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Billy316

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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19 at 2:52 p.m.
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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 8:47 a.m.
Thread: cupping
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 14 at 11:04 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy316</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div></div>

KK wanted Term , MB said no and made a take it or leave it offer.
Carolina's New Owner after CAR trades were shut down said Offer Sheet Kotkanemi 1 year deal which MB reportedly wouldnt offer as kk would be arbitration eligible then.


KK was pissed about being replaced by Suzuki and being stuck behind Danault 100%
That doesnt mean he leaves like he did if Marc just offered him the 1 year to get to arbitration or the term he asked for.
No where did i read KK was asking for a Trade, he wasnt
He was just noticeable annoyed with our Coach first and foremost
We were out matched , no way we could win with Evan in over KK it was a lateral move at best.
Given we fired the same coach cause of his issues with Caufield among others , i wouldnt slant it all on KK

He wasnt a Problem child with a bad attitude like Ryan Poehling or Michael McCarron
He was a kid who just played all 3 years of his ELC Pro after Debuting at what 18 or 19?
He left too early and had he not gone via Offer sheets and stayed he coulda been traded later.
In making this move he was 30 some games removed from being able to work with MSL without Danault in his path.

I get the instinct is to blame KK but the fans loved him and his goofy ass interviews.
They only turned sour when he left after a ECF run where we lost so much already to injuries both short term and career ending as well as to UFA status.
I get why fans are mad at KK but really Marc Bergavin was that bad and on his 1 real build since 2012 as he coasted on Gaineys players until 2017
Thats when he started to lay his foundation with a restaff of virtually all Development and Draft departments.
Thats when success began to be seen.

Issue is losing your #3 OA pick after a ECF where you benched him for a semi concussed 7th round pick Center is a hard blunder to explain away cause your right that moment replacing him with Evans in the SCF games was likely the thing that made him thing "Offer sheets is an option now" as most draft picks feel a certain amount of loyalty especially during their ELC's

MB made some bad moves and worse signings so he had to go.
He may be able to find the youth but he cant develop them worth a crap as they only began to flourish once Coach Nicholas was Hired.
Who hired Coach Nicholas again ?

I truly believe if MB was fired the previous year or during it that KK would still be in MTL thriving under MSL
That said im glad he didnt as it would have cost us Slafkovsky in the end who i much prefer</div></div>

Management and KK are to blame. KK acted like a child at a time where he was about to get handed 2C duties, Bergevin screwed his development and the fans got sour when it was apparent KK wanted out and Bergevin was happy to oblige.

I don't think KK was ever going to thrive, the team reached when the drafted him and it looks like they were right to move on.

I don't think blame lays on one party or the other, it's a two way street but in the end it was a waste of a high draft pick and that will always irritate fans
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 14 at 7:12 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy316</b></div><div>TBH Utah's New Owners have a different idea on how to build so Armstrong will be dealing a lot of assets he built up.
Utah isnt looking for a 4-5 year rebuild they want to use the assets they have piled up like VGK did post expansion draft
For that reason would Kuz make more sense with Necas in that package?

I'd argue KK fits CHI build timeline and gives them a reliable 3rd line Center for Faceoffs with potential to move up.
KK has a positive and sarcastic attitude that went over quite well in MTL and now in CAR. I dont blame him for quitting on Bergavin after he big timed him like he did Lehkonen, Radulov, Markov, ext
Our GM basically went "take it or leave it , what are you gonna do " on a low ball offer cause KK wasnt Arbitration eligible
So KK signed an offer sheet and left , i woulda too

So Attitude shouldnt be an issue for CHI there .
ARZ i think they want more to make an impact statement straight out the gate and a package with Necas and Kuz i think does that.
Kuz attitude will be driving one of the most losing franchises in history to help them turn the page in their 3rd City now after WPG and ARZ failed causing relocations.
He'll have 1 year to prove he's this teams William Karlsson or Marchessault but worse case scenario he's a rather cheap rental given the package. So win win

Cap shouldnt be an issue i dont think
Before the sale of the Team and the interview with the Owners i wouldnt think Kuz to a team like ARZ or even Utah would make sense.
But if they're only half as aggressive as VGK was then this would be far from their last move
Honestly i kinda see them targeting Ullmark to make a splash</div></div>

Yes, I know Utah ownership wants to change the direction of that team, but I'd like to consider a few things, such as

- possibility of players not being happy to move from Arizona to Utah, therefore potentially requesting trades to get a fresh start (granted Utah is also a fresh start so sucks for them who wanted to stay in desert lmao)
- ability to gain players to build around that are either already signed long term from the get-go or RFAs lined up for long-term extension (Necas, Kotkaniemi in this example)
- ability to use the stacked amount of futures they already have to better the team overall

I think Utah team will look a lot different from the Arizona team, with also some of the core players likely to change scenery...maybe. It's all what ifs at this point.

In my honest opinion, no competitive team should touch Kuznetsov, but there's no doubt in my mind some GM will be dumb enough to do so at "correct" price. This makes it a valid reason for Hawks to try that gamble...but I do agree that it makes sense for them to target KK as well. I do think tho that KK has more trade value than Kuzy, so direct swapping doesn't work.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 14 at 6:33 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy316</b></div><div>TBH Utah's New Owners have a different idea on how to build so Armstrong will be dealing a lot of assets he built up.
Utah isnt looking for a 4-5 year rebuild they want to use the assets they have piled up like VGK did post expansion draft
For that reason would Kuz make more sense with Necas in that package?

I'd argue KK fits CHI build timeline and gives them a reliable 3rd line Center for Faceoffs with potential to move up.
<em>KK has a positive and sarcastic attitude that went over quite well in MTL and now in CAR. I dont blame him for quitting on Bergavin after he big timed him like he did Lehkonen, Radulov, Markov, ext
Our GM basically went "take it or leave it , what are you gonna do " on a low ball offer cause KK wasnt Arbitration eligible
So KK signed an offer sheet and left , i woulda too
</em>

Just wanted to comment on this KK blurb, that's not what happened. He turned cry baby when he got healthy scratched in the Stanley cup finals for Staal and asked to be moved out that off season. Bergevin said he wasn't trading him, offered him a fair 3 million bridge deal, Carolina offered to trade for him but werent willing to meet what I'm going to guess was a high price by Bergevin so Carolina and KK decided to force Bergevins hand.

KK was positive but he also thought he deserved more than he did. I get why he would think that since MTL rushed his development and got him thinking he was going to be important. In the end though he wanted out because he thought MTL should have played him more, not because Bergevin low balled him</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 6 at 8:27 a.m.
Thread: Caps
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3 at 5:47 p.m.