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Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 8, 2021 at 9:33 p.m.
Thread:
Parise Retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>futurehofer</b></div><div>The cap recapture penalty is the accrued cap advantage divided by the years remaining on his contract. The only way his recapture penalty would equal his cap hit in any year would be if the was traded (thus freezing the advantage) and retired when the penalty would otherwise be more than his cap hit. Bored, your numbers are assuming the cap advantage does not decrease as his salary dips below his cap hit which is incorrect.
Here's the breakdown of recapture penalties based on the year he retires, all assuming he isn't traded:
Summer 2021 - $5.04 million for 4 years ($20.154 million cap advantage)
Summer 2022 - $6.21 million for 3 years ($18.615 million cap advantage)
Summer 2023 - $6.54 million for 2 years ($13.077 million cap advantage)
Summer 2024 - $6.54 million for 1 year ($6,538 million cap advantage)
Summer 2025 (end of contract) - $0 ($0 cap advantage)
If you want the rules for cap recapture, it's in Article 50.5 of the 2013 CBA. The amendment in the MOU from last summer just prevents something like a $20.154 million single year cap penalty if he were to be traded and retire elsewhere with 1 year left on his deal. It doesn't fundamentally change the recapture penalty in scenarios where the accrued cap advantage divided by years remaining on the contract would be less than the cap hit as would be the case in any year if he is not traded.</div></div>
You’re correct. These are numbers if he were traded this offseason and retired at some point before the end of his contract.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 8, 2021 at 2:06 a.m.
Thread:
Parise Retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>I'm pretty sure the cap recapture would clock in at his full $7.538M cap hit for four years, until the full cap penalty was paid off, if he actually retired without going on LTIR.</div></div>
PENALTY FOR 2021 RETIREMENT
2021-22
$5,038,463
2022-23
$5,038,463
2023-24
$5,038,463
2024-25
$5,038,463
PENALTY FOR 2022 RETIREMENT
2022-23
$6,717,950
2023-24
$6,717,950
2024-25
$6,717,950
PENALTY FOR 2023 RETIREMENT
2023-24
$7,538,461
2024-25
$7,538,461
2025-26
$5,076,929
PENALTY FOR 2024 RETIREMENT
2024-25
$7,538,461
2025-26
$7,538,461
2026-27
$5,076,929
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 8, 2021 at 1:48 a.m.
Thread:
Parise Retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYRxLundqvist</b></div><div>If he does retire don’t you get a recapture penalty?</div></div>
5.038mil x 4. I have listed it in the IR column.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 14, 2021 at 1:25 p.m.
Thread:
First Game Thoughts
Considering Minnesota holds Pitt’s unprotected 1st round pick, Bill Guerin would be stupid to help Pittsburgh in any way, shape or form.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 17, 2020 at 8:23 p.m.
Thread:
where in the usa i would relocate all Canadian teams
Houston Oilers!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 8, 2020 at 12:06 a.m.
Thread:
Just do it already
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>VGKNation702</b></div><div>That’s fine to me. But the reason I said crazy trades is look up and down this site on fleury trades lol</div></div>
Makes my MAF and 2020 1st for Stalock look pretty reasonable. I’ll amend it to a 2021 1st.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 8, 2020 at 12:01 a.m.
Thread:
Just do it already
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>VGKNation702</b></div><div>Listen if we don’t have to retain, that’s one thing, but seeing these retain 3.5 and give up and 1st and 2nd? No. Just buy him out.</div></div>
The people posting Vegas retains 3.5 aren’t understanding what’s being reported. It’s the “middle man” team that retains the cash. But to get rid of Fluery ( whole cap) is going to cost at least a first and it would be worth it to Vegas.
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 7, 2020 at 11:47 p.m.
Thread:
Just do it already
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>VGKNation702</b></div><div>Yes I’d rather buy him out then gift someone picks. That’s me personally. If you’re using picks, get assets, don’t give them away....
Vegas also doesn’t participate in the expansion next year</div></div>
I know Vegas isn’t in the Seattle expansion draft. That’s why I said the leverage changes back to Vegas going into the draft. They’ll be able to get players for pennies on the dollar from GMs that don’t want to lose players for nothing.
Example: What Bill Guerin did today. He traded Kunin for Bonino, a 2nd and a 3rd. If Bill is planning on protecting 8 and 1, Kunin is gone for nothing. He got some value, but a very good trade for Nash. Now either Greenway or Soucy is next in line to Seattle. MN can handle losing either. Vegas will be able to take advantage of that type of trade with a lot of GMs next summer. Take the asset loss now with a MAF trade. Keep your contending roster intact for this coming season and recoup the assets next summer.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 7, 2020 at 11:12 p.m.
Thread:
Just do it already
You don’t want to see any more “crazy trades” on CapFriendly, but you’re willing to have your team have real cap hits of 2.58, 3.08, 2.08 and 2.08 for the next 4 years due to a MAF buyout? Just give up the 1st or a top prospect. Don’t subtract several pieces from a very good team. Right now Vegas doesn’t have leverage if they want to improve. That changes going into the Seattle expansion draft. Make it up then.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
Oct. 2, 2020 at 6:10 p.m.
Thread:
Soucy confirmed
This deal makes two GMs happy. Billy Guerin and Ron Francis.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:07 p.m.
Thread:
Billys Plan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfrojelin</b></div><div>I don't think the Sharks are looking to trade that pick. The COL 2nd, and then a lower pick or prospect is the most they would go.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RawZuccSauce420</b></div><div>Our 2nd rounder is not one we're giving up in a Dubnyk + Donato trade unless it involves dumping Jones lol. COL 2nd is the max I'm afraid.</div></div>
Either is fine by me. I just split the difference on what Russo threw out there. Doesn’t change the final goal of the plan, which is to move up to #6.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2020 at 8:40 p.m.
Thread:
Dumba Laine Subban and a bunch of picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>Where did the AZ 1st come from?</div></div>
Three way trade.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 23, 2020 at 3:13 p.m.
Thread:
Something might be cooking in Guerins kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>Maybe you and <a href="/users/BoredWildFan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@BoredWildFan</a> are right, but it seems odd to me to even call them up if you're just going to scratch them, then send them back to Iowa tomorrow, and then call them back up unless there's a trade cooking and they are actually playing.</div></div>
With Kunin and Soucy injured, Billy needed to recall a couple players. He wouldn't be doing his job if he let the team go into the game without a healthy body or two in the pressbox.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 23, 2020 at 2:57 p.m.
Thread:
Something might be cooking in Guerins kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>Yes, I get that, but they are playing tonight and Russo said they wouldn't unless there's something happening...</div></div>
Who reported they were playing tonight? Russo hasn't. He tweeted he won't know the line-up until warm-ups.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 23, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
Thread:
Something might be cooking in Guerins kitchen
That tweet was about Mayhew and Belpedio being sent down to Iowa tomorrow morning to be eligible for AHL playoffs. They'll be recalled again tomorrow afternoon. Basically, he was saying they are "AHL guys to start" the day tomorrow.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Nov. 15, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
Thread:
Team Underrated
Both Konecny and Lindblom should be in the conversation for this team. Both putting up great offensive numbers. They are 4th and 5th among Flyers forwards in TOI (more than Voracek and JVR). Lindblom has always had good play driving numbers and plays all situations. Konecny is becoming the heart and soul of the team. In his first few years, he's changed the course of a number of games on his own.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 13, 2019 at 1:42 p.m.
Thread:
How good was Grigorenko
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>CSKA's coach has played Vey with Kaprizov and Grigorenko, but from what I've seen he was the RW on that line and not the center.</div></div>
Bring the whole damn line over. Can't hurt.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 11, 2019 at 4:20 p.m.
Thread:
Active Wild drafted NHL players
How do you forget Anton Khudobin?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 15, 2019 at 1:21 a.m.
Thread:
SPURGEON DEAL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>Yes, that just means he has been underperforming relative to expectation. But really? That's all you took away from that? He's 35th <em>among all defenseman in the NHL for GF</em> and you're complaining about how his realization is different from expectation? Goals aren't everything when it comes to hockey, especially for defenseman lmao
Edit: His actual goals for pct. gets lowered every time Dubnyk lets in an "unexpected" goal. If Dubnyk stops letting in soft goals, Spurge would climb that list as well.</div></div>
Forum:
NHL Signings
Sep. 6, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
Thread:
Carolina Hurricanes signed Jake Gardiner (4 Years / $4,050,000 AAV)
Two years in Carolina. Two years in Seattle.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 31, 2019 at 6:06 p.m.
Thread:
Sources say Shattenkirk has been bought out
NYR buyout $6.6mil contract. NYR have a cap hit of $6.0mil on same contract in 20-21. Savvy move.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 30, 2019 at 6:21 p.m.
Thread:
Fenton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>That's my worry as well, but holy moly the guy has found a really good NHL player in every single draft. Here's a rundown of the best players he has drafted each year:
2014: Sanheim, Lindblom
2015: Provorov, Konecny
2016: Hart
2017: Patrick, Frost
2018: Farabee
Almost all of those guys went in the 1st round, but that's a pretty insane pool of talent to have. Provorov could be a Norris winner someday, Sanheim looks like a really good #2/#3 defenseman, Lidnblom has shown flashes of top 6 talent, Provorov could be a Norris winner someday, Konecny is definitely a top 6 player maybe even a bonafide 1st liner if he takes another step forward, Hart could be a Vezina winner someday, Patrick was the consensus #2 player after NJD took Hischier and he hasn't lived up to the hype but he does have a ton of talent, the jury is out on Frost and Farabee but both look like potential studs. I'd be so damn happy if we had players like that in our system. Hextall has made pretty solid trades, too. I'd really like if we hired him.</div></div>
Go read some of Charlie O'Connor's articles on The Athletic from last November, when Hextall was fired. He and Owner CL won't be a pair that can work together.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 7:27 p.m.
Thread:
Three Team Trade w COL VGK Gusev
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>I'd move Donato or Greenway for Gusev. Gusev has proven a lot more than those two: he won the MVP award for the KHL, arguably the 2nd best league behind the NHL. What have Donato and Greenway proven? Nothing, sure they put up OK numbers on the Wild but nothing close to an MVP award.</div></div>
I'd move Donato in a heartbeat. I just doubt Fenton would. As for Greenway, yes Gusev is a better player, but I'm not ready to move on from him yet. Bigger guys generally take a longer time to put it all together and we saw glimpses last year of what he could become.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 6:38 p.m.
Thread:
Three Team Trade w COL VGK Gusev
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>I'd LOVE Gusev, but why wouldn't Colorado just trade their 1st for him instead of Zucker? The upside is a lot higher with Gusev (and the downside is a lot lower) and Colorado is in a position to handle the risk. I think I'd just rather trade one of our young forwards for him if we want him.</div></div>
COL could easily trade for him, but it's like you said, it's all about risk. Zucker gives you a minimum of 20 goals on a bad year. We don't know what Gusev brings at the NHL level. He could be Panarin. He could be Nishnuskin (yes, probably somewhere in between). For a team that has a lot of pieces in place, but hasn't won anything, acquiring the known commodity, to me, seems like the way to go. If COL already had a couple of recent banners, then Gusev would definitely be the better option.
As for moving one of our younger players, we know Fenton isn't moving Fiala or Donato. It'd be foolish to move Kunin. That leaves EK and Greenway and I'm not ready to move either of those two for the mystery box. Even if the mystery box has more upside.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 5:53 p.m.
Thread:
Three Team Trade w COL VGK Gusev
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_27</b></div><div>it's not a 3 team trade if you just flip the return from Zucker to Vegas.
& Minnesota is also overpaying quite a bit. As you said, Gusev hasn't played a second in the NHL and you wanna give up a 1st in a deep draft for him? .. That would put Fenton on the hotseat to be fired pretty quick.</div></div>
Do you know how to format a three team trade on this website?
Fenton's previous (reported) trades involving Zucker haven't been all that impressive.
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