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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 5:10 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>I hope you find some inner peace my friend!</div></div>
That seriously means a lot to me. Thank you
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 5:05 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Just a genuine question my brother, I came in late to the thread, so I'm curious;
Does being <em>this</em> stubborn get you some sort of gratification? It's strange that when faced with so many opposing, yet same opinions, you'll keep your back pressed to the wall fighting your point.
Instead of being an adult about it and saying "maybe I'm wrong", you fight everyone with a different thought.
I dunno... it's a food for thought I guess.</div></div>
You're right. The completely illogical chart created by some random guy I've never heard of proves it.
You can't possibly believe that the 16, 20 and 48 is worth the 4th overall, or that the 10th, 17th, 40th and 41st is worth the 2nd overall.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:58 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Ah, the classic "I'm right, and everyone else is wrong"
I see now.
It is no doubt that you are a known Detroit fan that people don't like interacting with!</div></div>
Sweet! So we'll trade you your first round this year for our next 5 3rd round picks. Fair value!!!
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:51 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>You were actually provided a pretty good recourse, it seems as if you decided to ignore it?
<img class="for_img" src="https://soundofhockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Image-5-26-22-at-9.43-PM-980x701.jpg" alt="Image-5-26-22-at-9.43-PM-980x701.jpg">
Here is a hypothetical value chart based off each pick in this draft.
It's safe to assume that picks 10-20 aren't super far off in terms of value.
The article also states "The gap is most significant at the first overall pick and steadily decreases until the values converge at approximately the 35th pick. In other words, the data suggests that a team is likely to produce surplus player value if it trades down out of the first round–even if it makes just an “average” trade as indicated by the market."
It is counterintuitive for a team with the 16th overall pick to move multiple assets to move a few spots down closer to the 10 range.
You may edit this ACGM all you want, but you may also want to consider acknowledging when you may be wrong!</div></div>
The chart indicates that the Wings should easily be able to trade 2 firsts and 2 2nds for Fantilli. Sign me up!
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:47 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Oh boy -- this is a long winded argument huh?
I'm actually going to have to agree with everyone else in the thread, though. These trades are in the extreme favour of Detroit.
User AC14 provides a pretty good article that values each pick - since you were so worried about what the 10th overall pick would be worth.
It'd be wise to consider other opinions, rather than sticking to what you think is right!</div></div>
That article is such trash lol. First of all it was written for the 22 draft, second it values detroits 2 firsts and 2 of their seconds higher than the #2 overall. What a joke.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:42 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Oh boy -- this is a long winded argument huh?
I'm actually going to have to agree with everyone else in the thread, though. These trades are in the extreme favour of Detroit.
User AC14 provides a pretty good article that values each pick - since you were so worried about what the 10th overall pick would be worth.
It'd be wise to consider other opinions, rather than sticking to what you think is right!</div></div>
Yet another poster who either refuses or doesn't actually know what the #16, #20 and #48 are worth. So I guess I'll have to take a stab at it.
#10 < #16 #20 #48
So... what then? #7 #8 #9 are almost identical value to #10. #5 or #6?
OK. So that must mean that #10 #17 and #40 must be worth even more, right? How much more? Certainly not #1 or #2. So #3? Are we all in agreement? Because I would do that trade all day long. Are we all in agreement? Because I can edit this ACGM as soon as we all agree. Let me know, thanks
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 3:03 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>You may want to read this website to realize why everyone is scoffing at what you’re proposing.
https://soundofhockey.com/2022/06/06/examining-the-value-of-nhl-draft-picks/amp/
Please factor in as well that this draft is wide open from around 14-45</div></div>
Oh good, another Blues fan.. Please educate me. What do you think the #16, #20, and #48 pick are worth?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:46 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>ill consider this a win</div></div>
And your prize is the 10th overall pick! Congrats!!!
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:44 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.
like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.
i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.
what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?
your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.
-- ill repost this as many times as you need to read it.</div></div>
you made a stupid comment, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:40 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>yeah... now you're just speaking out of the realm of reality.
nice moving of the goalposts.</div></div>
You won't say what you think you're picks are worth because you know that you are homer pricing them. Either that or you just don't know what you're talking about. You should log off
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:32 a.m.
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So you wouldn't trade 2 mid round firsts and a second for Connor McDavid. That's how a normally functioning brain works. Got it.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:26 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.
like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.
i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.
what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?
your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.</div></div>
What would you move the 3 picks for?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:19 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>you got a hidden talent man..
keep it hidden 🔥🔥🔥</div></div>
Sick burn
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:19 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>Congrats..? you found an ACGM i made back in October?
you made a bad acgm, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...</div></div>
Both of you have failed to prove that it is bad. You're just irrationally upset at the thought of giving up your firsts unless it's a total fleece job. I bet if i asked you what you thought your #16, #20 and #48 were worth you'd say a top 3 pick.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:14 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>you... really were dropped on your head.. weren't you?</div></div>
Says the guy who traded the #1oa for Chychrun...
Edit: my bad. #1oa ++ for Chych
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:14 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>If the 10OA is so groundbreaking and game changing, why are you moving the pick to begin with? You make no sense.</div></div>
If my acgm is so delusional, why did you bother to respond to it in the first place?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:12 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>the difference between the 10 and 16 pick is Oliver Moore and David Reinbacher.
notice how there isn't much of a quality difference there?
we'll keep our picks, and in the meantime, brush up on the draft a bit</div></div>
If the #10 is worth a top 4 d, why didn't Detroit get Vancouvers first instead of New Yorks? Sounds like you're delusional
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:08 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>"If you don't want to pony up the assets"
To what, move up a couple spots?
Delusional doesn't even begin to describe this guy lmao.</div></div>
The reality is that you guys don't want to give up your 1sts unless you're the one doing the fleecing. Detroit is giving up the premium asset here, and it comes with a steep price.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:06 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>If you want somebody to acquire the 10OA pick, you're looking for something of equal value in return. Like a genuine top 6 player or top 4 D, or a prospect of equal value.
Nashville giving you two extra picks in this class just to move up 6 spots isn't bias, nor fair, it's a fleece for Detroit. And of course, as a Detroit fan, you'd propose the trade.
You calling everyone else bias is merely a projection.
I agree with EKL, you should log off.</div></div>
Hronek is a genuine top 4 RHD and he just went for #17 and #40. A top 10 pick in a once in a decade draft would be worth significantly more. Try again.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 1:57 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>i'm not answering your question because the value of the pick was never the debate.
when there are multiple people in this thread all parroting the same point you might need to reconsider the acgm</div></div>
You won't answer because you know my proposal is fair value. If you don't want to pony up the assets youre entitled to your opinion, but don't come in here and s*** on my acgm just because you don't like it.
When an unbiased fan weighs in and tells me I'm crazy, then I'll reconsider
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 1:51 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>it's not about what the 10OA is worth.. you've somehow missed the point entirely.
it's about need for the picks. both nashville and st. louis aren't moving as many assets (in an already stacked class) as youve proposed just to move up a few spots? there's no need for either team to overpay for this.
even then, if detroit desperately wanted reinbacher, why would they move the 10OA just to not get him? you've essentially contradicted your entire point. you had nashville move up to 10OA... just to not take reinbacher? do you not think if nashville or st. louis had that pick they wouldnt take him? i don't get your point here.
TLDR; these trades suck. try again</div></div>
You didn't answer the question. You tell me what a fair value trade for #10 looks like.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2023 at 1:42 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>there is elite talent scattered across the first round. why does it make sense to you for nashville to move their 20OA and 48OA picks just to move up 6 spots?
same concept with the st. louis trade.
i'm not even trying to be a clown here but these are terrible proposals. might wanna re-think your strategy.</div></div>
Fine. You tell me what you think the #10 pick is worth and then I'll show you a horrible trade
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 1:37 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>no, bad for nashville and st. louis. can't tell if you're genuinely trolling these replies but these trades are god awful. big homer takes here.</div></div>
It's not cheap trading into the top 10, especially in a draft like this. Multiple elite talents at the top here.
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 1:31 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>good god these trades are bad</div></div>
Bad for Detroit? Maybe a bit, but I would be OK with them
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 1:21 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>Then we'll take somebody else? :tearsofjoy
Log off man</div></div>
You'll never get the player you want with that attitude
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