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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 15 at 5:02 p.m.
Thread: Moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KMMHL2012</b></div><div>Clearly math isn't your strong suit, or critical thinking, as you should've have ran the simulation rather than running your mouth. lol

Go make the team with the retained salary, Pezetta and Schueneman to the minors, would yield a cap hit of $82,489,166..... yes, it's below the cap.

Keeping only Price on LTIR.

So, to reiterate, Habs will have the cap space.</div></div>

ugh.... I forgot how obnoxious 99% of the internet is.

I literally did a mock ACGM, and doing this deal, dumping Lavoie, Schueneman, and the Pez in the minors... only rolling at 21 man roster... gives the Habs just below $11k in "cap space"....

If you live in reality, Hughes won't risk not having enough cap space to do call ups to cover injuries (and there will be more than just one at a time during the season). so Habs will be rolling more than a 21 man roster..... hence..

They won't have the cap, and they most certainly won't put themselves in a $11k cap for freakin Tyson Barrie... not to mention taking on an additional year of his contract as opposed to Drouin being UFA at the end of this year.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 15 at 3:18 p.m.
Thread: Moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KMMHL2012</b></div><div>1) yes, the can fit that under the cap, with Price and Byron likely on LTIR for the remainder of their contracts, and Monahan starting the season off on LTIR freeing up tons of room.

2) They get Lavoie, a B+ prospect, and a RHD under contract for 2 seasons in Barrie.

As a Habs fan, I take that deal for Drouin who is definitely too soft mentally to ever play in the Montreal market after this season.</div></div>

Neither Byron or Monahan will be placed on LTIR. This has already been confirmed by Hughes. Only Price will be on LTIR to start the season. Byron will start on regular IR and will still count against the cap. Still no confirmation if Monahan and Drouin will start the season, but neither will be on LTIR.

....Habs won't have the cap space.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 15 at 2:54 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 13 at 4:20 p.m.
Thread: Final Move - The King Version
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Barrie's an Offensive D-Man and Edmundson's a Big Physical Shut Down D-Man.... Ones paid to score which he does extremely well and the other is to shut down the other team, which he does, but only when he's healthy, which I don't believe he's ever completed an entire season!? Weidman's just a throw in, but the Oilers would do just as good, if not better keeping Desharnais and playing him at 3RD. Only advantage Weidman has is NHL experience, otherwise he doesn't defend too well either. I'd rather have Edmundson over Savard though who can't Score or Defend; Savard's just a Big Old Pylon now</div></div>

The only reason Edmundson missed most of last season, was due to his father being sick. He returned to the team a few weeks after his dad passed away... so your whole "when he's healthy" part doesn't hold up.
Habs expectations of Edmundson's value, <strong>if they make him available</strong>, will be high. He's a better version of Chiarot (bigger, and a far better skater, and more defensively responsible). He's also signed to a reasonable contract with 2 years left on it. Also, even if the Habs are rebuilding, Edmundson is the perfect veteran to insulate the young dmen coming up (Guhle, Harris, Barron, etc.). So he's extremely needed, at least this year.

So with Barrie being an expendable piece (that EDM would like to shed to clear cap), and Edmundson still an essential piece for MTL, it's really not even close.


As for the deal as a whole, I've completed given up on Poolparty. He's an offensive black hole. He's played right next to Mcdavid and Draisaitl for the better part of 2 years and can only put up 3rd line numbers (Then Kane steps in and shows what it's like to be successful playing with those guys). Put Poolparty with lesser players (as in MTL), and he'll be no better than Armia... not interested.
I'd rather see what MTL can get for Dadonov on his own. Evans is worth more then all the other assets being sent back. I agree that Widemen is a throw in.

No deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 9 at 5:56 p.m.
Thread: Opening Night
Both Monahan and Drouin from the look of things will be good to go to the start the season. but assuming they won't, my bet Hoffman and Dadonov (moved to RW) will be put together with a defensively responsible C (Evans or Dvorak). Both played together and were linemates in FLA. Reuniting them could be good.

Caufield under Marty St-Louis played on his off-wing, so maybe start with Anderson with them? if that doesn't work, maybe Gally?

Would definitely try and have a veteran C to "shelter" Slafkovsky. Maybe Monahan when he gets in the lineup?

Also, Hughes already said that Byron won't be placed on LTIR.



Caufield - Suzuki - Anderson
Safkovsky - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pitlick - Dach - Armia
Hoffman - Evans - Dadonov

There's no "real" 4th line. just distribute the time evenly between the "3rd" and "4th" line.

With Drouin and Monahan in:

Caufield - Suzuki - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Gallagher/Dach
Drouin - Dvorak - Dach/Gallagher
Hoffman - Evans - Dadonov

Pitlick - Armia scratched
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 9 at 12:26 p.m.
Thread: Mantha
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Mantha's size and age alone make him more valuable than Hoffman. Comparing point totals is kind of pointless here as there are a lot of varying circumstances between the two. I do think Mantha may have lost some of his value since the trade to WSH though but not nearly enough to be worth Hoffman and 3rd.

I think Wash is in their rights to ask for the FLA 1st round pick + Hoffman. Habs are well within their rights to decline and should.</div></div>



I find a "comparable" for Mantha on the Habs is Drouin. People don't like hearing it, but it's true. Both put up roughly the same offensive production. Both have been battling injuries for a while. Both are more valuable to their own teams then they would be on the market. Both have have elite offensive talent, but have never been able to put it all together consistently.

Mantha obviously gets an edge in value over Drouin because of his size, and being more of a goal scorer whereas Drouin is more of a playmaker. But that's the closest comparable on the Habs if both WAS and MTL were looking at doing a player swap. I don't see a fit though, unless MTL adds another forward. They already have too many.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 30 at 5:01 p.m.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensAug. 26 at 2:17 p.m.
Thread: Early Habs 2022-2023 season predictions
Time to get out your crystal balls! Let's have a bit of fun a put up our "way too early" season predictions!

Here's how I structured the predictions.

1st section is player season performance predictions. You have 3 categories: great season (exceeds expectations or showed great progress), average season (did not show any major improvements, but also did not disappoint), bad season (did not meet expectations or just had a bad season). Place 3 players in EACH of the three categories and give a small explanation for why they are there. *please try and put players who will have a significant role on the team. to keep things interesting!*. Do not put more than 3 players in the categories, even though there could be many more that have great or bad seasons. Just choose 3.

My predictions:
<strong>Great Season</strong>
Cole Caufield (hits the 40 goal mark)
Juraj Slafkovsky (proves doubters wrong and "at least" gets nominated for the Calder trophy)
Michael Matheson (Has all Habs fans say "Prime Jeff Petry who?" by seasons end and is the Habs best defensemen by a wide margin)

<strong>Average Season </strong>
Nick Suzuki (puts up 60ish pts season again. Not a bad season, but has everyone starting to doubt if he can be a #1C)
Brendan Gallagher (improvement over last season, which isn't saying much. puts up over 40pts, but just shy of 20 goals)
Kaiden Ghule (becomes an NHL regular, Yay! but doesn't show any of the "top pairing" potential everybody is hoping for)

<strong>Bad season</strong>
Josh Anderson (with a plethora of wingers on the team, Anderson's inconsistencies gets him relegated to a bottom 6 role...really hoping I'm wrong on this one)
Christian Dvorak (gets eclipsed by the combination Monahan, Dach, and Evans at C. Injuries continue as well)
Jonathan Drouin (for whatever reason, can never get things going. Same as the previous 3 seasons, is away from the team for large amounts of time due to injuries or other reasons.)



2nd section is team performance predictions. Only 1 category: Standings placement (within division, conference, and NHL)

My predictions:
<strong>Standings placement</strong>
7th place in division (ahead of Buffalo, 8th, who finish last, but closely behind Detroit, 6th, in points and *fingers crossed* Florida who have a down season and finish 5th in the division)
14th in conference (ahead of Philly, 16th, who finish last, and Buffalo, 15th)
27th in the NHL, as in 6th last. (ahead of Chicago, Philly, Arizona, Buffalo, Seattle. As much as I'd like MTL to finish last to get Bedard... It would take another disastrous season for that to happen. Any kind of improvement, which is what we are hoping for for our young core, will only bring the Habs higher up in the standings... Nowhere to go but up from last year)




3rd section is the trade + pending UFA predictions. To make it interesting, you can trade ONLY 3 players (pending UFA or not), and you HAVE to extend 2 of MTLs pending UFAs. Predict who's being traded, and for what return, and predict the contract extension of both UFA players.

My predictions:
<strong>Trades </strong>
Mike Hoffman (gets traded way before trade deadline day, to a playoff team who's had PP struggles. MTL gets a 3rd rd pick + an average prospect. No salary retention. My guess for the teams are LAK, MIN, NAS)
Evegeni Dadonov (gets traded on trade deadline day, for a 2nd rd pick, 50% salary retention, My guess for teams are BOS, WSH, EDM)
Joel Edmondson (MTL will be looking to add another 1st rd pick at the 2023 draft, and none of their pending UFAs will get them that value. With the emergence of Guhle and Harris, and the fact that Edmondson is still signed to a good contract the following year, compared to what Chiarot signed in DET. Kent Hughes will make him available and get a boat load of interest, and manage to get a 2023 1st for him.... Twitter and CapFriendly implodes with how Team X overpaid for him.... my guess for the teams are LAK, DAL, OTT)

<strong>Extensions</strong>
Sean Monahan, extended 3 years at $4.5mil...maybe $5mil AAV. (Monahan has a solid year, displaces Dvorak, essentially becoming the "Danault replacement" Habs have been looking for, and is a great support, along with Evans, for Suzuki and Dach.
Jake Allen, extended 3 years at $3.25mil AAV. (Goalie market is a barren wasteland, and with no real replacement on the market OR in the Habs current system, Hughes extends Allen)
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 25 at 3:57 p.m.
Thread: According to Friedman repost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Thank you! It's crazy to me that it's not directly spelled out - the NBA has a very specific window that new FA signings cannot be traded in, so it surprises me that someone hasn't taken advantage of the lack of CBA clarity on it.</div></div>

If what Friedman said is to be believed, then at least we know that GMs are exploring it as an option.... So you never know, it could happen at some point.

Then we can all enjoy the chaos that will follow from when it actually happens, and the folks clamoring that it should be cap circumvention.


I really don't see this kind of scenario being that different from including a 3rd team at the trade deadline to retain past the 50% retention limit. It smells and tastes like cap circumvention, but it isn't.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 25 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread: According to Friedman repost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyIsMyPassion61</b></div><div>No

You can't trade a signed player to another team. And then that team retains 50% on that player. It's still cap circumvention and isn't aloud.</div></div>

So you can definitely trade signed players. FLA and CGY just did it so Tkachuk could get 8 years in FLA.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As <a href="https://twitter.com/MouserGuru?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">@MouserGuru</a> points out below, the only way FLA could have signed Tkachuk to an 8 year deal is if he was on their reserve list at Trade Deadline, or if he was already signed through to next years Trade Deadline.Meaning that he signed with CGY first and then was traded to FLA. <a href="https://t.co/ijIY66PC9T" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/ijIY66PC9T</a></p>— CapFriendly (<a href="/users/CapFriendly" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@CapFriendly</a>) <a href="https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1550834207081041923?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">July 23, 2022</a></blockquote>




So the sticking point here is the retention? right?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 25 at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: According to Friedman repost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>huey2107</b></div><div>It was likely deleted because it is cap circumvention.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyIsMyPassion61</b></div><div>We already said that this is illegal and it's cap circumvention, Teams can't sign a player at full value then flip them at 50% retention it's not aloud. The new CBA forbids this very thing. And Friedman should know about that. Every GM in the league would challenge this.</div></div>


I'm not seeing the rule where it says it. still looking.

Still a general good discussion to have though. I don't see how it's any different then getting a 3rd team at the trade deadline to retain more salary, thus exceeding the 50% salary retention limit...