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Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:50 am
Thread: I think this is a solid lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>1- It's very true that he had a huge debut night. Since then, he has 11 points in 48 games. And it's hardly a hot take to note that his skating is poor. It's not a secret.

2- It's very true that Gourde ended up playing some 3C, but most of his time there has been on the wing. And there's a big difference between doing the job of a 3C and doing the job of a 1C. Gourde's a good player, but this is not a good situation for him. As for Wennberg, his successful phase was like 4-5 years ago by now. Compared to the other 2Cs in the league it's another big matchup problem.

3- Relative to the other C cores around the league, it's undeniably weak. You've practically admitted such without actually admitting such. How many teams can you have an inferior C stable to the Seattle group above? Even the Sabres have them beat at C (for the moment, anyway).</div></div>

smh, it's time for these players to step up in bigger roles that they weren't asked before. Gourde was playing very well in Tampa and knows his way around the ice. If Point and Stamkos weren't 1 and 2 you put Gourde at 2. Blues for awhile was making playoffs with David Backes who let's be realistic is a 2C, I think you feel the team isn't going to succeed in these areas but look at who they have to face. Vancouver has terrible defense, Edmonton might have semi decent defense, and Calgary is going through a defensive core revamp. Only team that has it for the taking is Vegas. All of the California teams aren't going very good.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:46 am
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:44 am
Thread: I think this is a solid lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Heh. It's a Cpt. Obvious take is more like it.

You call Gourde and Wennberg middle 6 centers, which is quite the exaggeration. Even if it was true, they are being asked to be 1C and 2C. This is way over their heads, as Gourde is really a winger and Wennberg hasn't been a real impact player for like four seasons now. As for Geekie, he has plenty of nice tools, which would be amazing if he wasn;t such a poor skater. This has obviously held him back, and presumably will continue to do so. Early evidence indicates he's an AHL-er.

Long story short, comparing these guys to KK, Danault and Suzuki is silly. The C spot is a huge problem for this team. How that can be argued with a straight face is beyond me.</div></div>

Yanni Gourde played a ton of Center minutes before Point was even in the talks about being one. They had Point on the wing. Yanni Gourde is a Top 6 Forward maybe not the most ideal first line guy, but we all said the same thing about Vegas and they went on to make a stanley cup final in their first year with a not so great Center depth as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:42 am
Thread: I think this is a solid lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>This is a lazy take. Their center lineup is... it's not great at the top end but it's there throughout the lineup. I might be able to speak more highly of Geekie than others because being a Canes fan, I have seen more of him. He's really solid as a 4th liner, and can play both special team units. Was improving in the dot under Rod too.

Berniers will be in experienced, but Wennberg and Gourde are both good middle 6 C's, and can certainly play the kind of role for this team Danault, Kotkaniemi and Suzuki did for Montreal did this summer.</div></div>

I agree, it's not the best Center depth, but it's not the worst either. Beniers will grow into that 1C role, I just don't think it's gonna be right away.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:40 am
Thread: I think this is a solid lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>It's really not, and I think Francis has done a very bad job so far even with a handful of good snares. The center stable is just sad (this team will be scraping the bottom in faceoff %, but hey at least he has 32 LDs!), the O zone creativity is almost non-existent, the sniping ability is equally spare and the D has a couple of major sink hole warning spots. This is not a $72M roster.</div></div>

41 goals last year between the 1st line, 2nd liners is about where the 2nd liners need to be. The 3rd with Matty Beniers could potentially be very impactful between Tanev and Jarnkrok. The Bottom line should be fine. I think the lineup is better than you give it credit for. They have solid defense.
Forum: NHL SigningsFri at 5:48 pm
Thread: St. Louis Blues signed Ivan Barbashev (2 Years / $2,250,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Beardo_jr</b></div><div>As a biased Blues fan, I like this signing for Barbashev</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dzinger18</b></div><div>Great signing for the Blues. I like Barbashev a lot and it's great for them to get him on a deal just a hair above the Jost deal, and in my opinion, Barbashev is much better than Jost. Love this signing for the blues.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Roysboy72</b></div><div>The only thing I don't like about this is that it walks him straight into free agency.</div></div>

It's an overpaid contract for probably one of the least productive 4th Line Center at this moment. I hope it turns around but we could have spent money on other areas and move Joshua up.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 5:36 pm
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Treize131</b></div><div>I mean I was talking about how the <em>move </em>didn't feel like a "retool" move, rather it feels more like a "rebuild" move. If we move Gaudreau we'd have to find some way to find those goals and points and this trade simply leaves us with too much of a gap to bridge. So, we'd only consider a move like this if we were throwing in the towel and looking to the future.

And, well, we <em>are </em>retooling. Last year BT bet on some 800k contracts having breakout or bounce-back years and lost on all of those bets. This time around he's making more intentional additions that fit with a coach that has every intention of making this team competitive. The 6 year deal for Coleman is a retool move. Same goes for Zadorov.

We are in a tricky cap situation but until extensions start rolling in shipping out key difference makers is a complete mistake. Honestly, the player that's higher on the list of getting moved is Monahan given how well Lindholm fit into the centre position.

And, for the record, Gaudreau has 42 (edit: actually 52!) more points than Tarasenko in 11 less games and is 2 years younger. Tarasenko can be the difference maker that can swing games at times but his injury history leaves a lot to be desired.</div></div>

Too much gap for this year, see Calgary has a lot options offseason. Calgary in my eyes could probably pull a Claude Giroux, Niederreiter, Zibanejad, Hertl, Forsberg, Barkov even. I really think a retool starts with offloading money. get you pick in the Top 10-15 Picks (STACKED) pull off a great player. You have players coming up who will be studs. We all know it. And you can sign some good players. I don't see how having 2 firsts in the 2022 1st Round is going to harm you with how well 2022 has performed over the past few years. Probably the best one since 2015. Optimistic as the name of it works perfectly Couturier or Trocheck could be one heck of the player in Calgary. I just think it's a pipedream to want an arm and a leg for a guy on a 1 year contract I just dont see it. Taylor Hall set the price tag on what I see as a trade and what most people see as a trade. Retooling doesn't mean you get a piece for a piece in that year. This could be one of the best things that Calgary could do. Reset and you look to hit some big market players in Free Agency.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 5:27 pm
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Tkachuk is playing on the right wing currently, Edmonton didn't really improve, their defense is awful. Most of the prospects you named will be on either 2-way contracts or in the sub 1M deals. Calgary literally just traded for a backup goalie and according to Boston fans he is NHL ready but would have been claimed off waivers since they have Ullmark and Swayman.

At this point you are trying to justify why you want Calgary to trade the #1 player on their team to you, no thank you. We will keep him and resign him for 7-8M like the market puts him at. Flames definitely will have the money to sign all 3, look at Tampa, there are so many ways to move cap. Hell Lucic could just retire after his final signing bonus, if not he has a M-NTC and can be moved for cheap. Zadorov is probably only getting a 1 year deal.</div></div>

The defense isn't awful tbh. Ceci had sustained numbers last year. Keith should be decent. Long shot if Lucic retires. Long shot that Kylington Valimaki get under 1 million but hell if they play like sh*t to you then sure have that day dream. Hell no way Mangiapane gets under a million. So good luck with that and have fun with Tkachuk getting 9+ Million dollars on a deal thinking you have a pipedream chance of winning a cup. It's not gonna happen with this set of players. I know Gaudreau is some god in Calgary. If you move on from him chances are you get lucky hit on some free agents that wouldn't happen if you signed Gaudreau to a 7 Million dollar contract and Tkachuk to a 9 Million or more contract.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>No but you could have started with "Ive done a lot of homework on the draft and I can promise you the 1st few rounds are very strong" instead of stating something that any sheeple could have repeated</div></div>

If you want me to go into detail I can definitely do it, I've done it over the past 4 years.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 4:43 pm
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Top LW would be Matthew Tkachuk at this point, and with how the Center role is, interestingly enough you won't even get close. Tell me how your team isn't in a retool. You see next year's free agency class. You guys have regressed over the past 2 years, and during yesterday Edmonton completely passed you up on the list for chances to push for playoff spots. Vancouver is on the edge as well but Seattle made a bunch of moves, and I'd bet they would do better than you guys at this very point as well. You have 12 Million in cap space to sign 5 quality players and a backup tendy. Kylington, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, Dube, and Gawdin are all still neding to be re-signed. Zadorov's original ask was 5.9 Million and it just recently came down to 4 million. So that leaves about 8 Million to spend on a backup goaltender and 5 different players. Need I mention Flat cap. Tkachuk is going to get a raise, Gaudreau is going to want a raise, Mangiapane is going to want a raise, that also doesn't show you how much Monahan is gonna want in 2 years. 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, Middle 6 Forward (Played a ton of Top 6 minutes), and a quality Joel Hofer which can be switched in for someone else but Hofer is worth around probably a 2nd in terms of quality ceiling. On 1 year left on a deal. You won't get anything more for someone like this. If you want to look at players with similar production and on 1-year deals. Hall 50% retained, Lazar for 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork. 2022 1st Round Pick is better than a 2021 2nd Round Pick and I'm going to say a 3rd Round Pick, Hofer, and Sanford probably gets you more than Bjork. Plus you aren't giving up another piece like Lazar. So tell me how stupid I am when the market it set itself up that way. You really think I didn't read into it? Calgary won't have money to sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and when Monahan is up in a couple of seasons from now.

The Tarasenko argument is very stupid. You guys don't even want him because you think it's a bad contract. If you want to discuss a Gaudreau for Tarasenko I would gladly look into it further, but from what recent Rental contracts got. I shouldn't have to explain the hockey world market on this, but because you are a calgary fan and you are gung-ho about him staying and re-signing guess you can say good by to Tkachuk then, but Calgary isn't getting any better. Yes guy had good numbers, but you wouldn't change anyone's minds about it being a sign and trade. You can't Boston got Hall for half his regular value long term and re-signed him. That's what this market has come to especially with what you have to sign.</div></div>

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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>You are assuming Calgary is 1. selling him (which they arent), and 2. Trading him for less than extension price (which they wouldnt)</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 4:42 pm
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Treize131</b></div><div>Trading our top LW and cornerstone of our offensive production is not a "retool" move, especially considering the return you have here: potentially late 1st round pick, a 3rd 2 years from now, a goaltending prospect (that we don't need btw), and a top-6 2-way forward winger (that we have multiple of already). This is the kind of return is similar to when we traded Iginla a few years back. He was nearing the end of his career and the Flames were in a full fledged rebuild mode; other teams knew we couldn't ask for much more than we got.

We're not in that position with Gaudreau, not by a long shot.

A retool move would've been Gaudreau for Tarasenko straight-up. Change of scenery for two players that each had a down season last year.</div></div>

Top LW would be Matthew Tkachuk at this point, and with how the Center role is, interestingly enough you won't even get close. Tell me how your team isn't in a retool. You see next year's free agency class. You guys have regressed over the past 2 years, and during yesterday Edmonton completely passed you up on the list for chances to push for playoff spots. Vancouver is on the edge as well but Seattle made a bunch of moves, and I'd bet they would do better than you guys at this very point as well. You have 12 Million in cap space to sign 5 quality players and a backup tendy. Kylington, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, Dube, and Gawdin are all still neding to be re-signed. Zadorov's original ask was 5.9 Million and it just recently came down to 4 million. So that leaves about 8 Million to spend on a backup goaltender and 5 different players. Need I mention Flat cap. Tkachuk is going to get a raise, Gaudreau is going to want a raise, Mangiapane is going to want a raise, that also doesn't show you how much Monahan is gonna want in 2 years. 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, Middle 6 Forward (Played a ton of Top 6 minutes), and a quality Joel Hofer which can be switched in for someone else but Hofer is worth around probably a 2nd in terms of quality ceiling. On 1 year left on a deal. You won't get anything more for someone like this. If you want to look at players with similar production and on 1-year deals. Hall 50% retained, Lazar for 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork. 2022 1st Round Pick is better than a 2021 2nd Round Pick and I'm going to say a 3rd Round Pick, Hofer, and Sanford probably gets you more than Bjork. Plus you aren't giving up another piece like Lazar. So tell me how stupid I am when the market it set itself up that way. You really think I didn't read into it? Calgary won't have money to sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and when Monahan is up in a couple of seasons from now.

The Tarasenko argument is very stupid. You guys don't even want him because you think it's a bad contract. If you want to discuss a Gaudreau for Tarasenko I would gladly look into it further, but from what recent Rental contracts got. I shouldn't have to explain the hockey world market on this, but because you are a calgary fan and you are gung-ho about him staying and re-signing guess you can say good by to Tkachuk then, but Calgary isn't getting any better. Yes guy had good numbers, but you wouldn't change anyone's minds about it being a sign and trade. You can't Boston got Hall for half his regular value long term and re-signed him. That's what this market has come to especially with what you have to sign.