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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 8:53 p.m.
Thread: Would be happy with this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>chefed</b></div><div>I do not see Muzzin being traded unless an asset is coming back .Look at what is left 2 almost rookies Holl a 39 year old .Add to the fact the Leafs have already paid half of his salary. .I do see him moved to clear cap for a larger deal then I could see giving up an asset. McD 33 yrs old 6.75 x4 was traded by Tampa for an asset. That was a cap dump .Reese for 1 m is wishful thinking 1.5 more likely Sandin will want Boqvist numbers 2.6 m if he is going to sign for 3 years .We have several players on the bubble who can play in Kerfoot's spot Robertson Holmberg come to mind Defense/Goal is still the teams weak spot .</div></div>

Difference is that Tampa got a deal with a team that wanted McDonagh. Nashville clearly think they were that defenseman piece away from seriously contending. Extending Forsberg for 8 years clearly proves that.

In this scenario, the Leafs haven't yet found another contender that is willing to move assets for Muzzin. The Leafs have to move someone as they only can field a 20 man roster with Sandin unsigned. Leafs have no leverage now either which takes away their bargaining power. Although Muzzin isn't a negative value asset, they will have to do something to make this deal worthwhile for the Ducks. They could easily add his cap hit from players in FA without giving up assets. This is why the trade is setup like it is.

Obviously other combinations of player trades could take place. Kerfoot + Holl is a very viable package deal the Leafs could make to a team or just trade them separately.

As for ZAR, have seen a bunch of FA's take well below what I expected them to take. $1M or $1.5M, doesn't really matter. If you noticed, I left some cap maneuverability.

I took the Boqvist contract into consideration here. He has had a more productive NHL career so far in comparison to Sandin. That is why I gave Sandin $2.3M rather than $2.6M like Boqvist.

Holmberg could use some seasoning in the AHL while Robertson would have to earn a spot in camp. Very unfortunate situation for him, but the Leafs cant afford to gamble on him being a productive member in the top 6 and trade a versatile Swiss army knife like Kerfoot away without knowing for certain that Robertson is ready.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.
Thread: Muzzin Waives for Sunny Southern California
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Lol no more arguments, you win so this can be over. Muzzin for picks makes total sense</div></div>

It is not about ''winning'' lol. Just thinking a little bit critically.

You are not wrong in Muzzin having value, he does. He is not a scrub. He is also a good vet that would be good for the younger players, no doubt. But Anaheim can find other players that can be ''good vets'' that aren't on 2 year deals. It is just how the market works.

For a team that is a contender and wants Muzzin's services, Toronto can ask for assets back. In this case it would with 99% certainty be the Leafs calling Anaheim to make a deal, not the other way around. The Ducks have all the leverage.

Is it completely unrealistic that the Leafs get a roster player back from Anaheim? Of course not. I just don't think there are too many players on Anaheims roster that the Leafs would be interested in &amp; the Ducks willing to part with.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.
Thread: Muzzin Waives for Sunny Southern California
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Does a team make this deal if they want to finish at the bottom?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ryan Strome signs a five-year contract in Anaheim.</p>— Chris Johnston (<a href="/users/reporterchris" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@reporterchris</a>) <a href="https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1547387623546781696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">July 14, 2022</a></blockquote>



This was a team that was in the playoff race till late in the season last year. Adding a vet like Muzzin to provide some leadership and toughness to young group could be really good</div></div>

Obviously.

Firstly, Strome doesn't move the needle that much, he essentially replaces Getzlaf.

Secondly, without doing that move they would be $16M under the cap floor. They needed to add some dollars from free agency.

Your next argument is probably going to be, adding Muzzin's $5.625M will help them get closer to the floor. That is true. But there are probably 25 other teams in the league that likely wants to move a contract which means that Anaheim still has all the leverage in a potential deal that see's them taking on a significant cap-hit. Why should they chose to ''help'' the Leafs when they can play all the teams against each other in order to receive the best possible package?
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
Thread: Muzzin Waives for Sunny Southern California
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>I am very happy to agree to disagree and just go back to my original post. IMO (which could be dead wrong) IF Muzzin were to agree to a trade and was willing to go to ANA, it is my believe Kyle would not simply Judy trade him for a puck swap. He has value and would want something coming back in the form of a roster player with upside. And if</div></div>

You can't count anything out.

But, what would be the incentive for Anaheim to take on Muzzin? They are most likely a team that will want to finish as close to the bottom as possible in order to have a chance at a top pick. Does adding Muzzin help them achieve this goal? Personally don't think so. Logically you'd think they'd want a sweetener to take Muzzin on-board.

On a side note, I also think Anaheim could be a player as a third party in a three-way trade. If the Leafs find a hockey trade with a contender, Anaheim can use their cap-space to help both teams get what they want.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
Thread: Muzzin Waives for Sunny Southern California
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>“Hope that makes sense”

Mrazek was a cap dump.

Muzzin absolutely still has value. Yes, his injury his is absolutely a concern but came back healthy for the playoffs and played extremely well with Brodie.

Muzzin would not be a cap dump, he still has value.

I absolutely believe they would not be interested in just having cap space should they move him. This trade does not make sense in comparison to the Mrazek deal.

Muzzin has value 🤷‍♂️</div></div>

Exactly, hope that made sense, lol.

Muzzin wouldn't be a cap dump then? We can currently only fit a 20 man roster under the cap. So we need to move someone in order to have a bigger roster and sign Sandin. Hence why moving Muzzin would be a cap-dump.

Does Muzzin have value? Absolutely, but Anaheim doesn't need to make the trade, we do. In this deal we have no leverage, Anaheim does. It is common sense really.

We could look at other options like moving Kerfoot + Holl or something even bigger.

What is crystal clear is that moving Muzzin is a cap-dump because we need the space to resign players and have a full roster. It is not a hockey trade that makes us a better team.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2022 at 5:23 p.m.
Thread: Muzzin Waives for Sunny Southern California
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>IMO if Muzzin does waive, ANA makes a ton on sense with the lack of vet LD right now.

Not going to comment on the return, I don’t believe it will be this tho</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NR1</b></div><div>I think muzzin could wavie but, I wouldn't send in a 1st to get rid of him. I'd do a 3rd and a 5th and possibly a 7th. then just get the second or 3rd in return</div></div>

View it as Anaheim moving up a few spots in the draft to take on Muzzin's contract and us just sliding down a couple of spots. It says in the description ''Trade a la the Mrazek transaction.'' If we are a playoff team that hopefully moves past the 1st round, our pick is somewhere in the 24-32 range. Anaheim are most likely going to pick in the top 5, so we would move down from let's say 25 to 37 in the draft to dump his contract.

Hope that makes sense to you guys.

The return makes sense in terms of compensation too. Yes Muzzin's cap hit is higher than Mrazek, but he is actually owed less in real dollars ($6M vs $8.6M).
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 15, 2022 at 12:22 p.m.
Thread: R-E-L-A-X - Read Desc
Couldn't agree more with you. People need to calm down. Was thinking about making a post like this myself.

Everybody is freaking out about goaltending, last season our save % as a team was .900 flat. We added Murray .906 &amp; Samsonov .896. We are pretty much in the exact same spot there.

We still have to figure out what we are going to do on D. We can afford to move one player and get some assets back or trade for a different defenseman or forward. We have flexibility there.

NAK is a very good add to the bottom 6. Think he plays on a line with 47 &amp; 64. Gaudette &amp; Malgin are depth adds. They likely compete for one spot on the 4th line. Joey Anderson is right there too. Simmonds maybe takes a step back and becomes 13th forward. We still have room for a couple of extra adds from FA to increase the competition. Abruzzese &amp; Steeves could surprise and take a spot, wouldn't count them out, but not factor them in as guaranteed 4th liners.

Leaves us with Robertson. Do you give him a look with 91 &amp; 88? Don't think he is suited to the shutdown role 47 &amp; 64 play, so it would have to be 4th line minutes otherwise. Maybe trade bait with Kerfoot + Holl for upgrade at 2LW. Would look at guys like J.T. Miller, Yanni Gourde, Mangiapane &amp; Necas. A few of them might be too expensive, but that is my thought process.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 14, 2022 at 4:07 p.m.
Thread: Yanni Gourde
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>It seems to me that Seattle is giving up a perfectly good (although overpriced) third-line center who has three years on his contract for an equivalent third-line center with one year on his contract plus a third-pairing defenseman with one year on his contract who would play behind Adam Larsson and Justin Schultz. Moreover, Toronto gets no cap relief and loses a roster slot. Seems like a lose-lose to me.</div></div>

Personally think you'd have to add a sweater to the deal for Seattle to accept. Don't think Kerfoot + Holl is enough.

Why are Toronto in need for cap relief in this move? I am trading for Gourde, not dumping Kerfoot &amp; Holl. I believe Gourde to be a better player than Kerfoot with more offensive upside &amp; just better game in general. Also has the experience winning with Tampa that never hurts. Think he 100% is worth his contract and could provide the Leafs with some immense value. He can either play 2LW or 2C depending on what the coach wants. He is an all situation type guy as well which is useful. Moving Holl also opens a spot for Sandin to play regularly.

Seattle now have 2 young C studs that will play in the top 9 plus Wennberg. Geekie can be the 4C. Kerfoot is a versatile middle 6 option that only is owed $750k in real dollars this season. If Seattle aren't a playoff team, you can deal that at the TDL for some nice picks. Same goes for Holl. A 3rd pairing defenseman that has experience playing 20 minutes a night can be dealt at the TDL for picks too. I believe the return for Kerfoot &amp; Holl at the TDL plus the sweetener from the original deal would be a greater haul for Seattle than what they could get for Gourde alone from someone else.

Obviously welcome to disagree.