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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 4:31 p.m.
Thread: Trading down conversation and possibilities
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>I don't like to rely on player comp's, every player is a different person both on and off the ice. The reason I am not interested in trading 1st OVA is because 1. Wright is the best player in this draft right now (maybe he ends up as the 5th best in 3-5 years maybe he remains the best) 2. Montreal's biggest need is at center 3. No one is offering a 2023 unprotected 1st + a top 5 pick this year as compensation.</div></div>

I agree with your 2nd and 3rd points, but for your 1st point is where that all becomes irrelevant. Regardless if Wright is the consensus best player, if he isn't 1st on Jeff Gorton, Kent Hughes, Martin Lapointe and all the Habs scouting team draft board. They won't pick him. and that is a legitimate possibility.

So let's say Habs have Nemec as #1 on their draft board, Slafkovsky #2, Wright #3, Jiricek #4, and Cooley #5 (who knows), MTL will definitely look at maximizing their 1st overall pick and trading down, to get more value if they believe NJD and ARI don't have Nemec at #1 or #2 on their draft boards. That's how that works. If they believe NJD or ARI have him high on their draft board, they might just outright pick Nemec 1st overall (then the whole hockey world explodes)
Again, this is all hypothetical. Definitely not unrealistic.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:54 p.m.
Thread: Trading down conversation and possibilities
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Not interested at all in trading 1st OVA, why is this even being entertained? Unless a team is going to go crazy and give up their top 5 pick AND an unprotected 2023 1st we are keeping the 1st OVA as Wright fills our BIGGEST need.</div></div>

As much as a lot of Habs fans are convinced that Shane Wright is the second coming of Patrice Bergeron (or better), there's too much info out there from so many scouting sources that indicate Wright's potential has a lot of doubt of being able to live up to the hype. You have to realize there IS a legit possibility Habs management won't like what they see, and the decide to pass on him. This conversation is just exploring that possibility.

That being said, I fully expect MTL to select him 1st overall, and fingers crossed he can live up to everyone's expectations.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 3:53 p.m.
Thread: Offseason moves with Price in limbo and 2022 starting lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dopplsan</b></div><div>CBJ pass. They have no need for Armia on the B6, and that is otherwise a lot of money and term to take on.

AZ got a (2025) 2nd for taking on 1.5 season of Ritchie. To take on three season of <a href="https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/04/19132951/Screen-Shot-2022-04-19-at-1.13.23-PM.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Armia</a> who still has about $12M due to him? The bribe would have to be *much* better than a 3rd and 4th.</div></div>

The dilemma with that is... if Habs keep Armia in this situation, they in cap trouble (surprising I know). If Price isn't "LTIretired" and miraculously comes back..... Habs are over the cap. Take into account that MTL have to pay over $1.1mil in performance bonuses from this past season, and still over $800k in buyout to Alzner.....

*EDIT* So I see Alzner's buyout is already taken into account, but it would still have MTL up against the cap..... as a bottom feeder team....
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 3:46 p.m.
Thread: Offseason moves with Price in limbo and 2022 starting lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>This! Find a stop-gap, or keep Petry. Aside from the close-to-the-heart "Bring our hometown boy home!!!" stuff, Letang leaving a contender to hit the basement and *likely* be declining by the time the Habs are competitive again seems like a poor investment (Plus, it'll cost closer to $8-8.5 x 3 or 4 to get him)</div></div>

That's exactly what Letang would be..... a stop gap..... You need someone for 2-3 years to shelter the kids and allow them to develop properly, hence why I signed him to a 3 year deal....so with that being said, why not the hometown boy?! I get the other side of things, not much reason for Letang to come here other than sentimentality....
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 3:27 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 3:09 p.m.
Thread: Offseason moves with Price in limbo and 2022 starting lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>The idea that Weber gets the Habs a pick back is something that continues to befuddle me. With the amount of capped out teams out there, the likelihood that there's a lineup of teams out there that will pay to move a 1-2 year cap dump is pretty high. Future considerations similar to Boychuk? Sure. But "A decent draft pick"? I don't see it. Arizona is amassing futures. Yes, they need to get to the floor, but I don't know why they'd actually pay someone to do it, especially given that Weber actually has a negative impact on the Habs future cap (Being in LTIR is the reason why the Habs bonus overages are pushed to next year).

Not saying it won't happen, but it doesn't really make sense to me. The low AAV/High hit? Sure. Giving up assets to do it? Nahhh.</div></div>

I'm not saying it will be a great pick (1st or 2nd rd), but the thing is that there will be a market for his contract.

There WILL be teams looking to get to the cap floor, even in this cap strapped era we are in. ARI will be among them. Others will be OTT, SEA, maybe BUF.
The benefit of going for Weber's contract is....instead of spending millions of dollars on players you might not even want in your line up taking a roster spot that could be better served on young guns, you get Weber's<strong> insured</strong> contract, and pay ZERO dollars. it's all about the money, and we've seen GMs pay for financial flexibility.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 16, 2021 at 2:43 p.m.
Thread: fully healthy roster breakdown
What I would say is that the Habs are extremely flawed a certain positions that it diminishes how good other positions can be. At forward both RW and LW are solid imo on all lines. I would try and avoid touching (trading) any of them. The Center position is killing the Habs right now. It hurts to say, but the loss of Danault is what's killing the Habs at the forward position. He took all the hard matchups and ate all the ****ty minutes nobody wants to play. It leaves Suzuki exposed, Dvorak should be at most (from what we've seen) a 3rd line C. MTL desperately need a two-way top 6 C, and Dvorak isn't it. Poehling and Evans are both good if they were rotating 3rd, 4th line roles, but with how underwhelming Dvorak has been, they are all stuck playing over their station.

On D, the left side is fine. I can live with what's there and be patient with all the LD prospects coming up in the next year or two. At RD.....needs a complete overhaul... Petry has been god awful (injury or no), Savard shouldn't be playing more than 13ish minutes a night on the 3rd pair and PK, and there's no one to fill out a top 4 role.

At G, I honestly put no blame on Allen, he hasn't been stellar (he isn't paid to be), but his numbers don't reflect how little help he is getting.

The team has also given up the the coaching staff imo. Sucks but i think it's the truth. it looks like Ducharme really did get lucky in the playoffs with Price playing like his old self. Ducharme can't fix the sinking ship, and hearing the comments Petry has been making since the beginning of the season, no one is buying into his system.

I would try and avoid a rebuild, just fix the damn C and RD positions and see what comes of it... and get a new coach. I wouldn't be upset though if a rebuild would be the route Gorton chooses however.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensDec. 3, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
Forum: Montreal CanadiensNov. 30, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
Thread: Gorton is the GM of the team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gm_jeanguy</b></div><div>French is my mother language and I couldn't agree more. Enough with the "GM and coach must speak french" thing, this is just to avoid a media crisis and brings zero value to the process of icing a team that wins championships in the modern NHL.</div></div>

Agreed. I don't think it should be fully ignored however. So long as it doesn't interfere with the most qualified person getting the job to build a winning roster. and you could have multiple "most qualified" candidates. It can be very subjective.

Hypothetically. Let's say there are only two candidates for the GM job. BOTH are equally qualified for the position with regards to Hockey expertise and experience, but one only speaks English, and the other is bilingual. If it were any other team in the NHL, the language component really doesn't matter, so they would be free to take either candidate. but with MTL I think in this circumstance, language is the deciding factor and the job is given to the bilingual candidate.

As I said, as long as the most qualified person gets the job. Language comes secondary. and I think this is what Molson did. He decided that Gorton was the best candidate period, and worked around the language barrier by creating a new title for him, with the promise to French media that a French speaking individual will still be GM.

The only issue with this is finding a GM who is alright with not being the one who pulls the strings. Without a doubt, generally speaking, people who hold these high end leadership positions....want to be in control...and the new GM is not going to get all of it in MTL now.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 25, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
Thread: If Montreal did not trade for Dvorak and decided to punt on this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Look at all the replacement level defensemen that DIDN'T return a 1st:

Why are you betting on the outlier?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nhl_oilers</b></div><div>I know… he still is a decent defence man though, if you watch the games. I’m not saying you don’t, and I agree with you, but I don’t like basing my whole opinion on just statistics. But yes, I agree with you, they should not get a first… hopefully.</div></div>


I'd tend to agree that Chiarot's value shouldn't be a 1st rd pick. through the views of analytics, he's probably not worth more than a 3rd or late 2nd rd pick....... BUT..... not all teams management group lean heavily with analytics, and I can say that Ken Holland certainly isn't part of that group.

Chiarot has a pedigree of being "built for the playoffs". He can eat a lot of hard minutes, play the pk, pitch in every now an then on offense, and has that physical edge. Add all that to what he showed in last years playoffs, and voila! that's where all this "he has a late 1st rd pick value" is coming from. Please don't be ignorant to the fact that this isn't only coming from the MTL fan base on here...it's coming from sports media, articles, etc.

As someone who doesn't post all that often anymore, I for one wouldn't be surprised either way if Chiarot gets a 1st+, or just a 3rd rd pick. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if Bergevin signs him to an extension and moves someone else instead lol
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 20, 2021 at 5:10 p.m.
Thread: Buddy of mine pitched me this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey247</b></div><div>alex tuch is a 2nd line player at best. i understand the reasoning, but habs have no need for him. but we do have a need for good young centers. if anything, size and speed haven't been an issue for the habs upfront. we can't just toss around an elite growing talent like KK</div></div>

Yeah I'm in the same boat, I think there would have to be multiple factors from the Habs side of things that would need to happen to even consider this (which I think the end result would still be no).

Drouin (and his cap hit) would have to be gone, Danault would need to be re-signed, Habs would have to be really comfortable with Evans as their #3C, or be convinced Poehling can take the next step in the next year or 2.
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