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Bringer_Of_Snow
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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 18, 2022 at 12:15 p.m.
Thread: Trying to figure it out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Gotta say thanks for adding that about Barrie absolutely 100% agree with it and find it a real shame how much abuse he gets on this site. Also respect the fact he turned down bigger money to come here in the first place just to have an incredible season then resign for less than he was offered before coming here. Fans should respect that type of stuff it’s not often it happens for Edmonton.</div></div>

I will defend Barrie to bitter end hahaha.

This franchise was dying for a RHD puck mover for the last decade. Barrie is exactly that and literally lead the league in points by a dman. This season when we lost Larsson, Tipp was playing him 25 mins a night with Nurse… he was without a doubt out of his Element there. The most common criticism from fans is that with the “emergence of Bouchard”, he no longer has value. That is straight up stupid. Is there a rule saying you can’t have more than 1 puck mover on your blue line? What happens when one of them gets hurt? Playing Russell in the top 4 is currently the fix for that haha. It’s even more ridiculous when you saw how poorly Bouchard played defensively when he was given the top Pairing minutes with Nurse. Woodcroft moving Ceci into that top role, while dialling back Barrie and Bouchards minute made a huge improvement. No doubt Ceci isn’t a top pairing dman, but given his simple style of defensive play, he handles those minutes a whole lot better than the other two. And just as you pointed out, he took less money to stay. 3 years at $4.5M is not even close to an overpay for what he brings. Nice to see someone else here who’s got his back haha
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 18, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
Thread: Trying to figure it out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nqutilus</b></div><div>Well, then you're not getting Hagel. There have been offers for him of a 1st and a top prospect that have been turned down by Davidson due to his gritty play and AMAZING cap hit. He alone would get one of Holloway or Broberg and a 1st if Edmonton were to get him.</div></div>

He’s not getting a 1st and top prospect like Holloway. Don’t be ridiculous.
I’ve heard that teams have offered a 1st already. Where have you heard a 1st and top prospect? But you need to understand a team like Tampa/Florida offering a 1st is in the 25-32 range.
A 1st from the oilers is in he 15-25 range. Adding a top prospect on top of that is pushing it.
Hagel has played less than 100 games. Do you really think he’s worth a Holloway level prospect more than Toffoli (who is a consistent producer, Stanley cup champ, also on a good deal with term)?
Again, I think Hagel is a great player with a 1st from a cup competing team. Once you start adding A+ prospects it just becomes unrealistic
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 18, 2022 at 12:00 p.m.
Thread: Trying to figure it out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nqutilus</b></div><div>Fleury and Hagel together (assuming retention on Fleury) would cost around three 1st round picks worth of assets. Add a second on there considering you'll probably need us to take salary back.

Probably would look something like this:

:blackhawks

Brandon Hagel
Marc-Andre Fleury ($3,500,000 retained)
(Some random minor league player to even-out the contracts)
Oilers 2022 3rd Round Pick (we'd remove the conditions on the Keith trade, as well)

:oilers

Philip Broberg
Dylan Holloway
Kyle Turris
Mikko Koskinen
Oilers 2022 1st Round Pick
Oilers 2023 2nd Round Pick
Oilers 2023 3rd Round Pick</div></div>

Oh boy….

I don’t disagree that Fleury and Hagel would get a 1st rounder each… but both Holloway and Broberg are worth way more than a mid 1st round pick given where they are in their development. Then you add another 1st and a 2nd? This is objectively overvaluing those guys.

Value aside, Fleury doesn’t make any sense for the oilers to target. He’s 37 and with Smith and Skinner still starting games, he’s going to start like 10-15 games before he’s a UFA. He isn’t a solution to the oilers goalie problems. And this point in his career, he’s either looking for a place to chase a ring or settle with his family. Edmonton is not the place. We haven’t won a playoff game since 2017. Given that he has a say of where he wants to go, I really hope these proposals to Edmonton just stop. If you think about the deal for 1 second from both the oilers and from Fleurys perspective, you’ll see it makes no sense at all.

Hagel to the oilers would be nice and he’s considered this years Coleman/Goodrow type player. With his output this year, he’s worth a 1st.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 18, 2022 at 11:50 a.m.
Thread: Trying to figure it out
As much as I hated the Ceci deal when signed, he has been good with the oilers. He’s the only defensive minded RHD we have. Still a little ridiculous he got 4 years, but don’t see him going anywhere.

Whether Keith plays or not is entirely up to him. Ideally he retires, giving the oilers more cap space, then we just give him an office “scouting” job. But given the pedigree of his career, he may stick around. He plays pretty scared, always avoiding physical contact, but not really up the oilers if he retires or not. He for sure won’t be traded anywhere as he had control of that too.

Both Fleury and Hagel are going to cost a lot and doesn’t make sense for the oilers to target. Fleury is a UFA and is 37,… on any given night, Smith/Skinner could play better. Are you really interested in paying a 1st for like 10-15 starts out of him?

Same goes for Chiarot. Going to get a 1st, doesn’t make sense for the oilers to overpay for rentals.

Parayko with his new deal would be a dream. No reason for Blues to ever entertain moving him.

With Barries deal just signed and how he seems to be great friends with the core, I don’t see him getting moved. He is a great puck mover and the emergence of Bouchard doesn’t mean you just dump him. He has looked great with his reduced minutes and Woody so I expect him to stick around.

Kane’s off-season will be very interesting. From how he’s played so far, oilers should absolutely want to bring him back. But anything more than a 2 year deal at like $4M AAV would make me very nervous. I think it all comes down to if he tries to maximize his money. I could see a team maybe giving him 3 years closer to $5-6M. It would be dumb, but if a team offers that he’d probably take it. It’s a very weird situation, because he’s clearly playing like a top 6 winger, but no doubt his history will limit any contract offers.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 10, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
Thread: Ranking based on this year
Nurse is not a A. He has looked noticeably worse than last season. I’d say he has been disappointing.

Bouchard is absolutely not an A. He’s definitely given more responsibility and minutes than he should have been. But he is consistently out muscled and out battled. 2/3 games he’s directly responsible for a goal. He’s an incredible puck mover, but hasn’t shown any compete level in his own zone without the puck.

Puljujarvi deserves a B at least. He looked great the first few months. His last month has been abysmal haha. He literally has 2 assists and no goals in 2022. Like that’s really bad. But they also have new lines every other day so who knows.

I would also probably bump McLeod down one. His skating is so good, but he seems like a perimeter player who is scared to take it to the net. For a player who showed some grit in junior, he must lead the league in flybys. It’s very strange watching him fly around in the forecheck and turn away at every chance he has to finish a check. Same goes for every chance he has to take it to the net. Plays a little scared in my opinion. Hopeful he can add some of that into his game though.

Kassian should be in a category of his own… that guy legit hasn’t had an impact on a game since 2017.. the definition of calling it in.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 10, 2022 at 1:23 p.m.
Thread: HMMHMH
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Mike Smith is older and boy did he look great last night against Flowers! :)</div></div>

Not sure what your point is? Move valuable assets because a goalie played great against you?
Smith was incredible last year but Oilers fans rightfully wanted to upgrade going into this season but Holland couldn’t get it done. Now look at your goaltending.

Fleury is very clearly still a strong goalie. But how does it make sense for a struggling team like the oilers to move one of their few valuable assets to get a goalie who has 1 maybe 2 years left of good hockey in him? He’s also a UFA so no guarantee we get more than 15 games out of him. Not exactly sustainable. Skinner shows promising signs, but the oilers don’t exactly have a sure-thing in the pipeline. With limited free agent goalie available, we are way better off trading for a younger goalie even if it costs more
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 10, 2022 at 12:39 p.m.
Thread: Blow it up
Two do the worst trades I’ve ever seen on this site. McDavid and Draisaitl are both top 5 players in this league. Those returns are sooo sooo bad it’s not even funny.
Don’t get a single established player for McDavid.
Then trade Drai for a 35 year old making $10M…

What direction is this team headed haha?
Pretty dangerous to trade both without the conference and one within the division too.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Nurse is not worth his deal and benefited from having a career year the season before becoming a UFA, but you just traded him for a bottom pairing dman with zero offence. Wtf?

Nuge if really effective both sides of the puck and at $5Mish. He’s by no means overpaid and Kakko has not shown anything that’s makes him attractive to move for

All and all this is the worst Oilers blowup roster I’ve seen in a minute