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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2019 at 7:21 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12, 2019 at 1:21 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 11, 2019 at 5:35 p.m.
Thread: Bob out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>As I said, age has nothing to do with this. Jake played NCAA, he was a student first, athlete second.
Kyrou has been an athlete this whole time. It's not even remotely the same. Why do you have a hard time figuring that out.
Jake sat in classes and did homework, while squeezing in workouts and games.

Kyrou played in the OHL full time.

It's two different paths. So the age difference means nothing. Jake played 30 some games a year in college, Kyrou was playing 66 and 56 games.
He had more time to train, practice etc..... So please don't tell me about an age difference. He's had all the opportunity in the world.

Mete is at least earning his playing time. You can keep trying to knock him but he's earned more time than Kyrou has.

What I have said on Kyrou is pretty clear. He's not a "top prospect in the NHL" as the OP said he was and that was my point from the beginning. Why you keep trying to argue he is, is beyond me. He's closer to being nothing than a top prospect at this point.

I have stated multiple times he can turn it around, but I've also been clear that the clock is ticking. You seem to think it's an endless clock. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt of dilly dallying around. There are always the next, their the best prospect ever, waiting to come in next year. Which is why if he doesn't distinguish himself he'll be run out of town soon. You look at the team and Kostin is a RW too! There go your top 3 RW spots and Kyrou doesn't play a 4th line game. So then he's buried and gone along with the idea that he's a "top prospect" because if he was he wouldn't be traded. He ends up the guy who couldn't crack the line up and prove himself while he had the chance and needs a "change of scenery"

He's got next year. If he does nothing, he'll probably be shipped out because Kostin isn't waiting on him. Two years in the AHL with some NHL try outs is more than enough time to tell if there is a place on a team for a player or not.</div></div>

AGE HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT! If Guentzel would've come into the league after 1 yr at NCAA, you really think he would just explode onto the scene? Players have to mature, physically, mentally, professionally. An OHLer doesn't become NHL ready faster than an NCAA player just because he's not going to classes lol. Honestly, I'd say that the NCAA guy has a better chance to get bigger and stronger since they play fewer games and can spend more time in the weight room during the season. So if Guentzel was a top prospect at age 20, why was he toiling around in Omaha instead of playing with the big club? Oh, it wasn't his choice? Kinda like it's not Kyrou's fault that the team is developing him in the AHL?

Let me ask you this. What makes Kostin a better prospect than Kyrou? If age isn't a factor and this is Kostin's 2nd AHL season?

This is just so riduculous. Different types of players take different paths to the NHL, and guys develop at different speeds. Kyrou won the OHL MVP, led Canada in scoring at the WJC, and is at a point per game halfway into his first AHL season. He's a top prospect. That's why he's on every writer's list as a top prospect. But I guess it's you that is right and all of the professionals that are wrong...

And for the record, yes, if he isn't an NHLer by the end of next season, maybe there's something wrong. But my God, why are you so pessimistic about him when there's essentially no chance that that's how it plays out? I should not have come to this thread, not sure what else there is to say.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 11, 2019 at 4:50 p.m.
Thread: Bob out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>Jake played in the NCAA, which is the only reason he didn't play sooner.
You seen to think the age means something. It' doesn't. You can look at a player like Victor Mete who was a 4th round pick and he's getting ice time.
While there are a lot of players who come out the NCAA a bit older, they don't get the same level of coaching. I know, I played in the NCAA. You have to go to classes and get your school work done to even get on the ice. It's not even comparable. One is a full time job, the other is going to school.

Fact is he got his shot at the NHL level and he looked lost. How you even continue to argue that shows how clueless you are. While other young players are earning ice time.
He's a player spinning wheels and not doing anything. So what if he scores points in the AHL. It's not comparable, just like he scored 100 pts in the CHL but he still looked lost.

You want to yap about Bokk's shooting percentage. I hate to break it to you, part of the job of a hockey player is to actually get the puck in the net. 2% isn't just "bad luck". The player does take some responsibility for that. Especially wingers! It's not like he's shooting slap shots from the blue line. It shows lack of touch, poor decision making, and frankly a bad shot. Anyone who goes a year with a 2% shooting percentage tells you a bit about their talent level. You end up with a player who can't find the back of the net. But keep making excuses. Hell to have a 2% shooting percentage in any league is embarrassing, let alone in a minor league. That's not how you describe a "top prospect in the NHL" but keep your head up your backside.

Truth is if you enter the AHL at 20, and you are still playing there at 22, you are most likely a fringe player. There are 24 players in the league 20 or under. There are 61 21 and under.
If you actually have the talent they aren't holding players back. The problem is, Kyrou hasn't displayed whatever it is you think he is. He's not close to being ready, and hence not a "top prospect in the NHL"



You realize Pastrnak played at 18 right? Effectively too I might add. Where way Kyrou at 18...... yeah no where. Thanks for proving my point.
If you think beating out Thomas for a position is some mountain to climb I feel sorry for you. You have to earn your ice time. You have to beat other players out to get it. Kyrou hasn't. A top prospect does that. As I said, until he does something he's no where even close. He may have had value at one time, but that poor outing at the NHL level shows how far away he really is. That's not changing any time soon. For a team that can't win, to have him sitting in the AHL says it all. If he was half as good as you think he is, he'd be playing.</div></div>

ok I'm just dumbfounded at this point. So Kyrou is gonna be a bust at a younger age than Guentzel even signed his pro contract? :hushed

Victor Mete eh? Not really the example you're looking for here considering he played for the Habs, was demoted to the AHL, and was just recently called up again.

Basically, what you're saying is that a 20-yr old's first 11 games in the NHL were enough for you to decide that he's pretty much a bust and holds no value. That's completely asinine.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 10, 2019 at 11:00 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 10, 2019 at 10:52 a.m.
Thread: Getting Pietrangelo would make sense if it happens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Name 1 33 year old defenceman who is still elite after reinventing themselves? Defenceman of his calibre are like forwards of his calibre but the drop off is even faster due to the incredible physical tole his style comes with. He already looks like he's declined from his mid 20's. He's also going to want to recoup money he didn't get during his prime on his next contract and some dumb old school GM will give him over 7 million and term on the open market.</div></div>

It is my duty to disagree with you :tearsofjoy

I would say Ryan Suter is the best comparison to Pietrangelo. And in my opinion Suter is still a top-25 defenseman in the league at age 33. Both of them use their brain as their best asset. They can join the rush not because of speed but because of good timing/reads. Both rely on positioning and stickwork over heavy hitting. And neither guy gets hit very often. I can think of one instance in the last 4-5 yrs (!) where Pietrangelo got hit hard. It was vs Philadelphia, Tyrell Goulbourne.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7, 2019 at 4:28 p.m.
Thread: Start completely over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mk458</b></div><div>If you switch Necas to another prospect, maybe Carolina pulls the trigger. I just think Necas is off limits. Maybe Jake Bean? Also I'd imagine that Carolina 1st rounder would have to be top 10 protected. Meaning you probably won't be drafting Suzuki with it. If its that high of a pick it would switch to a 2020 1st rounder.</div></div>

The Draft Analyst has Suzuki at 13th overall. Who knows how the draft shakes out but that's outside the top 10. I like Bean but the ask for Tarasenko with 4 years on his deal is going to be a lot. We all know because of Dundon's comments that he covets offense and doesn't really give a rip about D. If that's true it makes his GM's job that much harder. I know Necas is like Carolina's version of Thomas but I think that's what it would take.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Not a huge fan of Frederic if we are already bringing in Necas and have Thomas. I would most likely want a LW prospect instead. Maybe a RW prospect. But amazing deals.</div></div>

Centers can always move to wings. That doesn't happen in reverse. If Frederic is the best forward the Blues can get in a package deal you take it run.