistake at all in signing Bogosion. He will be a solid 6th d man. He has a Stanley cup. In the games he played for Tampa he logged some solid minutes. He brings a physical presence. And we didn’t have to give up Connor brown to get him. He is not Cody Ceci one bit.</div></div>
Ceci is not a good player by any means but I don’t think he was as bad as everyone makes him either. xGA/60 & ca/60 ranked in the 85th percentile. For a guy playing way over his head, that’s decent.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.
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Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Florida_Man_Maroon</b></div><div>As a Tampa fan who watched Bogosian throughout these playoffs, he is a great depth defender and it was clear his senses have improved. Instead of sending muffins up the middle of the ice, he would make the smart play and find the winger along the boards or chip it out of the zone safely. He does still occasionally make mistakes but he has really gotten better at reading the play.</div></div>
Thanks for the insight. If he plays as good as that for the Leafs, then he’ll solidify the 3rd pair.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2020 at 7:35 p.m.
Thread:
Should Not Have Signed Bogosian
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>Bogo can be buried for zero cap hit i believe - i think dubas only signed him for playoff depth so i think they'll keep him even if he plays a majority of the year in the A</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Not a mistake. If plays like he did he with Tampa...it's a bargain. If plays like he did with the Sabres, then it kinda of a waste. If the rules of sending a player "to the minors" remain the same as before he can be send to Marlies and he doesn't affect the cap.
I'm hoping Brodie plays up to 5m X 4 year contract Thought in Covid times there were better value available.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>Oh wow good call indeed it can be done. Didn't know that deals above 1M could be 2 way (just very rare)... especially with an ntc included. Good ol' Dubas.</div></div>
Yeah that’s true. I always waive him for my armchair teams anyway lol!
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