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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2020 at 2:46 a.m.
Thread: A toxic trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>Alright, again, that whole comparing him to others in the draft class is all well and good. I’m glad hawks fans are prideful of him being in the NHL. I still see others being even better, but that’s just my opinion and research.

I get that he may be special. He may even hit his ceiling. The athletic definitely loves him. It is crazy to be down on him. In the end, Joe Sakic still ended up byram and newhook, who will only make them even better. I’d be willing to bet newhook will excel a lot under mackinnon. Besides, Dach has to go up against them for the next 15 years. Crazier things have happened, but I’m sure there’s an obvious winner in that scenario for that duration.</div></div>

The correct comparison is Byram to Dach. Willing to be not one team in the lottery had Newhook above Dach or Byram. Newhook, like Debrincat and many others, may shock everyone it's certainly possible. Same with Zegras. Both are great prospects. The odds at the draft favored Dach (Sakic agreed) and still do and the gap has widened quite a bit after the playoffs. Before the playoffs I could at least entertain the idea but after, it's clear Dach has the game to step up big when it comes to big games and that's huge. That's why Toews is not overrated. His regular season he would be off games but playoff time came and he is a beast. Kane too. Dach is showing that at 18 and that's really impressive. He is going to stumble and have tough strings of games as growing pains for the next couple years but he will gain consistency with age and when he's on, he looks really good.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2020 at 2:42 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2020 at 2:10 a.m.
Thread: A toxic trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>Lol, okay, well, I definitely didn’t mean that to be a bias, so that’s my bad I would say.

Sure I wanted byram or turcotte, however, my choice was honestly Trevor zegras, but that was NEVER gonna happen at number 3. If it was him or byram, yea, I’d be happy. As for now, I haven’t really addressed his speed lately, just his shot and hand eye. Keep in mind, I still haven’t even brought up that Suzuki got Calder votes (albeit not many) and Dach got exactly ZERO. Not once in the last month. I get that people hate that I’ll never be a fan of his, but it wouldn’t be the first time someone disliked one of their own.</div></div>

Not once were you talking about Zegras on here prior to the draft, c'mon man. Plenty of posts by you advocating for Byram or Turcotte.

Suzuki got Calder votes when he took 2 years longer to enter the league. Impressive but again, let's compare Dach with 2 more years of development against Suzuki last season and see. Did Zegras or Turcotte get any Calder votes; oh wait that's right they will take a couple years like Suzuki :)
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2020 at 1:44 a.m.
Thread: A toxic trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>With fairness to Suzuki, he did actually get what, 18-20 points more, and with worse players in his rookie year. Dach went 28 of 29 games without a point. He definitely looked better in the playoffs, and sure he did help contain the MVP. However, he did contain an MVP on an awful team, and then Vegas happened.

I’m not Suzuki is leaps and bounds better, but I’ll give respect to another team’s top notch get. Amazing how well that Vegas trade worked for them.</div></div>

Dach had 23 in 64, Suzuki had 41 in 71. In fairness to Dach, he played 2 minutes less a night. Dach missed all of preseason and training camp. Dach had 3 points on the powerplay, Suzuki had 14. Suzuki is also two years farther along in his development. Again, both great players. I think they’ll both be great NHLers. But I don’t think it’s all that crazy to think Dach will be better.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2020 at 1:34 a.m.
Thread: A toxic trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Kotkaniemi played at 18 yo doesn't mean he was better than Suzuki
Suzuki did ****ing well at 19yo we can't complain about is 19 yo season
He started the year playing on the 4th line with Cousins/Weal/Thompson and manage to end the year being the #1 center and was our best forward by far in these playoffs.
Manage to put 41 points despite playing 4th line minutes at the beginning in Claude Julien system ( which is something lol )

But I didn't watch enough of Dach, only highlights ( regular season only ) and his goal looks like garbage goals / huge rebound with an empty net ( good thing he's driving the net I'm not roasting him at ALL )
Again he was super young and making the team at 18 is always something</div></div>

Suzki at the age of 19 was in the OHL (Suzuki turned 21 in August) when he was 18 was his big season in the OHL, versus comparing Dach at the age of 18 in the NHL.

I watched Suzuki in the playoffs and he was great, so was Dach in the playoffs especially against Edmonton often matching up on Leon D.

I like Suzuki and he will continue to develop and be a great player but there is reason analysts love Dach's future and guys like Pronman ranking Dach ahead of Suzuki despite the age gap.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2020 at 1:29 a.m.
Thread: A toxic trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>How does that establish bias? What’s incorrect about that statement? Hawks fans adore Dach and MTL fans adore Suzuki. That’s pretty clear isnt it?

I didn’t miss my draft report either, I was just the 11th man who had to disagree. It was just coincidence that I genuinely wasn’t a fan.</div></div>

"Hawks fans adore Dach and MTL fans adore Suzuki" that is non bias! "Hawks fans have a woody for Dach and MTL loves Suzuki" that is bias

You did, because you weren't a fan and wish the Hawks drafted Turcotte and Byram (you were, and up until the playoffs, were very vocal about it here), and still call out things about Dach from his predraft card that aren't accurate such as speed and lack of skating...that simply isn't true and he's proven that. Furthermore, Pronman from The Athletic on his best players/prospect under 23 years old has Dach as #16, Suzuki at #27, Byram at #31, and tanked on Turcotte at #89; there are very good reasons for his rankings not to mention he's obviously very well respected as a analyst and writer around the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2020 at 8:22 p.m.
Thread: Patty Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>I think the problem with Kane is that no one is willing to give up the assets for a fair trade. Like realistically if Kane is being traded with 50% retention and a cap dump is coming back, he should bring back an absolute haul. 50% retention is a lot for someone of his caliber who is arguably outperforming his contract already.

A lot of people on here don't see the value in Kane and that derives from most of them not actually watching him play and just seeing his age. It doesn't matter what his workout routine is or how dedicated he is or whether his game is mental or physical. Hawks fans see another St Louis career which is completely reasonable considering Kane has gotten much better after the "traditional prime years". It really would be unfair for any team to trade what some are proposing for a 31+ career of St Louis'.

Honestly, I don't mind either way because if we trade him it helps us rebuild so that we can resign him after his contract is over. Also giving me a little playoff excitement haha. And I'm totally ok with no trading him.

At the end of the day, people can bring up age but his numbers don't lie and getting that sort of production at ~5M is absurd.</div></div>

It’s the whole “well what has he done recently?” Bug... just because there’s no cup the last few years they think he is irrelevant to hockey. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Montreal has never had an elite forward, they rely on the 6 guys making 5-6M. This deal would be perfect for both sides. CHI fast tracks the rebuild. Montreal makes it deep in playoffs and likely wins a cup in those 3 years before their franchise G retires. Yes, it’s a lot to lose but in 94 the rangers gave up Doug Weight and Tony Amonte to raise a cup. Dallas moves Iginla to win..
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2020 at 6:13 p.m.
Thread: Patty Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>I think the problem with Kane is that no one is willing to give up the assets for a fair trade. Like realistically if Kane is being traded with 50% retention and a cap dump is coming back, he should bring back an absolute haul. 50% retention is a lot for someone of his caliber who is arguably outperforming his contract already.

A lot of people on here don't see the value in Kane and that derives from most of them not actually watching him play and just seeing his age. It doesn't matter what his workout routine is or how dedicated he is or whether his game is mental or physical. Hawks fans see another St Louis career which is completely reasonable considering Kane has gotten much better after the "traditional prime years". It really would be unfair for any team to trade what some are proposing for a 31+ career of St Louis'.

Honestly, I don't mind either way because if we trade him it helps us rebuild so that we can resign him after his contract is over. Also giving me a little playoff excitement haha. And I'm totally ok with no trading him.

At the end of the day, people can bring up age but his numbers don't lie and getting that sort of production at ~5M is absurd.</div></div>

A lot of people on here don't have a clue honestly. They overvalue draft picks, and don't understand the value to wining a cup and just how much revenue that brings a team. A team truly competing, MTL is not and Kane would never waive to go there, would be all over a Kane trade IF he was available.

Kane has more hardware to his name then most teams do on their entire roster combined.