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Forum: NHLJun 20, 2019 at 1:21 Forum: NHLMay 14, 2019 at 8:38 Forum: NHLMay 10, 2019 at 8:06 <a href="/users/jmac490" target="_blank">@jmac490</a> <a href="/users/Turner33" target="_blank">@Turner33</a> <a href="/users/Missouri" target="_blank">@Missouri</a> <a href="/users/Math" target="_blank">@Math</a> <a href="/users/Luc3" target="_blank">@Luc3</a>
Attention BUF, CAR, DET, and NSH
We have a bit of a tiny, teensy weensy problem with the 2019 Buffalo 3rd round pick. I'll try to run this down as easily as I possibly can, although please keep in mind we're going down a bit of a wormhole for this one:
On June 5, 2018, the pick in question was traded from Buffalo to Detroit in a all-picks deal.
On September 1, 2018, it was traded by Detroit to Florida as part of the Barkov/Larkin deal.
Then, on September 29, 2018, it was once again traded by Detroit, this time to Nashville in the Ekholm/Ekblad deal.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE
On October 7, 2018, it was ONCE AGAIN traded by Buffalo, this time to Carolina in the Anderson/McCabe deal.
I may be BOG, but I have *no idea* how we're supposed to solve this. There is no viable way of reversing any of these deals, so odds are that the twice-traded picks will have to be replaced in some capacity.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div>I think we really need to enforce better pick tracking in trades.
Where picks are recorded, they should always be written with the round, team, and year. ie: 2nd (BUF - 2019)
Too often I see people just writing "2019 4rd" or "Arizona's 2nd". Sometimes they just put something ambiguous like "a 3rd".
Trades involving roster players shouldn't be reversed. If it's just prospects and picks involved, that's different, but player stats have been used to determine results and teams with or without players may have had different results. This chain reaction scenario of one pick impacting several trades, should mean the team that started the chain is responsible for making whole the team at the end of the chain.
I didn't quite follow what Bo was trying to explain happened, but as an example:
BUF trades 2nd to CAR - CAR trades 2nd to CGY
If BUF didn't own the 2nd they traded to CAR, then BUF now "owes" CGY a 2nd
Why BUF traded a 2nd they didn't own to CAR, doesn't matter to CAR or CGY
All that matters is that BUF compensates CGY for the initial mistake
As long as those teams reach an agreement, everything is fine.
If BUF was negligent, the BOG can determine appropriate compensation and deliver it to CGY if they are unable to come to an agreement.
If it was an inherited mistake, then the BOG can assist/mediate the parties in coming to an agreement if they are unable to do so independently.
In either case, it's not like BUF is getting ripped off by making whole CGY. They made the initial trade without giving anything up, and believing they had a pick originally doesn't change the fact that it was an asset not owned by BUF.</div></div>
I agree. Some of our past protocols and requirements have been lackadaisical. We plan on having better trade tracking in the future to avoid instances like this.
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We have a bit of a situation unfolding regarding a draft pick. Specifically the 2019 Minnesota 2nd round pick. This pick was traded a few times, including from MIN to DET, DET to CGY, and then CGY to DET where it currently stands.
Unfortunately, somewhere down the line there was an error regarding this pick. A trade was made between the previous Buffalo GM and Minnesota. On BUF's previous page, a pick he acquired in that trade (2019 PHI 2nd) was falsely labelled as the MIN 2nd.
The problem herein lies in the fact that Buffalo traded this pick to Carolina for Jordan Staal. Without our knowldge, this was an illegal trade, but didn't come up until when we were going through the draft picks for the upcoming Entry Draft. This may not seem like a big deal, but the big problem is that it was then traded to ARI in the Wennberg trade. When Jmac took over BUF, that pick was carried over to his team, despite Buffalo never once controlling this pick. He then traded it to Calgary in the Raanta deal. So, with this one misplaced pick, we have three trades that are being affected. The pick currently resides on both Calgary and Detroit, but it rightfully belongs to DET.
In order to solve the problem with the pick being illegally traded three times, that asset either needs to be replaced in those trades, or they will unfortunately have to all be revised. This could also have shockwave effects on other trades concerning those assets. To this point, we have a potential fix for these problems:
The Staal trade will be reversed.
The Wennberg trade will be corrected by sending the ARI 2019 2nd instead of the illegally traded MIN 2019 2nd.
The Raanta trade will be corrected by sending the PHI 2019 2nd which was supposed to be on BUF, rather than the MIN 2019 2nd